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NBC/Versus deal with College Hockey

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Are you trying to convince us or yourself? Because you just keep repeating yourself over and over (and over) again. We get it; you like Minnesota hockey and does everyone else in Minnesota allegedly. What does that have to do with this thread?

The vast majority of the country couldn't tell you who plays the sport, let alone who is good or has the most history. The NBC deal is aimed at appealing to as many new markets as possible; not to reward one rabid fan base in a niche market. As such, the alignment with notre dame makes The most sense like it or not

Neither. I am just sick of all the conjecture surrounding the realignments and the NBC TV deal and am voicing my opinion because it's a slow Thursday and I'm bored. This is my take on the whole situation, am I not entitled to an opinion?

And as I mentioned, I don't think a vast majority of this country will care about college hockey with or without a TV deal, and that local ratings in those "rabid" markets will still be greater than the ratings on the national broadcasts IMO. Not to mention, with the BTN, some of the teams in those "rabid" markets will also have national exposure. Not that it matters because some of the teams in those "rabid" markets have been able to build national followings even without the national exposure.
 
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It was written by a Boston College fan for the Boston College newspaper. It is just one of MANY, MANY, MANY examples of people from outside Minnesota who fall in love with Gopher Hockey because of the history and tradition.

Like I said, I bump into TONS of fans at games who aren't from Minnesota and aren't Gopher fans. Minnesota has THE largest hockey fanbase in this country and that won't change IMO. The NBC deal is great for college hockey in general, but those who think it will start a shift in the balance of power are simply delusional.

Mariucci isn't nicknamed "Mecca" for no reason :)
I've been involved with college hockey for two decades and had no idea Mariucci was called "Mecca" (I think that's an old basketball court in Milwaukee).

And he is a fan of college hockey at another school, not a fan of the Goofers. Or are you going to try to tell us that anyone who likes college hockey is de facto a fan of the Goofers?
 
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Minnesota has zero national cache among college sports fans. Zero. And since college hockey has about a tenth of the followers of college basketball and perhaps 1/1000th that of football, where do you think that leaves Gopher hockey in California, Pennsylvania, Indiana, or anywhere else? As for LOCAL ratings, yes, no college hockey will outdraw Minnesota games on FOX Sports North IN MINNESOTA. But once you get outside of your team's home region, NOONE is watching you.

Funny that you mention that. In the 2001-2002 season Maine vs. Minnesota championship game and the 2001-2002 Michigan vs. Minnesota semi final game are the two heights rated college hockey games of all time.
 
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Notre Dame doesn't, and never has, produced a vast majority of it's talent within state. The closest thing I can think of to Minnesota Hockey is Texas Football, and IMO that doesn't even really compare.

I am heavily invested in Minnesota Youth hockey, and I can assure you that you WILL lose recruits from Minnesota because of your move East. You'll still get some, but not as many.

I think Texas football (along with Ohio State or Penn State football) compares pretty closely to Minnesota hockey. But that doesn't mean any of those three schools have monopolized football recruiting to the point they are the only teams that matter to the sport. And it isn't any big surprise that Notre Dame doesn't draw a lot of recruits from within the state. We have one on the roster right now. Hockey isn't widely played in Indiana. This alone doesn't tend to mean much. The last time I checked, 18,000 people still pile into the RBC Center in North Carolina to watch NHL hockey every time the Hurricanes play. And they've seen the Stanley Cup won by their team. The only time hockey mad Minnesota has seen the Cup raised in triumph, it was being done by the Pittsburgh Penguins or the New York Islanders. Yet I hardly think that takes anything away from how much hockey means in Minnesota.
 
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Funny that you mention that. In the 2001-2002 season Maine vs. Minnesota championship game and the 2001-2002 Michigan vs. Minnesota semi final game are the two heights rated college hockey games of all time.

Source please? I don't know if this is correct because my memory says it was the 2008 semi final between UM and ND. I won't state definitively because I cannot back up by citing a source, and you may be correct. I remind you it is all still relative, because highest rated amongst a bunch of stuff that hardly anyone watches still equals low ratings.
 
