Re: NCAA Chatham Univ Infractions Report
Because they deserve it far more than Chatham does.
Because they deserve it far more than Chatham does.
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NCAA Chatham Univ Infractions Report
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Re: NCAA Chatham Univ Infractions Report
This is the same logic that went down against the Men's DIII programs at Buffalo State and Genesseo. A Canadian grant program that was disproportionately used by hockey players. it doesn't matter how it is offered, if there is a significant difference between the utilization rate of the program between athletes and non-athletes, you're stuck.
This is the same logic that went down against the Men's DIII programs at Buffalo State and Genesseo. A Canadian grant program that was disproportionately used by hockey players. it doesn't matter how it is offered, if there is a significant difference between the utilization rate of the program between athletes and non-athletes, you're stuck.
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Re: NCAA Chatham Univ Infractions Report
I suspect that some schools with multiple programs and a larger student body have a much easier time "smearing out" the "International Content Disproportion" rule. Some program might also understand/ and/or apply the rules better and therefore ensure that they do not get caught with the wrong set of numbers.
A well prepared recruiting/admin staff would be up on the rules and ensure they circumvent violations.
I suspect that schools like Elmira, who have run programs for a long time, know how to stay within the guidelines of the rules.
I suspect that some schools with multiple programs and a larger student body have a much easier time "smearing out" the "International Content Disproportion" rule. Some program might also understand/ and/or apply the rules better and therefore ensure that they do not get caught with the wrong set of numbers.
A well prepared recruiting/admin staff would be up on the rules and ensure they circumvent violations.
I suspect that schools like Elmira, who have run programs for a long time, know how to stay within the guidelines of the rules.
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Re: NCAA Chatham Univ Infractions Report
or they pull in more international students than just canadian hockey players. It seems that Chatham put the discount in hoping to attract canadian students, not to help out hockey players, but the hockey players were the only ones that used the program.
or they pull in more international students than just canadian hockey players. It seems that Chatham put the discount in hoping to attract canadian students, not to help out hockey players, but the hockey players were the only ones that used the program.
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Re: NCAA Chatham Univ Infractions Report
Disagree. If you read the articles in the links posted earlier in this thread it was quite clear that the intent was to attract Canadian Student athletes. Only the hockey program got into trouble on account of the percentages.
Disagree. If you read the articles in the links posted earlier in this thread it was quite clear that the intent was to attract Canadian Student athletes. Only the hockey program got into trouble on account of the percentages.
Re: NCAA Chatham Univ Infractions Report
If disproportionately more athletes take advantage of a program like this, the hammer falls on all programs that are disproportionately represented. If only 30% of student body are athletes, but 90% of the people on the scholarship program are athletes, you have a problem. The standard is that the financial aid packages of athletes and non-athletes should be indistinguishable. You shouldn't be able to improve your ability to predict if a student is or is not an athlete by looking at their financial aid portfolio. In this case, if you see "Canadian grant" the probability that the student is an athlete is much higher than if you didn't see such a grant. This methodology is designed to prevent schools from instituting programs that are nominally for everyone, but for which only athletes would qualify.
If disproportionately more athletes take advantage of a program like this, the hammer falls on all programs that are disproportionately represented. If only 30% of student body are athletes, but 90% of the people on the scholarship program are athletes, you have a problem. The standard is that the financial aid packages of athletes and non-athletes should be indistinguishable. You shouldn't be able to improve your ability to predict if a student is or is not an athlete by looking at their financial aid portfolio. In this case, if you see "Canadian grant" the probability that the student is an athlete is much higher than if you didn't see such a grant. This methodology is designed to prevent schools from instituting programs that are nominally for everyone, but for which only athletes would qualify.
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Re: NCAA Chatham Univ Infractions Report
The program was designed to attract Canadians according to this...later on it said that the athletes were basically the only wants that took advantage of it.
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The institution began awarding Canadian student discounts in the 2004-05 academic year to citizens of Canada who began a program of full-time studies during a fall semester. Initially, the discount was 25 percent off the standard tuition rate, but the discount was later changed to an award of up to $5,000 to account for fluctuations in currency exchange rates. The award was created in the hope that, because of the institution's proximity to the Canadian border, more international students would enroll.The program was designed to attract Canadians according to this...later on it said that the athletes were basically the only wants that took advantage of it.
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Nate LePage, Siena '13
Re: NCAA Chatham Univ Infractions Report
As has been said by NUProf, this is the same problem that got Geneseo and Buffalo State in trouble. The NCAA has acknowledged that there was no intent to use this for athletic purposes, but the result was still the same. The Hockey coach simply did his job and used the tools at his disposal, provided by the school, to recruit hockey players. The intent was to attract Canadian Students, but it was also a useful tool for the hockey program and so they used it.
The real fault here is in the admissions department not actively enough using the grant to recruit (in a sense of the word) non-athletes. When the athletics dept. is the only one actively using this grant as a recruiting tool, of course most of those benefiting from the grant are going to be athletes! Thus, the hockey team suffers as a result of the short-sightedness of the financial aid and admissions departments.
As has been said by NUProf, this is the same problem that got Geneseo and Buffalo State in trouble. The NCAA has acknowledged that there was no intent to use this for athletic purposes, but the result was still the same. The Hockey coach simply did his job and used the tools at his disposal, provided by the school, to recruit hockey players. The intent was to attract Canadian Students, but it was also a useful tool for the hockey program and so they used it.
The real fault here is in the admissions department not actively enough using the grant to recruit (in a sense of the word) non-athletes. When the athletics dept. is the only one actively using this grant as a recruiting tool, of course most of those benefiting from the grant are going to be athletes! Thus, the hockey team suffers as a result of the short-sightedness of the financial aid and admissions departments.
gojackets
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Re: NCAA Chatham Univ Infractions Report
It makes you wonder if they weren't canada specific with it, if it would make a difference. Do those schools pull in students from other countries as well?
It makes you wonder if they weren't canada specific with it, if it would make a difference. Do those schools pull in students from other countries as well?
CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
Nate LePage, Siena '13
Re: NCAA Chatham Univ Infractions Report
I know that schools like Plattsburgh, Oswego, and probably more than a few others have "International Grants" that go to any non-US resident enrolling at the school. And these schols seem pretty successful at keeping within the rules with this setup. Interestingly, last time I checked the "financial aid predictor" at Plattsburgh, it was $2,500 for most, and a full $5,000 for Canadians and Cubans (one would think they should have one helluva baseball team
). Perhaps this is the ideal way to do it, then? 
I know that schools like Plattsburgh, Oswego, and probably more than a few others have "International Grants" that go to any non-US resident enrolling at the school. And these schols seem pretty successful at keeping within the rules with this setup. Interestingly, last time I checked the "financial aid predictor" at Plattsburgh, it was $2,500 for most, and a full $5,000 for Canadians and Cubans (one would think they should have one helluva baseball team
). Perhaps this is the ideal way to do it, then?