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MLB 2018.1: ...And The Nationals Will Not Make It Out of the First Round

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Russell Jaslow said:
Then they simply put him on the active roster no matter his condition, start the suspension, and replace him anyway. Still doesn't solve anything.
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The point is to punish the team. Not just the player. Jamming up a roster spot for half the year is kind of a big deal until September.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
He's NOT GETTING PAID. That's a lot different than collecting paychecks because you broke your hand.

Plus, he was told he failed the drug test at the start of the season. It was MLB who delayed the suspension to investigate. It's just bad circumstances that he happened to get hurt when MLB announced the suspension.

Look, I'm never going to defend a PED user, but what people are suggesting is double jeopardy. And that's just not right. Not in this country.
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That word you keep using... :D.

Also that last sentence is kind of laughable. This isn’t a criminal court.
 
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The ped rules are collectively bargained, so whatever they are, it wouldnt be double jeopardy. This isnt a tv court show.

If he was injured and then the ped case was resolved. He would NOT be able to serve them concurrently. So, your point about not being paid isnt even a consideration of the rules.

Only because he was injured after the fact, is he allowed to run them concurrently.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
Then they simply put him on the active roster no matter his condition, start the suspension, and replace him anyway. Still doesn't solve anything.
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The question was "what's healthy enough to play?"

As for this, I don't see the big deal about allowing him to serve them concurrently. He's still f-cked. The idea of the punishment is deterrence. I don't think other athletes will think, "well, if I ever get a suspension I'll also break a bone. That'll get over on them!"
 
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Kepler said:
The question was "what's healthy enough to play?"

As for this, I don't see the big deal about allowing him to serve them concurrently. He's still f-cked. The idea of the punishment is deterrence. I don't think other athletes will think, "well, if I ever get a suspension I'll also break a bone. That'll get over on them!"
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I think we all get its coincidence. It also would be far less a story if it was a 5 day injury. It just feels like hes catching a break (pun intended).
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
The point is to punish the team. Not just the player. Jamming up a roster spot for half the year is kind of a big deal until September.
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I don't get your last sentence. They can replace a suspended player.
 
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Kepler said:
The question was "what's healthy enough to play?"

As for this, I don't see the big deal about allowing him to serve them concurrently. He's still f-cked. The idea of the punishment is deterrence. I don't think other athletes will think, "well, if I ever get a suspension I'll also break a bone. That'll get over on them!"
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They'll make up the definition to suit them...

You don't have to put someone on the DL. That's just a means to help the team out, so they can replace the player on the roster, but there's no rule that says you have to put a player on the DL no matter how hurt he is. So, if a guy gets suspended and gets hurt at the same time, they will simply not put him on the DL (perfectly legal), and then start his suspension. That's why this whole discussion is silly.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
They'll make up the definition to suit them...

You don't have to put someone on the DL. That's just a means to help the team out, so they can replace the player on the roster, but there's no rule that says you have to put a player on the DL no matter how hurt he is. So, if a guy gets suspended and gets hurt at the same time, they will simply not put him on the DL (perfectly legal), and then start his suspension. That's why this whole discussion is silly.
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But that doesn't make any sense, because it would burn that roster slot for the length of his injury. The worst outcome for the team is getting shorted that bench depth. Or am I missing something obvious?
 
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Kepler said:
But that doesn't make any sense, because it would burn that roster slot for the length of his injury. The worst outcome for the team is getting shorted that bench depth. Or am I missing something obvious?
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Either you or I are... :-)

If a player gets hurt and he gets suspended at the same time, the team won't put him on the DL. They will simply have him suspended. They can replace a suspended player right?

So, if a player's suspension wasn't going to start until he is no longer hurt (as some are proposing), the team can simply say he isn't hurt and we are not putting him on the DL. Then, they put him on the suspended list. Ergo, the idea of forcing a player to start his suspension until he is "healthy" enough to play makes no sense. The team can simply say he is healthy enough to play because we never put him on the DL.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
Either you or I are... :-)

If a player gets hurt and he gets suspended at the same time, the team won't put him on the DL. They will simply have him suspended. They can replace a suspended player right?

So, if a player's suspension wasn't going to start until he is no longer hurt (as some are proposing), the team can simply say he isn't hurt and we are not putting him on the DL. Then, they put him on the suspended list. Ergo, the idea of forcing a player to start his suspension until he is "healthy" enough to play makes no sense. The team can simply say he is healthy enough to play because we never put him on the DL.
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OK, I'm tracking. I think your logic is correct. I also see no problem with a team doing that. The penalty is the penalty, it has nothing to do with whether the player is "lucky" enough to have gotten injured. It's like Colonel Flag rushing the Korean soldier into surgery to get him healthy enough to be executed.
 
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We arent proposing. Thats the rule in any case where the injury happens before the ped case is finalized.

We are questioning why its not in all cases.
 
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This whole thing has me wondering. What happens to a prisoner who lapses into a coma? Do they stop the clock on his sentence until he recovers consciousness in order to squeeze every ounce of punishment out of it?
 
Kepler said:
This whole thing has me wondering. What happens to a prisoner who lapses into a coma? Do they stop the clock on his sentence until he recovers consciousness in order to squeeze every ounce of punishment out of it?
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If he's Irish and you're British - shoot him.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
We arent proposing. Thats the rule in any case where the injury happens before the ped case is finalized.

We are questioning why its not in all cases.
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Now, I'm confused. :confused:

Once the suspension comes down from the MLB offices, the suspension begins. It doesn't matter whether the player is injured or not, on the DL or not. It doesn't matter whether the player was injured or not at the time he failed the drug test. The suspension begins right when MLB hands it out. It's the same in all the cases. So, I don't understand what you are questioning.
 
Russell Jaslow said:
Now, I'm confused. :confused:

Once the suspension comes down from the MLB offices, the suspension begins. It doesn't matter whether the player is injured or not, on the DL or not. It doesn't matter whether the player was injured or not at the time he failed the drug test. The suspension begins right when MLB hands it out. It's the same in all the cases. So, I don't understand what you are questioning.
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Apparently that is not how it works. According to the press, there are 2 situations. One where they can run injuries at the same time as the suspension, and one where they cant.

Also the players are notified sometimes months before an actual suspension for ped. There is an investigation and appeals process before the public ever hears about it.

ETA. Wiki is useless, but it seems like if the player is already assigned to the DL, they can be at the same time. Looking for better descriptions.
 
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Maybe the NY Post is drunk, as they are the only mention i saw of it so far. Although I'd imagine because of the appeals process, a player like Cano could drop his appeal immediately after breaking his hand.

He notified the league he wanted to drop his appeal Friday and try for a negotiated settlement, then broke his hand Monday. Then was suspended Tuesday.
 
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