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BTW - I hope your move to Hockey East helps your recruiting efforts out there, because I can assure you it will cool your recruiting efforts in the Midwest. You just got Mario Lucia, but he is a legacy (and I heard even he wasn't thrilled with the move to HE). Say goodbye to getting as many Anders Lee's, Steven Fogarty's, ect... from Minnesota.

I agree. I also will add the BHHC lost the Mpls/St. Paul recruiting market, they basically lost kids who might watch a UND or DU and decide to attend there.
 
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Source please? I don't know if this is correct because my memory says it was the 2008 semi final between UM and ND. I won't state definitively because I cannot back up by citing a source, and you may be correct. I remind you it is all still relative, because highest rated amongst a bunch of stuff that hardly anyone watches still equals low ratings.

It has been many years so I unfortunately don't have a source from ESPN. Back in 2002 Minnesota did well with viewers because it had been 20 plus years since they were in the national championship game and many of felt this was finally the best Gopher team in years. Most of us secretly knew this was a championship team.
 
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Sure I have. And I was talking about national interest in the sport, but clearly that point flew clear over your head.

How has national interest not changed when we go from 4 teams in 1 location to 16 in five? Or no TV at all to nationwide TV for the entire tournament?
 
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Funny that you mention that. In the 2001-2002 season Maine vs. Minnesota championship game and the 2001-2002 Michigan vs. Minnesota semi final game are the two heights rated college hockey games of all time.

That's like bragging that Bradbury Mountain is the tallest around, when you're on the coast of Maine where everything is flat, so a hill a few hundred feet high seems huge. Compare it with Mt. Washington or the Rockies, and it seems awfully small. That the games in Minnesota are the highest rated games of all time is little more than a blip on the Nielsen's. And what did those games generate for ratings OUTSIDE Minnesota, Maine and Michigan? Probably just as small as all the other games...
 
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How has national interest not changed when we go from 4 teams in 1 location to 16 in five? Or no TV at all to nationwide TV for the entire tournament?

I'll handle this one for him. People tune in thinking Minnesota is playing an intra-squad game. That's the only reason the tournament expanded. People thought the Gophers would be able to play themselves in games. Once the people realize at least one of teams is not the Gophers though they flip the channel to PBS and Sewing with Nancy before throwing their TV away and burning down their house in a tribute to the Mecca of college hockey.
 
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That's like bragging that Bradbury Mountain is the tallest around, when you're on the coast of Maine where everything is flat, so a hill a few hundred feet high seems huge. Compare it with Mt. Washington or the Rockies, and it seems awfully small. That the games in Minnesota are the highest rated games of all time is little more than a blip on the Nielsen's. And what did those games generate for ratings OUTSIDE Minnesota, Maine and Michigan? Probably just as small as all the other games...

Again, you are completely missing the point.
 
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In size maybe, but not in culture.

Minnesota piles in 18,000+ fans to watch high school hockey games.
Yeah, cause packing Cowboys Stadium for a high school football game doesn't even compare with drawing 18k for a hockey game in MN. Sure.
 
Yeah, cause packing Cowboys Stadium for a high school football game doesn't even compare with drawing 18k for a hockey game in MN. Sure.

Did I say it didn't? I said packing 18,000 fans into an arena to watch an NHL game in Carolina doesn't mean crap because we pack in that many fans to watch high school games. So easy turbo.
 
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Time to answer the question: What’s better Minnesota hockey, Texas football or Indiana basketball?

In Indiana, I was news reporter that got to cover games over two years but it was not to extent that I’ve covered football and hockey. Still, Indiana has a great tradition but it has soured because basketball like all sports went to a class system. There are still people there who feel that a class system ruined the game and that’s why some schools have seen an attendance hit. The class system has been in place for years but if anyone reading this works in Indiana or knows someone who does, tell them this. If they ever want to win an easy first-place award for sports writing, have them do something on the class system and its unpopularity. The story is overdone but people still want to know if it will ever go back.

Nine of the nation’s ten largest high-school gyms are in Indiana and I lived in a town that had one of them. Basketball is a big deal there, but if this was 15 years ago, Indiana would be relevant in this conversation. Guys I know, Indiana natives, can tell stories about state title games until the last 10 years because it lost its luster.

