Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

[MaizeRage]

Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

either way

Unfair. When I write that the phony electoral college made a laughingstock out of our nation because the loser won, my spelling is much better.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

Does that really work? Huh.

The easiest way for a website to keep track of your activity on it is through cookies. If they use that method, they will simply put cookies on your PC keeping track of how many articles you open. Erase that cookie, and the count starts over.

Another way is simply to open a different browser. If you are using IE and hit your article limit, open Firefox or Chrome or Opera and start again with another five articles. Or go to an entirely different computer/tablet.

All these methods work for my local paper which limits you to 10 articles.

(They could track your count through your IP address, but that has its problems, mainly if you are accessing the web through your company. A lot of companies issue one IP address once you leave the company firewall and go to the outside. Obviously, the five article limit would be hit really quick before you even get a chance to look at an article.)

 

[goldy_331]

So have any of the "celebs" who threatened to leave actually left the country yet? Or do they wait for the inauguration? I would think they'd want to move fast to get the best spot before they fill up.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

It is really a sad commentary on our times that the people who were most vocal in insisting that everyone accept the results of the election are now the same people out rioting because they don't like the results of the election.

How many of those protestors actually voted? Seriously...

(When I read that Colin Kaepernick never voted, I was like, are you serious?! Although I wasn't completely keen on his protests or methods, I was okay with it and did respect it. I uphold the first amendment as America's gift to the entire world, so I get very upset over people's reaction to his protests, and believe they should never be shouted down. However, I also uphold the peaceful transition of power through voting as an even greater gift to the world. So, when I found out he never voted, as far as I care, he and his protests are dead to me.)

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

I am a bit surprised about the reaction. I even saw a post saying the democrats should try to get the electoral college electors to change their votes to Clinton. Yeah, because that wouldn't cause CWII...

If the Electoral College worked the way it was originally intended to when the Founding Fathers set it up, they could do this. And very likely might of.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

The best analogy I can come up with is this is like an emotionally labile, moody teenager with the usual load of drama, angst and self absorption throwing a nutty every once in awhile. Problem is if this were true there would be a parent straightening them out and threatening consequence. Instead the kid has control.

I can't wrap my brain around it. Someone needs to take the dudes phone away

His father played that role, especially in bailing him out financially every time a business deal went sour.

But, his father is dead and he wouldn't have enough money anyway to bail out his mistakes now...

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

So have any of the "celebs" who threatened to leave actually left the country yet? Or do they wait for the inauguration? I would think they'd want to move fast to get the best spot before they fill up.

Cher said she is going to move to Jupiter. LOL

 

[rufus]

Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

If you want to be reassured about the prospects of a Trump presidency, check out Scott Adams' blog. He has been uncannily accurate the past year. http://blog.dilbert.com/ I'm just quoting the most recent post, but if you've been following him for awhile, you'd have a much better sense of how spot-on target his insights have been.




The things people are saying about Trump now are not all that different than what people were saying about Reagan in 1980. As I recall, everything turned out okay in the end. People won't go to war with you if they are afraid you will win. I expect the world will be more peaceful with a strong decisive leader than a weak vacillating one.

Sure. He'll tell everybody just what they want to hear, just as he did in the primaries and the general. He won't believe or act on any of it, and just keep doingwhat he wants to do. Tax cuts for the rich, and getting as much as he can for himself out of his current position.

Meanwhile, the rest of us are dicked.

 

[FreshFish]

Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

Apparently Trump can be quite charming in person. His tour of Washington yesterday left Obama in grudging admiration, Paul Ryan was actually giddy, and I've never seen Mitch McConnell with such a beaming smile.

If you set aside what you think you know and merely observe, Trump turns out to be a master at what is called "pacing and leading": first you discern how people like to think and feel, and then you express yourself in ways that makes those people comfortable. Once they feel the resonance, you can then lead them toward where you want to go, bringing them along.

I am feeling fairly optimistic about our prospects. Our inner cities are struggling, and I really do believe Trump will revitalize them. He is a builder by trade and they need to be rebuilt. Democrats will hate this yet be unable to protest, as it will result in expanding minority presence in the Republican party; but for the country, it is really healthy for both parties to compete for voters.

If I were the Democrats, I'd look for ways to reconnect with middle America. They have become the party of the very rich and the very poor while ignoring everyone else as beneath them. You may be smarter and more sophisticated but there is a lot more to human dignity than just cognitive intelligence. Experts tell us that there are seven different kinds of intelligence, not just one.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

... the phony electoral college made a laughingstock out of our nation because the loser won.

