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NCAA Fozen Four: Like this name?

Re: NCAA Fozen Four: Like this name?

Gibber said:
I didn't like it at first (was 99 the first year they used it?), but its definitely grown on me and stuck, and I think its just fine. People as "hey, are you going to the Frozen this year" we know what they're talking about... It's simple and it works as far as I'm concerned...
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What he said...did I say that? I'm not sure I have ever agreed with Gibber. ;) The only difference is in our group we talk about "going to the Four this year" and since bouncyball is irrelevant, we all know what it means.
 
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RedFreak said:
Several years back, the NCAA forbid college hockey from using the name Final Four. They had to come up with a new name and this was it. I think it's kind of ugly, but they had to call it something.
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To the best of my recollection, what was forbidden was the use of Final Four, meaning the version with capital letters. If you wanted to use final four, you were welcome to do so. Also, it wasn't that college hockey was singled out; it was that the capitalized version was reserved for basketball.

I'm not sure if any of the other sports accepted the second class name tag, but I'm glad we didn't. The NCAA edict was petty and insulting to all of the sports affected.

On the bright side, I'd say we took a lemon and made it into lemonade. After years of referring to our tournament as the Hockey Final Four, we made an almost seamless transition to Frozen Four. While I'm not prepared to say that the current name is the best conceivable option, I'm content with it. At this point it's an established name brand. Tinkering with it would be a mistake.

Again to the best of my recollection, the term Frozen Four was coined by Jim Rich. Rich is WCHA-based, and has been involved with a number of college hockey projects, including the Hobey Baker Award.
 
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The Freds said:
What he said...did I say that? I'm not sure I have ever agreed with Gibber. ;) The only difference is in our group we talk about "going to the Four this year" and since bouncyball is irrelevant, we all know what it means.
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And the term around here is "F4" which also goes hand in hand with the "F5" term (WCHA Final Five). That, of course, is the best conference tourney, hands down. ;) :D
 
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Brenthoven said:
And the term around here is "F4" which also goes hand in hand with the "F5" term (WCHA Final Five). That, of course, is the best conference tourney, hands down. ;) :D
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Don't forget that "FFFF" stands for Ford Field Frozen Four.;)

Unless, of course, you'd prefer to forget that our national championship is being decided in a FB stadium this year.:o
 
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pgb-ohio said:
Don't forget that "FFFF" stands for Ford Field Frozen Four.;)

Unless, of course, you'd prefer to forget that our national championship is being decided in a FB stadium this year.:o
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Or course we could refer to the Ford Field Frozen Four as "FFFFF". The fifth "F" is left to your imagination, but if you get it right, it will be asterisked out anyway.:)
 
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I have hated the term Frozen Four since it was forced on Hockey by the NCAA. It always was the hockey Final Four and the basketball Final Four.

I have nothing really against basketball, it is fine sport for young men who are not athletic enough or manly enough for a real sport. I have seen basketball, I actually went to two games back in 1965.

The NCAA wanted revenue from souvenir sales from tne basketball final 4 but could not trademark the name if it could mean anything else but the basketball tournament so the hockey final four had to be renamed.
 
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pgb-ohio said:
To the best of my recollection, what was forbidden was the use of Final Four, meaning the version with capital letters. If you wanted to use final four, you were welcome to do so. Also, it wasn't that college hockey was singled out; it was that the capitalized version was reserved for basketball.

I'm not sure if any of the other sports accepted the second class name tag, but I'm glad we didn't. The NCAA edict was petty and insulting to all of the sports affected.

On the bright side, I'd say we took a lemon and made it into lemonade. After years of referring to our tournament as the Hockey Final Four, we made an almost seamless transition to Frozen Four. While I'm not prepared to say that the current name is the best conceivable option, I'm content with it. At this point it's an established name brand. Tinkering with it would be a mistake.

Again to the best of my recollection, the term Frozen Four was coined by Jim Rich. Rich is WCHA-based, and has been involved with a number of college hockey projects, including the Hobey Baker Award.
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PGB- thnks for your reply. That was informative. Also Veritas, good point re the revenue situation. Thnks to you both.
 
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Brenthoven said:
And the term around here is "F4" which also goes hand in hand with the "F5" term (WCHA Final Five). That, of course, is the best conference tourney, hands down. ;) :D
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You just made people in Oklahoma shudder, not in fear of what is the WCHA, but referring to what they commonly know as "the finger of God." ;)
 
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I believe ESPN's Chris Berman was first to use the phrase "Frozen Four". It started as one of his silly nicknames (like Bert 'be home by 11' Blyleven), and it just stuck. I suppose it's as good as any other name.
 
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Freddie said:
I believe ESPN's Chris Berman was first to use the phrase "Frozen Four". It started as one of his silly nicknames (like Bert 'be home by 11' Blyleven), and it just stuck. I suppose it's as good as any other name.
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Really? :eek: :eek:
 
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Freddie said:
I believe ESPN's Chris Berman was first to use the phrase "Frozen Four". It started as one of his silly nicknames (like Bert 'be home by 11' Blyleven), and it just stuck. I suppose it's as good as any other name.
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Berman is awesome (my USCHO poster name was inspired by him, after all) but I really don't think Berman coined the phrase. I think the College Hockey USA Hockey -L entry in 1994 cited in this thread post 36 seems more definitive. Someone should ask Jim Rich about it- he was the host of College Hockey USA.
 
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pgb-ohio said:
To the best of my recollection, what was forbidden was the use of Final Four, meaning the version with capital letters. If you wanted to use final four, you were welcome to do so. Also, it wasn't that college hockey was singled out; it was that the capitalized version was reserved for basketball.
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I remember at the time the suggestion of using "final four" (lower case), but I remember it being said derisively. Essentially a joke meant to ridicule the NCAA pooh-bahs.
 
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Veritas said:
I have nothing really against basketball, it is fine sport for young men who are not athletic enough or manly enough for a real sport. I have seen basketball, I actually went to two games back in 1965.
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As a huge hockey fan and one who has played both hockey and basketball, this is possibly the stupidest thing anyone has ever said on these boards.
 
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