That leaves us with Texas football or Minnesota hockey.

It is hard because the state hockey tournament this week has been amazing and I’ve seen stuff here I never saw in Texas. Here, there are people scalping for tickets for a tournament. Never saw that in Texas. Just got back from the Let’s Play Hockey expo where its like a rave/concert that features hockey equipment. Don’t have that in Texas.

But here’s what Texas football does have. It has passion. People there are so into football, it is talked about year round. Where I lived in Texas, there are fans that got so upset that there wasn’t enough, they started a web-based fan forum that debates everything from best program, which kid will play at QB for the upcoming season and if a coach should be fired.

And depending on the community, the stadiums are work of art. There’s a school, Port Neches-Groves, that has a stadium that holds 17,000 people. It has a double-decker press box with a jumbotron and field turf. This is the kind of fanbase that camps out for season tickets days before they go on sell.

Then the recruiting. If anyone has ever seen the ESPN 30-for-30 series on SMU titled, “Pony Exce$$” there’s truths in that. For example, people today still talk about the Trans A&M, the gold Trans AM Eric Dickerson allegedly got from Texas A&M. People tell stories of the green handshake where a booster comes by, shakes their hand and then there’s a $50 in their palm. Yeah, it was like that.

Then there’s Minnesota hockey. People here are freaking nuts when it comes to hockey. It might not have the pageantry of Texas high school football, but it **** sure has the fans. There is a reason that this most watched high school championships in America. If this is even a stat of note, know this. I went up 55 Twitter followers in two days because of this tournament. Not all of them are from Minnesota either. Hockey fans, including the guys at places like The Hockey News, want to know what’s going on.

Some of those football coaches in Texas were even like, “Wow” when I told them I was moving up here to cover hockey.

Having covered championships in both states, I can say this. A Texas HS football championship is impressive. Two years in a row, I covered this small town that had its fans show up to every game. They lost the state title games both years yet it was still a good time. Keep this mind, not all title games in Texas, at least when I was there, were televised.

Here, however, they are and in Texas, I never heard about families scheduling vacations around the state title game(s) like they do here in Minnesota.

Finally, there’s the talent. Football is a rough game. Hockey is rougher. The talent in Texas I got a chance to see was impressive. The talent I’ve seen with hockey has been more impressive. You don’t see the kind of scouts at a Texas championship like you would at a Minnesota state hockey tournament.

That being said, I give the nod to Minnesota High School hockey.

Indiana, yes, has the tradition. Texas, yes, has the grandiose presentation and tradition. But know this, Minnesota is the only place where it has the tradition, presentation and a feel that makes it intimate that everyone truly feels they have a stake in how things go.

I’ll be back later to post some more stuff throughout the day. Take care and enjoy semifinal Friday everybody.
 
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I agree. I also will add the BHHC lost the Mpls/St. Paul recruiting market, they basically lost kids who might watch a UND or DU and decide to attend there.

DU has 1 player from Minnesota and that is John Lee from Moorhead. They have no one from the twin Cities area. Historically, the players that have gone to DU from Minnesota have been from the Iron Range although DU has had a sprinkling from the Twin Cities area. I don't think DU not being playing in the Twin Cities 2 years from now will have any effect on their recruiting. They will still be making trips to St. Cloud and Duluth so they won't be totally invisible in the state.
 
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DU has 1 player from Minnesota and that is John Lee from Moorhead. They have no one from the twin Cities area. Historically, the players that have gone to DU from Minnesota have been from the Iron Range although DU has had a sprinkling from the Twin Cities area. I don't think DU not being playing in the Twin Cities 2 years from now will have any effect on their recruiting. They will still be making trips to St. Cloud and Duluth so they won't be totally invisible in the state.

I think it will effect their recruiting in MN, but not as much as Notre Dame's move will effect their recruiting in MN IMO.
 
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Again, you are completely missing the point.

No, the point you were trying to make is that Minnesota has a strong national following. It doesn't. People in Minnesota may be rabid for the game and the school, but the average sports fan - even hockey fan - in California, Florida or New York couldn't care less about the Goofers.
 
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