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Caveman-RC
A Finlandia living legend.
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Fine, but please stop clogging up the SNC thread with drivel.
Fine, but please stop clogging up the SNC thread with drivel.
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Maybe, as a compromise, the SNC fans can post here about SNC things and let the other thread become the domain of westscout...
Maybe, as a compromise, the SNC fans can post here about SNC things and let the other thread become the domain of westscout...
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NorthernPike
Don't believe everything you think.
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So how does UW Superior get away with offering in state tuition to Canadian hockey players? That is financial aid. If I were a Wisconsin taxpayer I would not be happy subsidizing 16 Canadian players that appear on the current roster,and, I don't get me started on the 5 Minnesota players who also receive the same financial aid. I guess it is just taking advantage of the system.
So how does UW Superior get away with offering in state tuition to Canadian hockey players? That is financial aid. If I were a Wisconsin taxpayer I would not be happy subsidizing 16 Canadian players that appear on the current roster,and, I don't get me started on the 5 Minnesota players who also receive the same financial aid. I guess it is just taking advantage of the system.
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It is tough to cry for the UW state schools when it comes to recruiting. They have a lot working in their favor (state school tuition, reasonable admission standards, tuition reciprocity with a huge hockey state, etc.)
It is tough to cry for the UW state schools when it comes to recruiting. They have a lot working in their favor (state school tuition, reasonable admission standards, tuition reciprocity with a huge hockey state, etc.)
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I can say that Oswego offers an International Scholarship that covers the difference between in-state and out-of-state tuition (and I believe may be even greater than the difference). I believe the diference is roughly $8,400 and the International Scholarship is roughly $11,000 per year.
The key to this scholarship is that it does not only fund the hockey players, but also funds other international students. If it were simply funding the hockey players then it would be considered the de-facto scholarship (See Buff State and Genny). Likewise, Oswego also offers a Residential Scholarship that is offered only to students that are out-of-state students that are residents of the USA. This scholarship I believe is roughly $8,000 and covers the difference between in-state and out-of-state tuition.
This is not 'taking advantage of the system', it is simply utilizing the system that is in place. Whether or not hockey was a major sport at Oswego, the institution would still be offereing these scholarships (Just as many other institutions do). If these schools were 'taking advantage of the system', then Oswego would be a power house in many other sports and not just hockey.
Do I believe some schools give better FA packages than other schools? Sure. These schools generally give better FA packages to all attending and not simply just to a specific group of students, i.e. hockey players.
If I were a taxpayer in New York, I would certainly be quite happy subsidizing out-of-state students in hopes that more people would be attracted to the area, thus boosting population and economy. Unfortunately (or fortunate due to the weather) for me, the economy in New York is quite poor at the time and a move down South was necessary to find a job after finishing a Master's degree! Anything that attracts more people to my area, I am all for.
I can say that Oswego offers an International Scholarship that covers the difference between in-state and out-of-state tuition (and I believe may be even greater than the difference). I believe the diference is roughly $8,400 and the International Scholarship is roughly $11,000 per year.
The key to this scholarship is that it does not only fund the hockey players, but also funds other international students. If it were simply funding the hockey players then it would be considered the de-facto scholarship (See Buff State and Genny). Likewise, Oswego also offers a Residential Scholarship that is offered only to students that are out-of-state students that are residents of the USA. This scholarship I believe is roughly $8,000 and covers the difference between in-state and out-of-state tuition.
This is not 'taking advantage of the system', it is simply utilizing the system that is in place. Whether or not hockey was a major sport at Oswego, the institution would still be offereing these scholarships (Just as many other institutions do). If these schools were 'taking advantage of the system', then Oswego would be a power house in many other sports and not just hockey.
Do I believe some schools give better FA packages than other schools? Sure. These schools generally give better FA packages to all attending and not simply just to a specific group of students, i.e. hockey players.
If I were a taxpayer in New York, I would certainly be quite happy subsidizing out-of-state students in hopes that more people would be attracted to the area, thus boosting population and economy. Unfortunately (or fortunate due to the weather) for me, the economy in New York is quite poor at the time and a move down South was necessary to find a job after finishing a Master's degree! Anything that attracts more people to my area, I am all for.
