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Minnesota Women's Hockey 2025-26

There's a thought that's been in and out of my brain since the Mankato series in November. And it's "If Minnesota is the clear #3, how bad is the #4?"

Now Minnesota didn't lose this weekend but they did get outshot in both games against St. Thomas (not badly in either contest but still concerning). 4-1 win yesterday and shootout win today. And that question still lingers.
 
There's a thought that's been in and out of my brain since the Mankato series in November. And it's "If Minnesota is the clear #3, how bad is the #4?"

Now Minnesota didn't lose this weekend but they did get outshot in both games against St. Thomas (not badly in either contest but still concerning). 4-1 win yesterday and shootout win today. And that question still lingers.
Penn State has edged uncomfortably close to Minn in the NPI.
 
Penn State has edged uncomfortably close to Minn in the NPI.
It's been odd how Penn State has not suffered in the rankings such as no change when swept by Ohio State. Now I have nothing to back up what I'm going to say other than my own suspicion and that is the rankings are being crafted so as the host school of the Frozen Four they want Penn State to also host a regional. I just can't get that thought out of my head.
 
It's been odd how Penn State has not suffered in the rankings such as no change when swept by Ohio State. Now I have nothing to back up what I'm going to say other than my own suspicion and that is the rankings are being crafted so as the host school of the Frozen Four they want Penn State to also host a regional. I just can't get that thought out of my head.
I have to respectfully disagree; I think that Penn State has been dominant in their conference and has some impressive non-conference wins. They won against Cornell x2, home and road, and had a split with Northeastern. Cornell has moved a bit downward in NPI, but Northeastern is still fifth. #4 or 5 Penn State getting swept by then-#2 Ohio State and not losing much ground in the NPI makes some sense given it is not an upset. There's the theme too throughout the season of how far ahead of the rest of the pack Ohio State and Wisconsin have been, with some talking here this year and prior years about the NCAA tournament as a "two-horse race" or the like. So it makes sense that a loss to one of those two teams wouldn't move the rankings much.

Concerning the design of the tournament, it would be interesting if Penn State hosts a prior round too, but I don't think that is all that intentional for the tournament committee, at least for this year in particular. For example, Sacred Heart is hosting the Frozen Four in a couple years and probably is not close to an auto-bid in the next several years, at least, given NEWHA teams' current non-conference records. Do the tournament organizers give the FF to teams that are likelier to make it to that round than some teams are? Perhaps.
 
It's been odd how Penn State has not suffered in the rankings such as no change when swept by Ohio State. Now I have nothing to back up what I'm going to say other than my own suspicion and that is the rankings are being crafted so as the host school of the Frozen Four they want Penn State to also host a regional. I just can't get that thought out of my head.
The NPI is straight up math. The formula is set, and it can't be "cooked" after the fact. Grant, aka TonyTheTiger, will - I assume - have his bracket predictor up in a few weeks, and that with have duplicated the USCHO NPI calculation (which, if I'm not mistaken, is itself a "duplication" of the unpublished committee NPI.)
 
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Can anyone tell me if it is normal to 'roll back the game clock' after a successful challenge for head contact, like they did at the end of the second period? Why not just go to the third period with the five minute power play starting off at 20:00 on the clock.
 
It does NOT get set back !
Of course the WCHA dipshits that work the games don’t know that.
We've all seen instances mid-period when to doesn't 'reset' the clock. My only question is if there is some exception when it comes, as it did, at the end of a period. I don't see why it would, but Robert Ludwig has been at this a long, long time.
 
Just go back to the National Championship… the falling on the puck happened at 0:59… the challenge at 18.9 and the clock was CORRECTLY not set back to the time of the infraction.
In NCAA the only clock reset happens if it was goal scored and not observed by the numbnuts on the ice.
 
I had the privilege of seeing and speaking with Crazy Dave at this weekends games. That's real dedication to make the trip to Columbus. I usually see Eeyore here as well but I heard he's been under the weather. I hope he's recovered and feeling well soon, a super Gopher fan!
 
Just go back to the National Championship… the falling on the puck happened at 0:59… the challenge at 18.9 and the clock was CORRECTLY not set back to the time of the infraction.
In NCAA the only clock reset happens if it was goal scored and not observed by the numbnuts on the ice.
As I said, we've all seen challenges issued "mid-period". The odd circumstance here is that the challenge was issued after the period had otherwise come to an end. I don't see why that would make any difference, but..,
 
So, where does this program stand?

The Gophers are pretty comfortably the third best team in the WCHA, and the third best team in the country. NPI has a known issue of overrating a good team that puts up a great record against a weaker slate of opponents. Penn State isn't as close to Minnesota as it looks, and Ohio State is narrowly but clearly better than Minnesota.

The question is why this is true not just this year, but over the last five years and it looks like it will be true next year. Coaching affects a team in four ways: recruiting; building a culture; player development; and on ice tactics. In college sports, recruiting is by far the most important. That's not the fun answer, but it's true.

I have some questions about the culture Brad Frost has developed. There are too many games where the Gophers just fail to show up. The first game against Ohio State, the second in Madison, and the lost weekend against Mankato. They did play well in both games this weekend, but Ohio State is just a bit better. But the biggest issue is pretty clearly the recruiting. Player development is at least average, and I have no problem with the tactics, aside from covering my face when the breakout bogs down with passes behind the net.

