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Movies! The Last Jedi: Ragnarok
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Nah they're important to the plot. Just have Rhett leave Scarlet before their daughter is born; she has no purpose but to live and die young.
Nah they're important to the plot. Just have Rhett leave Scarlet before their daughter is born; she has no purpose but to live and die young.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
God hath spoken!!
solovsfett
Registered User
Re: Movies! The Last Jedi: Ragnarok
I agree with this 100%.
I really need to see 8 again asap.
I agree with this 100%.
I really need to see 8 again asap.
Handyman
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Re: Movies! The Last Jedi: Ragnarok
I bet we could all guess if we really tried
(hint: pretty sure they have already posted in this thread about the film)
I bet we could all guess if we really tried
(hint: pretty sure they have already posted in this thread about the film)
French Rage
NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
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Maybe it's just my age, but people hate on RotJ too much. It's still a solid B. And watching RotS last week it gets too much credit. Yes it's better than TPM and AotC, but that means it's a D rather than an F; it's still two hours of green screens and stilted dialogue.
Maybe it's just my age, but people hate on RotJ too much. It's still a solid B. And watching RotS last week it gets too much credit. Yes it's better than TPM and AotC, but that means it's a D rather than an F; it's still two hours of green screens and stilted dialogue.
ScoobyDoo
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1 Word. Ewoks. Dumbest concept ever. I love the way the new series handles this issue in The Last Jedi.
1 Word. Ewoks. Dumbest concept ever. I love the way the new series handles this issue in The Last Jedi.
French Rage
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Ewoks aren't the high point of the film but they don't detract from it that much. They're not even there for the first half of the film (or however long the Jabba stuff is).
Ewoks aren't the high point of the film but they don't detract from it that much. They're not even there for the first half of the film (or however long the Jabba stuff is).
Re: Movies! The Last Jedi: Ragnarok
I did not like the ending of Return of the Sith at all. Obi-wan gives a dying Anakin a stern lecture and then leaves him alive? When we re-watch that movie we actually stop it right before that point and pretend that there is a tectonic shift in the ground or something that separates Obi-wan from Anakin. To be consistent with the character seen throughout the rest of the movies, Obi-wan would have killed Anakin while he was lying there helpless, not just walk away...which of course would have made IV-VI impossible...so Obi-wan and Anakin needed to be separated by the shifting ground first instead.
I thought Attack of the Clowns was the worst of the bunch, except for Obi-wan's visit to Pamino there was no point to that movie at all. F- for me for that one.
I guess I'm in a minority in giving The Phantom Menace a C-; I think people's revulsion over Jar-Jar Binks masked a great villain in Darth Maul and some other fine touches. I actually thought it was the best of I-III though that isn't saying much since all three of them were so lame.
So for me I guess it would be:
IV: A
V: A
VI: B
I: C-
II: F-
III: D+ (Mace Windu was a great character though)
VIII: B-
I did not like the ending of Return of the Sith at all. Obi-wan gives a dying Anakin a stern lecture and then leaves him alive? When we re-watch that movie we actually stop it right before that point and pretend that there is a tectonic shift in the ground or something that separates Obi-wan from Anakin. To be consistent with the character seen throughout the rest of the movies, Obi-wan would have killed Anakin while he was lying there helpless, not just walk away...which of course would have made IV-VI impossible...so Obi-wan and Anakin needed to be separated by the shifting ground first instead.
I thought Attack of the Clowns was the worst of the bunch, except for Obi-wan's visit to Pamino there was no point to that movie at all. F- for me for that one.
I guess I'm in a minority in giving The Phantom Menace a C-; I think people's revulsion over Jar-Jar Binks masked a great villain in Darth Maul and some other fine touches. I actually thought it was the best of I-III though that isn't saying much since all three of them were so lame.
So for me I guess it would be:
IV: A
V: A
VI: B
I: C-
II: F-
III: D+ (Mace Windu was a great character though)
VIII: B-
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Handyman
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Well if Ewoks annoy people that much there are way more annoying plot devices and holes. You can either ignore them or not.
I find the ineptitude of the Stormtroopers and Vader becoming a whiny biotch to be more annoying than Ewoks. Oh and The Emperor...a man who was brilliant enough to control a galaxy, becoming a bond villain
I still enjoy ROTJ though
Well if Ewoks annoy people that much there are way more annoying plot devices and holes. You can either ignore them or not.
