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Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: 2014-2015

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For the regular season I believe it's twenty hours a week and a mandatory day off. No more than 4hrs participation in a day and a competition equals 3 hours.
Not being a math major I need some help.
20 hours a week. In a week with 2 games do you end up with 14 hours available for practice?
 
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Not being a math major I need some help.
20 hours a week. In a week with 2 games do you end up with 14 hours available for practice?

Yes. And those hours would include any and all directed activities like watching film, etc.

Presumably players could practice shooting all they want though on their own. But if any coach suggests that they should do that, or is present when they are, they would be in violation.
 
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It always helps when you can not only shoot the puck, but actually direct it to a specific spot with accuracy and velocity...
Great post. I referenced it on the UNH thread. Man if we could just pick a spot and hit it...
 
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Man if we could just pick a spot and hit it...
...while under pressure at a critical juncture in the game with opponents often coming at you from multiple directions! A lot different than being able to do during drills and warm-ups.
 
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...while under pressure at a critical juncture in the game with opponents often coming at you from multiple directions! A lot different than being able to do during drills and warm-ups.
No Doubt. I have seen NCAA D1 players do it though. Some who even played for UNH in the not too distant past.
 
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No Doubt. I have seen NCAA D1 players do it though. Some who even played for UNH in the not too distant past.

That's correct and it happens all the time. They use the same basic practice format in college we used in the ECHL. They integrate shot practice with full on offensive drills (3 on 2, 2 on 2, rush sorts, etc.) so you get game time experience playmaking and shooting under duress...it's normal. But even shooting a couple hundred pucks every practice will build an auto reflex to hit your spot under pressure without even thinking about it. That's how I developed my snap, which was about as hard as C. Reilly's one timer with 90% accuracy from just inside the dots.

Along with the core drills, there's always some emphasis or theme each week in practice on certain aspects of team play that need improvement or development, special systems prep for next opponent, etc. The fact that the Gophers are making the same mistakes every game with poor shot selection tells me they're not emphasizing it enough.

As far as the penalty shot is concerned, I think Lucia made the right decision, but I would not have chosen Ambroz. Seth's game is way off this season and he looks like a freight train out there with very little finesse in his game. Even Rau going 5 hole on a couple shootouts looked very predictable. I would have gone with Kloos who IMO has the best hands/deke/shot combo.

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“We’ve been saying this over and over. The more quality repetitions you get with any given skill, the easier it will be to turn that skill into instinct.” Thompson, Harry “The Numbers Game,” American Hockey Magazine, October 2002. IMO that's the difference between "coaching to win" and "coaching to develop skills". The former emphasizes systems play, the latter emphasizes individual skill development that translates into Ws.
 
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That's correct and it happens all the time. They use the same basic practice format in college we used in the ECHL. They integrate shot practice with full on offensive drills (3 on 2, 2 on 2, rush sorts, etc.) so you get game time experience playmaking and shooting under duress...it's normal. But even shooting a couple hundred pucks every practice will build an auto reflex to hit your spot under pressure without even thinking about it. That's how I developed my snap, which was about as hard as C. Reilly's one timer with 90% accuracy from just inside the dots.

Along with the core drills, there's always some emphasis or theme each week in practice on certain aspects of team play that need improvement or development, special systems prep for next opponent, etc. The fact that the Gophers are making the same mistakes every game with poor shot selection tells me they're not emphasizing it enough.

As far as the penalty shot is concerned, I think Lucia made the right decision, but I would not have chosen Ambroz. Seth's game is way off this season and he looks like a freight train out there with very little finesse in his game. Even Rau going 5 hole on a couple shootouts looked very predictable. I would have gone with Kloos who IMO has the best hands/deke/shot combo.

You can't replicate game situation in practice. The goal is to get as close as possible, but you are never going to get it equivalent. Ideally you are able to get guys in the right frame of mind where they can replicate in games what they do in practice, but that isn't always something within the coaches control. A coach can facilitate, but rarely can they dictate, a strong game-time mental state. That falls on the shoulders of individual players and leaders.

I'd note that I am not a Lucia fan-boy. There are things that I see and hear that I don't really care for (and that is not limited to just this season). But the team's struggles in converting quality opportunities into goals isn't an area that I fault the coaching staff. The players have to bear the responsibility for the failure to cash in on the opportunities for success that they have been put in the position for.