I don't necessarily believe there is a correlation that winning the popular vote means if there were no Electoral College, they would have won the Presidency. The reason is, campaigns go in setting up strategy based on the rules of the game.

Let's use hockey as an analogy, since that is why we are all here on these boards. A team built for the regular season (i.e., to win the President's Trophy, i.e., the Washington Capitals) is not necessarily a team built to win in the playoffs (i.e., the Stanley Cup).

Campaigns know that they are not going to win certain states. For instance, the GOP knows they will never win NY, California, or Mass. So, they don't care how much they lose them by since it's a winner take all system within the states. Thus, they don't waste their time campaigning there (other than to perhaps protect down ballot candidates).

Now, if they knew the popular vote was all that mattered, they would campaign in those areas that might swing either way -- like pockets of Upstate NY. Because now how much they lose a state is important.

So, when people go all angst on the popular vote being different than the Electoral College, I'm all meh about it. You have no idea how it would turn out if the campaigns focused only on attracting the popular vote.

 

[FreshFish]

Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

Sure. He'll tell everybody just what they want to hear, just as he did in the primaries and the general. He won't believe or act on any of it, and just keep doing what he wants to do. Tax cuts for the rich, and getting as much as he can for himself out of his current position.

Well, here is a situation in which we can watch and see what happens. I'd like to place a bet on this prediction, to be determined as of September 30, 2017. You have one point of view, and I have another, and we don't need to argue, we will find out in time.

It seems to me that Trump genuinely loves this country. He didn't need to run for President, he already was quite successful. Did he do it for his own ego? Partly. Did he do it out of a sense of civic duty? Probably. He has done similar things in New York City.

I think he genuinely wants to rebuild our inner cities and lift minority communities out of poverty. I don't think that is hollow rhetoric but an actual commitment to change. You may disagree. We'll find out in 10 months who has a better grasp of the situation.


In 1980 Reagan was crazy dangerous cowboy war-mongerer who'd set the entire world aflame. By 1984 he was a benign uncle who reshaped American destiny. The only military action in 8 years was the invasion of Grenada.

 

[FreshFish]

Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

I don't necessarily believe there is a correlation that winning the popular vote means if there were no Electoral College, they would have won the Presidency. The reason is, campaigns go in setting up strategy based on the rules of the game.

Let's use hockey as an analogy, since that is why we are all here on these boards. A team built for the regular season (i.e., to win the President's Trophy, i.e., the Washington Capitals) is not necessarily a team built to win in the playoffs (i.e., the Stanley Cup).

Campaigns know that they are not going to win certain states. For instance, the GOP knows they will never win NY, California, or Mass. So, they don't care how much they lose them by since it's a winner take all system within the states. Thus, they don't waste their time campaigning there (other than to perhaps protect down ballot candidates).

Now, if they knew the popular vote was all that mattered, they would campaign in those areas that might swing either way -- like pockets of Upstate NY. Because now how much they lose a state is important.

So, when people go all angst on the popular vote being different than the Electoral College, I'm all meh about it. You have no idea how it would turn out if the campaigns focused only on attracting the popular vote.

This seems like a very astute observation to me. Reince Preibus gave an interview in which he described exactly this strategy. He said that they started with a forecast of how many votes they would need to win in each state, and then set about figuring out how to get that many voters in each state on their side.



Also, I like the idea of a President of the United States, not the President of NYILCAMA.*



* or the President of BostonNewYorkCityPhiladelphiaChicagoDenverLosAngelesSanFranciso.

 

[leswp1]

Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

I really wish I could believe he loves this country but, no matter how hard I attempt to, I can't participate in the delusion. Frankly I think he loves power and himself. Not in that order.

Read his 100 day plan last night. Hadn't had time to do that before. Holy sh1t. That was more frightening than all of his sociopathic behaviors and all his crazy adherents* put together. I look at it, think about the implications of what he proposes, see his supporters cheering and wonder if anyone has thought past tomorrow. How can people not look at that and figure out what the consequences will be? You can't thumb your nose at science without consequence. You can't thumb your nose at the world and have them say thank you very much. Hopefully I am more clueless than I think I am.

Have listened to people say they were worried about their children and grandchildren for some time. Never counted myself as one of them. Have joined the party

*commentary on the fringe people he attracted although after reading this I think a lot of people are crazy

 

[rufus]

Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

I think he genuinely wants to rebuild our inner cities and lift minority communities out of poverty. I don't think that is hollow rhetoric but an actual commitment to change. You may disagree. We'll find out in 10 months who has a better grasp of the situation.

Yeah, that's why he wouldn't rent to black people.