I find the ineptitude of the Stormtroopers and Vader becoming a whiny biotch to be more annoying than Ewoks. Oh and The Emperor...a man who was brilliant enough to control a galaxy, becoming a bond villain
I still enjoy ROTJ though
French Rage
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Ten years ago I would have said AotC was a clear step-up from TPM. But now I don't know. Don't get me wrong, TPM is definitely not good, but I think it became such a punchline that it was easy at first to overlook the badness of AotC. I mean, TPM had its list of problems (Jar Jar being the largest, but still wooden acting and bleh dialogue) and I have no interest in seeing it again when on TV, but it's problems could also be somewhat attributed to the fact they hadn't done it in 15 years and with the expectations on it they made a lot of regrettable choices in how the movie eventually ended up. With AotC, though, it almost feels worse that they knew the problems with TPM and somehow only made it worse. The dialogue was far worse (and now they had a lot more at stake trying to write a romance, whereas TPM only had to write about embargos). The acting was worse; with the crap they got for TPM they couldn't do better with Hayden Christensen? Even the actiony parts feel almost as empty, if not emptier, than those in TPM.
So while both are bad, it feels like TPM has some excuses whereas AotC has none.
Ten years ago I would have said AotC was a clear step-up from TPM. But now I don't know. Don't get me wrong, TPM is definitely not good, but I think it became such a punchline that it was easy at first to overlook the badness of AotC. I mean, TPM had its list of problems (Jar Jar being the largest, but still wooden acting and bleh dialogue) and I have no interest in seeing it again when on TV, but it's problems could also be somewhat attributed to the fact they hadn't done it in 15 years and with the expectations on it they made a lot of regrettable choices in how the movie eventually ended up. With AotC, though, it almost feels worse that they knew the problems with TPM and somehow only made it worse. The dialogue was far worse (and now they had a lot more at stake trying to write a romance, whereas TPM only had to write about embargos). The acting was worse; with the crap they got for TPM they couldn't do better with Hayden Christensen? Even the actiony parts feel almost as empty, if not emptier, than those in TPM.
So while both are bad, it feels like TPM has some excuses whereas AotC has none.
French Rage
NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
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I attribute most of that to "the Empire was overconfident" and that pretty much explains any plothole away. Then you just sit back and enjoy the Sarlac pit and the hoverbikes.
Well if Ewoks annoy people that much there are way more annoying plot devices and holes. You can either ignore them or not.
I find the ineptitude of the Stormtroopers and Vader becoming a whiny biotch to be more annoying than Ewoks. Oh and The Emperor...a man who was brilliant enough to control a galaxy, becoming a bond villain
I still enjoy ROTJ though
I attribute most of that to "the Empire was overconfident" and that pretty much explains any plothole away. Then you just sit back and enjoy the Sarlac pit and the hoverbikes.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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JJB wasn't my issue with Ep. I -- that was no worse children's fan service than the ewoks.
The problem was George Lucas' Muppet Babies. The whole f-cking original story of Anakin and Padme is so demeaning it's a kick right in the franchise groin, as if Spielberg broke into the trailer and edited the film based on suggestions by Harrison Ford and Melissa Mathison.
JJB wasn't my issue with Ep. I -- that was no worse children's fan service than the ewoks.
The problem was George Lucas' Muppet Babies. The whole f-cking original story of Anakin and Padme is so demeaning it's a kick right in the franchise groin, as if Spielberg broke into the trailer and edited the film based on suggestions by Harrison Ford and Melissa Mathison.
Handyman
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The Emperor was so dumb he didnt even realize Vader was going to turn on him...even though he said Luke was gonna try to turn him, he felt the conflict and then tortured Luke right in front of him. I mean there is overconfidence and then there is "Durr...I am just going to ignore everything I know cause...reasons )
See also: The Jedi in the Prequels. How friggin dumb were these clowns.
The Emperor was so dumb he didnt even realize Vader was going to turn on him...even though he said Luke was gonna try to turn him, he felt the conflict and then tortured Luke right in front of him. I mean there is overconfidence and then there is "Durr...I am just going to ignore everything I know cause...reasons
)See also: The Jedi in the Prequels. How friggin dumb were these clowns.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
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It works as a plot device but not well as a logic device. All of it has to happen for the story but it makes them looks stupid. Same sort of thing happens in Episode 8 in a couple of places and people are nuts about it.