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And that is the way the system is supposed to work. There should be no pool of money that is only available to athletes. The NCAA does monitor these things. That's how Buffalo State and Genesseo got caught last year. They had a very specific aid program. The program was for any Canadian student. The problem was that the vast majority of Canadian students were hockey players. When 90% of the students on an aid program are hockey players, it doesn't work. A generalized international aid package works better you are going to get a more diverse group of students. The Bahrani economics student, and the German math major all help to give the pool of recipients the diversity necessary to meet the NCAA test, which is basically "do some students' aid packages make it easier to identify a student as an athlete?" The answer to that question should be no. I can explain it in terms of conditional probability, but I won't.
And that is the way the system is supposed to work. There should be no pool of money that is only available to athletes. The NCAA does monitor these things. That's how Buffalo State and Genesseo got caught last year. They had a very specific aid program. The program was for any Canadian student. The problem was that the vast majority of Canadian students were hockey players. When 90% of the students on an aid program are hockey players, it doesn't work. A generalized international aid package works better you are going to get a more diverse group of students. The Bahrani economics student, and the German math major all help to give the pool of recipients the diversity necessary to meet the NCAA test, which is basically "do some students' aid packages make it easier to identify a student as an athlete?" The answer to that question should be no. I can explain it in terms of conditional probability, but I won't.
collegehcky2
Vinegar Strokes
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Very well said, in fact, at Oswego I personally knew 4 kids from Ontario that weren't athletes and came in on scholarships. It actually helps the university gain "international students" and when the university itself is looked at by individuals outside of NYS, they'll see students out of state have the opportunity to get scholarships, thus boosting (in theory) applications and possibly out of state students (they pay more % of total cost in tuition). It's a much better system than many other states' schools have. There's a reason why SUNY is one of if not the best public college systems in the nation.
Very well said, in fact, at Oswego I personally knew 4 kids from Ontario that weren't athletes and came in on scholarships. It actually helps the university gain "international students" and when the university itself is looked at by individuals outside of NYS, they'll see students out of state have the opportunity to get scholarships, thus boosting (in theory) applications and possibly out of state students (they pay more % of total cost in tuition). It's a much better system than many other states' schools have. There's a reason why SUNY is one of if not the best public college systems in the nation.
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Nah, you just don't want to have to compete with all those kids when (or if) UC becomes the tenth member of the SUNYAC
Nah, you just don't want to have to compete with all those kids when (or if) UC becomes the tenth member of the SUNYAC
norm1909
Larry Normandin
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Not to mention the economic impact brought into the state and the multiplier effect from money not only spent by the student, but also family and friends as they visit, etc. Note that the institutions fixed costs do not change by adding students, so the "real" cost of adding out-of-state students is not what it seems (i.e. the amount financial aid award), it is VERY likely that out-of-state students yield a net gain to the state treasury. There is also real and substantial diversity, inclusion and pluralism gained from them.
Not to mention the economic impact brought into the state and the multiplier effect from money not only spent by the student, but also family and friends as they visit, etc. Note that the institutions fixed costs do not change by adding students, so the "real" cost of adding out-of-state students is not what it seems (i.e. the amount financial aid award), it is VERY likely that out-of-state students yield a net gain to the state treasury. There is also real and substantial diversity, inclusion and pluralism gained from them.
GB Puck Fan
It's A Great Day For Hockey
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I can't speak to the Canadians, but as for the Minnesotans, Wisconsin and Minnesota have a reciprocity agreement that allows students from both states to attend schools in the other for the in-state tuition rate. It is used by tens of thousands of students in both states. And it's nothing new.
I can't speak to the Canadians, but as for the Minnesotans, Wisconsin and Minnesota have a reciprocity agreement that allows students from both states to attend schools in the other for the in-state tuition rate. It is used by tens of thousands of students in both states. And it's nothing new.
Blugold Hockey
Registered User
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UW - Superior, UW - River Falls, UW - Stout, and UW - Stevens Point all have access to and use the same "in state tuition program for Canadian Students (who also play hockey)". UW - Eau Claire has access to it, and used it in the past (look at the rosters in the late 90's early 00's compared to now), but hasn't been able to use it in at least the last six years. Like all UW system schools UW - Eau Claire has reciprocity with Minnesota and that's why half of the school cheers for the Vikings every Sunday (when the NFL is in season
).
UW - Superior, UW - River Falls, UW - Stout, and UW - Stevens Point all have access to and use the same "in state tuition program for Canadian Students (who also play hockey)". UW - Eau Claire has access to it, and used it in the past (look at the rosters in the late 90's early 00's compared to now), but hasn't been able to use it in at least the last six years. Like all UW system schools UW - Eau Claire has reciprocity with Minnesota and that's why half of the school cheers for the Vikings every Sunday (when the NFL is in season
).