 

[MaizeRage]

Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

I don't necessarily believe there is a correlation that winning the popular vote means if there were no Electoral College, they would have won the Presidency. The reason is, campaigns go in setting up strategy based on the rules of the game.

(I agree. I just wanted to make fun of the hypocrisy of his ******* tweets.)

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

(I agree. I just wanted to make fun of the hypocrisy of his ******* tweets.)

Fair enough. LOL

 

[cF[Authentic]]

Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

Read his 100 day plan last night. Hadn't had time to do that before. Holy sh1t. That was more frightening than all of his sociopathic behaviors and all his crazy adherents* put together. I look at it, think about the implications of what he proposes, see his supporters cheering and wonder if anyone has thought past tomorrow. How can people not look at that and figure out what the consequences will be? You can't thumb your nose at science without consequence. You can't thumb your nose at the world and have them say thank you very much. Hopefully I am more clueless than I think I am.

Have listened to people say they were worried about their children and grandchildren for some time. Never counted myself as one of them. Have joined the party

*commentary on the fringe people he attracted although after reading this I think a lot of people are crazy

Not surprisingly, I know that people's bias plays into how they view his 100 day plan. Had a discussion with a friend last night who begrudgingly voted for Trump but saw it as the best option to have a republican congress get some positive things passed. He was surprised by the 100 day plan in how he agreed with so many (note: not all) of Trump's plans. Taken at face value, they seem like good ideas. The tough thing is implementing them in a way that's not going to **** a lot of people off (i.e. Obamacare).

However, as you have shown... people who are already upset about Trump being elected just see all of the possible negatives of the 100 day plan.

The truth lies somewhere in between but everything is so divided at this point that very few people can actually say "This is a great idea" or "This one isn't going to work" without getting shouted at for having a viewpoint.

 

[FreshFish]

Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

Not surprisingly, I know that people's bias plays into how they view his 100 day plan. Had a discussion with a friend last night who begrudgingly voted for Trump but saw it as the best option to have a republican congress get some positive things passed. He was surprised by the 100 day plan in how he agreed with so many (note: not all) of Trump's plans. Taken at face value, they seem like good ideas. The tough thing is implementing them in a way that's not going to **** a lot of people off (i.e. Obamacare).

However, as you have shown... people who are already upset about Trump being elected just see all of the possible negatives of the 100 day plan.

The truth lies somewhere in between but everything is so divided at this point that very few people can actually say "This is a great idea" or "This one isn't going to work" without getting shouted at for having a viewpoint.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to cF[Authentic] again.

The last sentence of your post is terrific.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

I'm definitely on-board with Senate term limits and the lobbying restrictions, but neither one of those is getting through Congress.

I'm OK with continued development of oil and natural gas reserves, but I think Trump overestimates the current demand for them when he says they're worth "$50 trillion".

I'm on the fence with Obamacare. I'd rather see it reformed, but it's probably going to get repealed.

School choice is going to give control to herp-a-derp Thumpers on local boards in Bible Belt states to set their own standards. It will be a disaster for American children.

His war on illegal immigrants is going to be expensive, and probably a failure.

His trade war with JHINA is going to be a disaster for the American consumer.

His tax plan is going to be a disaster for the national debt, and further widen the gap between the middle class and the rich.

His SCOTUS pick is going to be a disaster, probably someone even worse than Scalia was, so write that one off as a YUGE loss.

The fcking wall. LOL.

More military spending. Endless fueling of the military-industrial complex. Sad.

 

[leswp1]

Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

Not surprisingly, I know that people's bias plays into how they view his 100 day plan. Had a discussion with a friend last night who begrudgingly voted for Trump but saw it as the best option to have a republican congress get some positive things passed. He was surprised by the 100 day plan in how he agreed with so many (note: not all) of Trump's plans. Taken at face value, they seem like good ideas. The tough thing is implementing them in a way that's not going to **** a lot of people off (i.e. Obamacare).

However, as you have shown... people who are already upset about Trump being elected just see all of the possible negatives of the 100 day plan.

The truth lies somewhere in between but everything is so divided at this point that very few people can actually say "This is a great idea" or "This one isn't going to work" without getting shouted at for having a viewpoint.

I actually agree on some of the concepts in the abstract but many of those things are now an integral part of larger systems. I can't see how completely backing out or dismantling them can be achieved without huge disruption (financial, international relations and societal) on all levels. If I had faith that there was a coherent plan that took into account long term implications I would feel better~ but I don't. The people I have seen proposed for advisers excel at rousing the masses but haven't been effective in implementation.