Ambroz scored a shoot-out goal at a critical point just a few weeks ago. He scored a nice goal earlier that game. He had the highest percentage of success in penalty shots of anyone on the team going into the game. He, according to the coaching staff, routinely looks good in practice situation taking those kinds of reps. Given all that, he seemed as good (if not the best) of an option as anyone.
 
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Yeah it's not like these players can't shoot, every team and even the best players in the world go through shooting cold streaks that can last an entire season (look at the Capitals sh% last year sans Ovechkin, they were shooting like 3% at even strength for a while). That isn't the case here, the Gophers are #17 in the nation in terms of sh% at 9.8% which is a bit down from last year but not terrible by any means. I doubt we'd be talking about shooting and the losses/ties where we can't score if it wasn't for games like the Mankato game, the 2nd Michigan game, Northeastern, SCSU, first Duluth game of the home and home etc., where the team just completely laid an egg and got outplayed and looked completely unhinged. In none of those games were they even close to being the better team, that is a bigger issue than the few games where they couldn't finish.

Realistically you can't expect this team to score on 20% of their shots, it's just not going to happen, even if they still had Bjugstad and Haula. What you should be able to expect is that you can outchance and outplay good (or even bad) teams and that definitely hasn't happened.
 
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You can't replicate game situation in practice.

I'm guessing you have not seen of a lot of ice time in hockey practices. Because that's completely false.:rolleyes: I've been in hundreds of practices as a player where the coaches ran drills that emulate top speed game situations, half and full ice stop time scrimmages, stacked isolation drills at full speed, etc. I've also run on ice team practices myself and done it. Even summer hockey schools do it quite well. As I stated, it happens all the time.

I'd note that I am not a Lucia fan-boy. There are things that I see and hear that I don't really care for (and that is not limited to just this season). But the team's struggles in converting quality opportunities into goals isn't an area that I fault the coaching staff. The players have to bear the responsibility for the failure to cash in on the opportunities for success that they have been put in the position for.

No, the coaches and the players bear equal responsibility for success and failure. Coaches must never be allowed to coach with impunity. The responsibility of the coaching staff is to mandate time for individual skill and team development in practice sessions, especially when glaring weaknesses like poor shot selection perpetuates week after week. Since the Gophers continue making the same mistakes, I suspect that's not happening.

As Travis Boyd stated recently, if we don't change, we're going to continue making the same mistakes every week...more reps = greater shot accuracy. It's the responsibility of whoever runs the practices to mandate time to fix it...that's what they're paid to do. It's a players responsibility to give their absolute best effort in practice to learn and improve their game to contribute to the team's success.

Ambroz scored a shoot-out goal at a critical point just a few weeks ago. He scored a nice goal earlier that game. He had the highest percentage of success in penalty shots of anyone on the team going into the game. He, according to the coaching staff, routinely looks good in practice situation taking those kinds of reps. Given all that, he seemed as good (if not the best) of an option as anyone.

Ambroz's goal was a garbage goal rebound off a blueline shot and was not due to any extraordinary skill move on his part. The puck bounced in front of him, he shot a backhand without even looking and fortunately it went in.

"He had the highest percentage of success in penalty shots of anyone on the team going into the game"? Not sure what you're referring to here, but to my knowledge no one has scored on a penalty shot for the Gophers in three seasons.

Overall, the Gophers are 0/5 in shootouts and this season have a shootout goal/attempt percentage of 22% (2/9) vs 45% for opponents. So choose Ambroz because he made 1 out of the 2?:D That makes no sense at all.

Ambroz is clearly having a down year and based upon what I've seen from him this season, he would definitely not be my first choice for the penalty shot. Kloos, Boyd and maybe even C. Reilly have all proven they have much better hands, moves and scoring potential than Seth Ambroz. IMO that's the criteria for your decision to give you the best shot, not Ambroz scored a goal earlier or he scored one of our shootout goals last week. And in reality he choked on it, didn't he?

Yeah it's not like these players can't shoot, every team and even the best players in the world go through shooting cold streaks that can last an entire season (look at the Capitals sh% last year sans Ovechkin, they were shooting like 3% at even strength for a while). That isn't the case here, the Gophers are #17 in the nation in terms of sh% at 9.8% which is a bit down from last year but not terrible by any means.

