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MLB 2015 - Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!

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I was, too, until I saw a lady get her face caved in, in a situation where she was paying attention. She simply did not have time to react. THAT'S the part I have the issue with. In places where you can't get out of the way even if you want to, something needs to be done before someone gets killed.

I don't want the whole stadium netted. Far from it. We have no problem with netting/protection behind the plate. There's protective fencing in front of every MLB dugout as well. The people directly behind the dugouts have roughly the same reaction time. Take care of them, too. Or don't sell seating there. MLB is begging to get their asses sued off over this.
 
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Bumgarner's gotta be on the 'roids, man. Another home run. He's hitting .250, slugging about .500 and mashed 9 home runs over the last two seasons. This after hitting a buck thirty eight with just 2 homers over his first five years. In his 2nd inning homer last night he worked the count and looked as much like a hitter as half the hitters who have dressed for the Phillies in 2015.

Gotta be juicing... :D
 
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JF_Gophers said:
I'm anti netting expansion just like I was in hockey.

If you know the risks and you still sit there. Then you have to deal with it.

I'd be OK making the sections not for children.
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Making areas off limits to children would be the worst thing a pro sport could do as far as marketing. Some areas would also seem to have extremely limited risk and yet we still see fans get hurt, like the lady who was hit in the head earlier this season behind a net. Also, didn't the young girl who died at the Bluejackets game get hit when she was sitting in the upper deck behind the net? I doubt anyone would think a seat so far from the ice could be reasonably thought of as a "risky" spot.

As many have noted, MLB players sometimes get hit by foul ball liners. How can MLB expect fans to protect themselves if players sometimes cannot. A few more feet of netting in the most vulnerable areas seems like an easy and reasonable solution.
 
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I would like to see netting extending to the dugout, whether that be the beginning or end of it.

The Lansing Lugnuts have some of the smallest netting area I've ever seen at a ballpark. I sat in the section over from the netting and was afraid that even paying attention I might not be able to react quickly enough.

I've seen some proposals wanting it to go all the way to the outfield. I think that's overcompensating, but there's really no reason the players have protection where the fans don't.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
I would like to see netting extending to the dugout, whether that be the beginning or end of it.

The Lansing Lugnuts have some of the smallest netting area I've ever seen at a ballpark. I sat in the section over from the netting and was afraid that even paying attention I might not be able to react quickly enough.
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I've sat in the 2nd row behind the Tiger dugout. The guys directly in front of us had their beers on the dugout. I was not exactly comfortable there. And I've been going to games for 32 years.

I've seen some proposals wanting it to go all the way to the outfield. I think that's overcompensating, but there's really no reason the players have protection where the fans don't.
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That's entirely too much. Here's where I draw the line: If an average person has enough reaction time to duck, or raise your hands, or something along those lines, you don't need netting. The lady that got smoked last night at Comerica Park did not have any of that.

This is a lawsuit begging to happen. We're gonna **** around and get somebody killed here due to pure stupidity.
 
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I was reading this thread late to the netting party, and glad to see some common sense being discussed. I would be okay with netting TO the dugouts. After that, personally, I'd have to say no.

After being at Miller Park and Wrigley field right behind the dugout for a game each this year, I made sure I brought a glove to those games, because even if I couldn't catch it, I could at least attempt to deflect a screaming line drive.


What I saw at Wrigley made me think a compromise could be had. Wrigley has plexi-glass panels above their brick work for the seats between the netting and the dugouts. Maybe, and I'm just throwing an idea out there, is that 4' of Plexi-Glass could be used. This way, you have "unobstructed views" unlike netting and the safety of not having a screaming line drive foul going four rows deep behind the batting circle.
 
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After being at Miller Park and Wrigley field right behind the dugout for a game each this year, I made sure I brought a glove to those games, because even if I couldn't catch it, I could at least attempt to deflect a screaming line drive.
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You would not have had a chance to do anything but bleed in last night's scenario. This thing was on her that quickly.