The Emperor was so dumb he didnt even realize Vader was going to turn on him...even though he said Luke was gonna try to turn him, he felt the conflict and then tortured Luke right in front of him. I mean there is overconfidence and then there is "Durr...I am just going to ignore everything I know cause...reasons
See also: The Jedi in the Prequels. How friggin dumb were these clowns.
It works as a plot device but not well as a logic device. All of it has to happen for the story but it makes them looks stupid. Same sort of thing happens in Episode 8 in a couple of places and people are nuts about it.
Handyman
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Right and see I can ignore all that stuff so it doesnt bug me. (I usually laugh at it because they thought about so much of the details and weird stuff slips by) But too many people spend too much time on Youtube watching crap like "Cinema Sins" or other sites that like to nitpick stuff to death so they can sound really smart while talking other other like minded people. These clowns tend to overuse jargon (everything is "stylized" with "filters" and they misuse pathos a lot, they often say "dark and gritty" and talk about "showing not telling" ) and email nerd podcasts/videocasts to rail about how Han Shot first and why Boba Fett didnt die in the Sarlaac Pit.
I of course have seen women naked so this crap is lost on me
Right and see I can ignore all that stuff so it doesnt bug me. (I usually laugh at it because they thought about so much of the details and weird stuff slips by) But too many people spend too much time on Youtube watching crap like "Cinema Sins" or other sites that like to nitpick stuff to death so they can sound really smart while talking other other like minded people. These clowns tend to overuse jargon (everything is "stylized" with "filters" and they misuse pathos a lot, they often say "dark and gritty" and talk about "showing not telling" ) and email nerd podcasts/videocasts to rail about how Han Shot first and why Boba Fett didnt die in the Sarlaac Pit.
I of course have seen women naked so this crap is lost on me
ScoobyDoo
NPC
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I'm not at that level. I'd rather enjoy it for what it is. Guy here at the office is losing his mind over what he saw last night. I tried to talk him off the ledge and explain everything to him in simple terms for moviegoers and he would have none of it.
Right and see I can ignore all that stuff so it doesnt bug me. (I usually laugh at it because they thought about so much of the details and weird stuff slips by) But too many people spend too much time on Youtube watching crap like "Cinema Sins" or other sites that like to nitpick stuff to death so they can sound really smart while talking other other like minded people. These clowns tend to overuse jargon (everything is "stylized" with "filters" and they misuse pathos a lot, they often say "dark and gritty" and talk about "showing not telling" ) and email nerd podcasts/videocasts to rail about how Han Shot first and why Boba Fett didnt die in the Sarlaac Pit.
I of course have seen women naked so this crap is lost on me
I'm not at that level. I'd rather enjoy it for what it is. Guy here at the office is losing his mind over what he saw last night. I tried to talk him off the ledge and explain everything to him in simple terms for moviegoers and he would have none of it.
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Gurtholfin
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You sure seem to know a lot about this underground movement...
Right and see I can ignore all that stuff so it doesnt bug me. (I usually laugh at it because they thought about so much of the details and weird stuff slips by) But too many people spend too much time on Youtube watching crap like "Cinema Sins" or other sites that like to nitpick stuff to death so they can sound really smart while talking other other like minded people. These clowns tend to overuse jargon (everything is "stylized" with "filters" and they misuse pathos a lot, they often say "dark and gritty" and talk about "showing not telling" ) and email nerd podcasts/videocasts to rail about how Han Shot first and why Boba Fett didnt die in the Sarlaac Pit.
You sure seem to know a lot about this underground movement...
RickSanchez
Guy Incognito
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Paying strippers an extra premium doesn't count, Handy.
Right and see I can ignore all that stuff so it doesnt bug me. (I usually laugh at it because they thought about so much of the details and weird stuff slips by) But too many people spend too much time on Youtube watching crap like "Cinema Sins" or other sites that like to nitpick stuff to death so they can sound really smart while talking other other like minded people. These clowns tend to overuse jargon (everything is "stylized" with "filters" and they misuse pathos a lot, they often say "dark and gritty" and talk about "showing not telling" ) and email nerd podcasts/videocasts to rail about how Han Shot first and why Boba Fett didnt die in the Sarlaac Pit.
I of course have seen women naked so this crap is lost on me
Paying strippers an extra premium doesn't count, Handy.
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