You're using the wrong stat to make your argument. They're 32th in even strength goals this season. Last season they were 4th. Arguably, there are several problems with this team, but not consistently burying their 5 x 5 opportunities because of poor shot selection and accuracy is a major one.

Realistically you can't expect this team to score on 20% of their shots, it's just not going to happen, even if they still had Bjugstad and Haula.

No one consistently expects 20%.:rolleyes: Using G/SOG without controlling for the confound, they averaged 7% in the last 8 games. Michigan currently leads the nation with 12.4%. With the Gophers currently averaging 33 SOG/game, that's an average of 2.31 goals/game. That's a formula for a losing season.
 
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I wish that the issues with this team were simply something that can be fixed with extra attention to detail in practice, etc.

But this team is plagued by chemistry/relationship issues and it is having major impact on everything. But none of this will ever be discussed in post-game interviews, radio shows with the coach, etc.

Before the season, I never would have envisioned the cluster****** that it has become behind the scenes this year.

The "leadership" of many of the upperclassmen this year is about the worst I have seen since the days of Wyatt Smith (who treated young guys like lepers at the end of the Woog years).
 
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Shots of tequila and fat chicks, those 2 things could bring this team together.

Simple but effective.
 
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I wish that the issues with this team were simply something that can be fixed with extra attention to detail in practice, etc.

But this team is plagued by chemistry/relationship issues and it is having major impact on everything. But none of this will ever be discussed in post-game interviews, radio shows with the coach, etc.

Before the season, I never would have envisioned the cluster****** that it has become behind the scenes this year.

The "leadership" of many of the upperclassmen this year is about the worst I have seen since the days of Wyatt Smith (who treated young guys like lepers at the end of the Woog years).

Can Kowalska lend them his cabin?
 
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Hammy, totally see what you are saying....not much a coach can do without leaders whom are "we" guys who take pride in wearing the "m" and are willing to put individual accolades above team success.....The coaches at the U know what it takes to be champions...the players have got in their own way this year....IMHO
 
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I wish that the issues with this team were simply something that can be fixed with extra attention to detail in practice, etc.

But this team is plagued by chemistry/relationship issues and it is having major impact on everything. But none of this will ever be discussed in post-game interviews, radio shows with the coach, etc.

Before the season, I never would have envisioned the cluster****** that it has become behind the scenes this year.

The "leadership" of many of the upperclassmen this year is about the worst I have seen since the days of Wyatt Smith (who treated young guys like lepers at the end of the Woog years).

I wish I could say I was surprised.
 
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I wish that the issues with this team were simply something that can be fixed with extra attention to detail in practice, etc.

But this team is plagued by chemistry/relationship issues and it is having major impact on everything. But none of this will ever be discussed in post-game interviews, radio shows with the coach, etc.

Before the season, I never would have envisioned the cluster****** that it has become behind the scenes this year.

The "leadership" of many of the upperclassmen this year is about the worst I have seen since the days of Wyatt Smith (who treated young guys like lepers at the end of the Woog years).
It's too bad for the kids who are putting in the effort.

Minnesota has one of those teams where the upperclassmen are not necessarily going to be the top line guys. But teams like that can be very dangerous if you've got a group of upperclassmen forwards like Ryan Reilly, Isackson, Michaelson, etc..., who are willing to play a role as the "grind line".

Not singling out those guys, because I obviously don't have the information Hammy has, but if you're not willing to play that role, or sit out games when the coach wants to try someone else, it's going to be a long season.
 
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While I know wearing the "C" is not necessarily the same thing as being a leader, wouldn't the coaches pick players that have demonstrated that? Or am I off base here and the players select the captains?

Regardless, it really says something when the leaders on the team can't get anyone to follow. Generally shows a lack of respect - in both directions.
 
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Harley, there are major psychological elements at play in a live game that has season-wide implications, in front of thousands of fans, that simply cannot be recreated in practice. It is impossible to replicate that kind of pressure in practice, and it is very difficult to replicate desperation in practice.
Coaches can develop training programs and plans to build and hone skills. But confidence and a strong frame of mind (which is what it takes to execute under the kind of pressure we are discussing) can only be facilitated by a coach; individual players and team leaders will always have a much greater influence over that than any coach. It's why building a team with the *right* players and not necessarily the *best* players is so crucial.