I've been a proponent of this for some time.

A small part of sitting there is the opportunity to get a foul ball, as well, something I was able to do in 2013 at a minor league game. I do not wish to take away that opportunity, but I do want to protect people that are unable to protect themselves when a ball or a bat (and this part is becoming more and more frequent). I do not want to put everyone in the ballpark in a bubble. If you're not paying attention in the outfield seats and you get conked, for the most part you probably deserve it. But if we can reasonably protect those closest to the action that do not have a chance to react to this, then we should do so.

They stopped the game for 7 minutes last night at Comerica Park. The lady simply had no time to react to the ball that came screaming over the dugout and paid the price. We're playing with fire here. And this is an easy lawsuit for the plantiff to win. Even the players are starting to say something.
 
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Hammer said:
You would not have had a chance to do anything but bleed in last night's scenario. This thing was on her that quickly.
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Yikes! Was at Miller Park this year (in the outfield behind the Braves bullpen) when one of the Braves sent a screaming line drive twelve rows deep behind the Brewers dugout. Sounds similar to the Comerica game, in that the game had to be stopped for almost 10 minutes while crews attended to her. http://www.wisn.com/news/woman-hit-...permanent-damage-large-medical-bills/34388014

Seems to be happening more this year.
 
aparch said:
Yikes! Was at Miller Park this year (in the outfield behind the Braves bullpen) when one of the Braves sent a screaming line drive twelve rows deep behind the Brewers dugout. Sounds similar to the Comerica game, in that the game had to be stopped for almost 10 minutes while crews attended to her. http://www.wisn.com/news/woman-hit-...permanent-damage-large-medical-bills/34388014

Seems to be happening more this year.
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This thing hit a lady in the 2nd or 3rd row last night. I don't think she was 80 feet from the batters box.
 
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Hammer said:
If an average person has enough reaction time to duck, or raise your hands, or something along those lines, you don't need netting.
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Smart phones are a great tool for Darwin. Change nothing; this is developing nicely.
 
unofan said:
Except it isn't, unless you want a court to overrule 100 years of precedent.
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The ticket says bearer assumes all risk. It has the same wording since I was a kid. How can they sue and win?

I do betcha that, behind the scenes, the home team takes care of the fan either through medical $$$ and/or season tickets.
 
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joecct said:
The ticket says bearer assumes all risk. It has the same wording since I was a kid. How can they sue and win?

I do betcha that, behind the scenes, the home team takes care of the fan either through medical $$$ and/or season tickets.
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NHL caved on that, unfortunately. New precedent, which goes against all common sense.
 
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joecct said:
The ticket says bearer assumes all risk. It has the same wording since I was a kid. How can they sue and win?

I do betcha that, behind the scenes, the home team takes care of the fan either through medical $$$ and/or season tickets.
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Waivers are almost always meaningless. If you sign a waiver (or impliedly accept one by using a ticket), that doesn't excuse conduct that happens because of the other person's negligence.

The bigger catch is people have been attempting to sue baseball teams for decades. There are numerous court cases specifically on point regarding the netting and how failing to extend it farther down the lines is not negligence.
 
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Brenthoven said:
NHL caved on that, unfortunately. New precedent, which goes against all common sense.
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If common sense is going to be the legal standard, then all common sense precautions need to be taken by the entities inviting the general public in.
 
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unofan said:
Waivers are almost always meaningless. If you sign a waiver (or impliedly accept one by using a ticket), that doesn't excuse conduct that happens because of the other person's negligence.

The bigger catch is people have been attempting to sue baseball teams for decades. There are numerous court cases specifically on point regarding the netting and how failing to extend it farther down the lines is not negligence.
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Then I refer back to the NHL, which had the same waivers/etc. Either they had crappy lawyers, or waivers don't mean crap anymore.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Then I refer back to the NHL, which had the same waivers/etc. Either they had crappy lawyers, or waivers don't mean crap anymore.
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Or they were going to get stuck with a whole lot of negative publicity.
 
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