Over the last decade, Frost and his staff have been lazy recruiting players to Minneapolis. They haven't done as well in getting the top athletes from Minnesota, and haven't adjusted to the rest of the country producing more talent relative to their homeland. They've started bringing in more Europeans, but everyone else is now doing the same. Frost also seems indecisive about how heavily he wants to rely on the transfer portal versus bringing in freshmen. My personal preference on that is to do the latter, as it makes rooting for the team more fun if the players are around for four years, but no one can just ignore transfers anymore. Recruiting high school students also takes more effort, which I haven't seen signs of from this staff.

The era when Minnesota coaches could just rely on mystique and local kids to just produce a championship level team are over. I don't think Frost has adapted well. The advantages Minnesota has allow it to remain near the top, but not at it. All of the Big 10 schools have resources that no one else can compete with, giving them a huge leg up. It's not an accident that it looks like all four NCAA quarterfinals will be at Big Ten rinks. Frost is coasting off of that. I do think that there's something deeper going on and that suboptimal choices are being made about who to bring in, but I don't know exactly what that is.

The decline in Minnesota's fortunes coincides with the departure of Nadine Muzerall to Ohio State, and I'm pretty sure that there is a causal relationship there. That said, there are aspects of Muzerall's approach that I find distasteful, so I wouldn't be interested in a trade of coaching staffs, even if it meant more winning

I don't see much prospect of things changing in the near future. Brad Frost is who he is, so I don't think it will or even can change so long as he's in charge. The program is successful enough that I don't seem him getting fired, and I'm not sure I want to get on to that treadmill anyway. This is the team that we have.

What to do about it? As I said, I think the problems, such as they are, are in the coaching staff. The players are, I think, giving it their all, so I don't want to start slagging them and being constantly critical of their play. I think that there may be a financial day of reckoning coming for the Minnesotas and Wisconsins of the world when the Michigans, Ohio States, and Penn States decide that they don't need to share the vast football revenues with schools that don't pull their weight in that regard. That may force a change.

In the meantime, I enjoy watching this team play. There are many worse things than spending my time rooting for the 3rd to 5th best team in the country that goes to the Frozen Four more often than not and could be a bounce or two away from playing for the national championship. I don't have a lot of use for the Gopher fans that are determined to keep bitching about how bad they are. They aren't bad. They're really good. They just aren't one of the two best teams in the country. I can live with that.
 
I had the privilege of seeing and speaking with Crazy Dave at this weekends games. That's real dedication to make the trip to Columbus. I usually see Eeyore here as well but I heard he's been under the weather. I hope he's recovered and feeling well soon, a super Gopher fan!
I made it as far as Ann Arbor, but my annual six weeks of cough and congestion hit particularly hard, and I drove back to Minneapolis on Thursday.
 
Considering that Frost doesn't have a contract for next year I'm choosing to believe that they're waiting to see how the rest of this season plays out before deciding (although I do not think it's championship-or-bust). If he had a deal it would almost certainly be wishful thinking. But I feel that the reaction to an extension announcement would be almost-universally "Why?"

I'm of two minds about the recruiting. First is that it's clear that many Minnesotans don't want to play for the Gophers or this version of them. When it was Bobrowski leading the way for recruiting and possibly even into the Johnson years before that, there were some players brought in or signed when you couldn't land the big ones who quickly transferred out. Under Jess Scott, the focus has been more on recruiting out-of-state because the same problems persist in-state, which to me is preferable to doubling down and taking big swings on lower-upside players. But the hurdle of the local recruiting issues is real, and you have to be perfect in basically every facet to completely overcome that.

The one skater who can actually take over a game on this team is Murphy, and she's gone in a month. So are a few of the other high scorers. While Primerano has certainly shown flashes of that kind of ability and Fanale has earned the trust of the coaching staff in year 1, with the losses it really doesn't look like next year's team will be deep enough unless one or both of them (not wanting to put too much pressure on Milani right away) proves herself to be in that class. (As an aside, it looks like you have to get to that level as an out-of-stater for the provincial fanbase to really believe in you. The men have that same issue and probably worse so.)

Despite that, I think the development has been better this year than in years past (see: Distad's breakout, Lindsay becoming what could be a 50-point player, Kreisz being the likely next captain, the aforementioned Fanale). There doesn't seem to be an obvious transfer candidate (if the staff doesn't turn over), which would be a welcome change and a belief in the buy-in. Although that's probably unlikely.

I think being the sustained third-best team in the country is only a problem if the teams that have left you in the dust are teams you see all the time. Unfortunately, that is very much the case.

But I do believe that having gone the entirety of the Heise era and then the entire Murphy era with just a single measly national championship game appearance means that a head has to roll. Unfair, maybe, but that's how I see it. Clarkson's won a title more recently. Northeastern and, more relevantly, Duluth have been to the title game more recently. And there's only one head that has been there the entire time.

Still time to change the fates, Frosty!
 
I don't have a lot of use for the Gopher fans that are determined to keep bitching about how bad they are. They aren't bad. They're really good. They just aren't one of the two best teams in the country. I can live with that.

Are there still Gopher fans who really give a you know what anymore about how supposedly good or bad they are? I know it is becoming less and less so with me.
 
I still care, but far less than six years ago when I'd go to almost all home games and about half on the road. Now, I can get lost making a lap around the concourse. At this point, I'll just hold my remaining thoughts for the future until the 2025-26 campaign wraps up.
 
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