As for Ambroz, you seem to want to split hairs as to the fact that his attempt on Friday was a penalty shot and not a shoot-out attempt. If that technicality is something you want to base an argument on, you lose credibility in my opinion.
Over the past 2 years, heading into the Mankato game, Ambroz had the highest success rate on penalty shots/shoot-outs. And he scored one just a couple weeks ago. If Lucia was selecting off of past results, Ambroz was a fine choice - which isn't to say there weren't other choices.

I wish that the issues with this team were simply something that can be fixed with extra attention to detail in practice, etc...

...The "leadership" of many of the upperclassmen this year is about the worst I have seen since the days of Wyatt Smith (who treated young guys like lepers at the end of the Woog years).

I don't have the same kind of access to the team that you do, but that is the conclusion I have reached as well. Leadership (or lack thereof) seems to be killing this team.
 
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You're using the wrong stat to make your argument. They're 32th in even strength goals this season. Last season they were 4th. Arguably, there are several problems with this team, but not consistently burying their 5 x 5 opportunities because of poor shot selection and accuracy is a major one.
How do you isolate even strength scoring at the team level? Collegehockeyinc?

And even still, your post was about "finishing" which, as that stat shows, they're doing fine in terms of the season as a whole even though it's not distributed very evenly. The problem is a lot of the games in terms of hot shooting were earlier in the year and in one of the more recent games where they got hot, Wilcox couldn't stop a beach ball. So the idea that they "can't finish" and need to focus all of their attention on shooting pucks at targets in practice or whatever, is kinda silly. What they really need to focus on is what they're doing wrong against teams like Mankato and SCSU and NE where they get outshot and outchanced (mostly at 5x5 I'd expect) and make a ton of mistakes that result in a trainwreck of a game rather than the games v Merrimack and Duluth where they completely outplay a team and get terribly unlucky. Some of that is due to a terrible breakout, not sustaining multiple shots in the attacking zone, sluggish neutral zone play and dumping the puck instead of carrying it (something they've seemingly over-relied on under Lucia for too long, though I don't have the stats to back it), and poor backchecking.

Obviously if there are leadership issues then likely none of this will get fixed but I'd argue that those things and goaltending are bigger issues that can be fixed in practice than issues with "finishing".
 
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Harley, there are major psychological elements at play in a live game that has season-wide implications, in front of thousands of fans, that simply cannot be recreated in practice. It is impossible to replicate that kind of pressure in practice, and it is very difficult to replicate desperation in practice.

If you play this game long enough, my experience is psychologically you often play better in front of a crowd. "Difficult to replicate desperation"? Not at all...especially considering who your coaches are, how they run practices, how much player evaluation is based upon those practices and whether you play, how much you play, and where you play are all hanging in the balance.:) My final comment in regards to the original topic of discussing the Gophers shooting woes is the coaches definitely know how to emulate a game situation for real time shot practice.

As for Ambroz, you seem to want to split hairs as to the fact that his attempt on Friday was a penalty shot and not a shoot-out attempt. If that technicality is something you want to base an argument on, you lose credibility in my opinion.
Over the past 2 years, heading into the Mankato game, Ambroz had the highest success rate on penalty shots/shoot-outs. And he scored one just a couple weeks ago. If Lucia was selecting off of past results, Ambroz was a fine choice - which isn't to say there weren't other choices.

Doesn't matter to me if it's a penalty shot or shootout, he's not high on my list as a "go to guy" in critical game situations like a penalty shot or shootout.

What Ambroz did last year or the year before is insignificant THIS year. As a senior leader, he's one of the biggest disappointments on this team for me thus far. Up until his lucky deflection goal at Michigan a couple weeks ago, he had 1 goal in his last 16 games. Last season at that time he had 9. The devil is in the details and he's seriously regressed.

I disagreed with the coaches decision to put him out there before he even left center ice! I've been around hockey a long time and as it turned out it was one of the worst efforts on a penalty shot I've seen...evah. Time to move on.

How do you isolate even strength scoring at the team level?

G - PPG = ESG
 
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