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More Canadians Coming???

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bigmrg74 said:
Simon Fraser had to pretty much gut their football team for this year because they didn't have many kids that would have qualified under NCAA D2 rules. I don't think we would have to worry much about MJ's and other overaged Canadians playing for them. Their fans however.... that could be another story. ;)
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You do know that he's going to B!+ch about 1 thing or another?
 
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Rhett said:
This is not true for men's ice hockey. The NCAA divides men's ice hockey into I, II, and III. There are 6 NCAA II programs. There is a difference between not having enough schools to hold a NCAA branded championship and not existing.

This would be true for women's ice hockey. The NCAA divides women's ice hockey into National Collegiate and III.
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Who are the six D-2 schools?
 
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Bringing this thread back up because CARDS_rule_the_Burgh mad a great post on the "Play-up" moratorium issue, with the actual language of the latest by-laws, and a breakdown a few months ago... I just didn't know about it until now. It is very relevant to the issue of the Canadian schools joining D-II and makes it look unlikely that this will result in more play-ups to D-I ice hockey.

Some good follow up by the D-III posters on the history and current status of many schools playing-up come later in the thread too. A worthy read for anyone who finds this issue interesting:

http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?90635-Moratoriums&p=4780417&viewfull=1#post4780417
 
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UBC: T-Birds ready to pull pin from Canada

You know, with all of that Anti-BTHC talk, you would have to think that UBC would be an attractive school for that kind of a league. A great overall university, a quality barn, and gives the league a big market in Canada to start going toe to toe with MJ in getting more kids to look at going the NCAA route instead. Bringing in UBC would be a lot of good things for that other league.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
UBC: T-Birds ready to pull pin from Canada

You know, with all of that Anti-BTHC talk, you would have to think that UBC would be an attractive school for that kind of a league. A great overall university, a quality barn, and gives the league a big market in Canada to start going toe to toe with MJ in getting more kids to look at going the NCAA route instead. Bringing in UBC would be a lot of good things for that other league.
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"One issue that remains unresolved is where the UBC hockey teams would play."

hmmm... where would they play?
 
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Rhett said:
What I was pleased to see was McGill was exploring a NCAA move. Who knows if it would happen like this, but I can imagine a Montreal school joining a Boston-centric conference would really galvinize the fanbase. They're also less than 2 hours from UVM, if the partner system ever came to pass. Plus, roadtrips to Montreal.
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McGill actually fits the ECAC profile much better. That would be a great addition, if the conference ever expands or reconfigures.
 
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Hate to dampen anyone's love for all things Canadian, but it highly doubtful that any more CIS schools will look to the NCAA. SFU and UBC are unique for reasons already described here and in previous threads - SFU was never comfortable in the CIS and bothy they and UBC want cheaper north-south travel as opposed to road trips half-way across the country to Winnipeg for the hockey team. And the UBC hockey team is simply not good. They are perennially in the bottom third of Canada West so they would not be giving up a lot to flush the team roster and find non-Major Junior players. UBC has convinced themselves, apparently, that the CIS limits on Athletic Financial Awards is the only thing keeping them from scooping up all of those British Columbia student-athletes who defect to the NCAA in all sports. UBC is a big school, and admittedly a good school, so I guess they figure they can find the money and will draw huge crowds against those no-name (to the Canadian public) Div II schools in basketball, hockey, football, etc. As we say here, its a west coast thing, as BC is the loony left of Canada, our California.

As for other teams, don't count on it. Maybe border schools like Windsor, but it is highly unlikely any of the Top 10 teams would make the move. I can pretty well guarantee UNB would not make the move unless the AUS conference and the CIS imploded. Why would they. The top hockey schools like their "partnership" with the CHL - Major Junior gives education packages to their players to try to keep them from going south to NCAA, and those players take that education money with them when they play for CIS schools. The level of hockey has never been better in the top CIS hockey schools. The CIS is not a primary development league, and doesn't try to be. In Canada that will always be the CHL. So the CIS just waits for players to finish their time in the CHL then come play for them.

However, join the NCAA and you've got to end your pipeline to Major Junior (which UBC doesn't/didn't do a good job with) and compete with tons of schools for Junior A players. Why would UNB want to do that?
 
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FreddyFoyle said:
Hate to dampen anyone's love for all things Canadian, but it highly doubtful that any more CIS schools will look to the NCAA. SFU and UBC are unique for reasons already described here and in previous threads - SFU was never comfortable in the CIS and bothy they and UBC want cheaper north-south travel as opposed to road trips half-way across the country to Winnipeg for the hockey team. And the UBC hockey team is simply not good. They are perennially in the bottom third of Canada West so they would not be giving up a lot to flush the team roster and find non-Major Junior players. UBC has convinced themselves, apparently, that the CIS limits on Athletic Financial Awards is the only thing keeping them from scooping up all of those British Columbia student-athletes who defect to the NCAA in all sports. UBC is a big school, and admittedly a good school, so I guess they figure they can find the money and will draw huge crowds against those no-name (to the Canadian public) Div II schools in basketball, hockey, football, etc. As we say here, its a west coast thing, as BC is the loony left of Canada, our California.

As for other teams, don't count on it. Maybe border schools like Windsor, but it is highly unlikely any of the Top 10 teams would make the move. I can pretty well guarantee UNB would not make the move unless the AUS conference and the CIS imploded. Why would they. The top hockey schools like their "partnership" with the CHL - Major Junior gives education packages to their players to try to keep them from going south to NCAA, and those players take that education money with them when they play for CIS schools. The level of hockey has never been better in the top CIS hockey schools. The CIS is not a primary development league, and doesn't try to be. In Canada that will always be the CHL. So the CIS just waits for players to finish their time in the CHL then come play for them.

However, join the NCAA and you've got to end your pipeline to Major Junior (which UBC doesn't/didn't do a good job with) and compete with tons of schools for Junior A players. Why would UNB want to do that?
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Yeah, I do see your point. Honestly, sort of Windsor, who would be a great fit in the GLIAC, the only schools I could really see really wanting to make the move to the NCAA are the Canadian West schools, as they've got a long hike to anybody else out east for non-league games. In the NCAA D2, they're looking at games with the GNAC in Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana and Alaska; the NSIC members that are in North Dakota, South Dakota, and Minnesota, and heck, the Yooper GLIAC schools as well wouldn't be that bad for them either.

The only way I would really see the more eastern Canada schools wanting to go NCAA is if UBC comes in and becomes crazy successful in something, D1 Hockey, D1 Basketball, or D1-AA football. Get a huge run in one of those sports, maybe even pull off a championship, those other schools are bound to get jealous I would think.
 
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Hate to say this but if Winnipeg Manitoba (University of Manitoba) could come into the NCAA and move up to D1 hockey they would become a great addition to the WCHA.

Winnipeg is about 150 miles north of Grand Forks, ND and Winnipeg already follows UND Fighting Sioux hockey. And for coaches and parents of young hockey players growing up in Manitoba, it is a great source of pride for them than to see their native sons play for the Fighting Sioux because they feel UND could help their son become the next Jonathan Toews.

If Winnipeg had its own NCAA D1 program they would be able to draw recruits from all of Western Canada and travel wouldn't be much of an issue with half of their away games in neighboring states of Minnesota and North Dakota. They also have a nice hockey arena suitable for a NHL team but NCAA hockey may be an attractive alternative to Winnipeg if they do not attract an NHL team.
 
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