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Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: 2014-2015

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Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: 2014-2015

tArrogance would say those are fair odds... I wonder how many bets UAF has got?:eek:

I dunno how much odds have changed...I know DHG (NotSoSoberHockeyGuy on here) put $100 on tUMD at 12-1 a while ago. Hell of a value bet, if you ask me.

Vegas relies on names for the most part when it comes to college hockey. I know WI's odds were way out of line when DHG made his bet.
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: 2014-2015

I dunno how much odds have changed...I know DHG (NotSoSoberHockeyGuy on here) put $100 on tUMD at 12-1 a while ago. Hell of a value bet, if you ask me.

Vegas relies on names for the most part when it comes to college hockey. I know WI's odds were way out of line when DHG made his bet.

It obvious that Vegas has it's head up it's you-know-what when they are allowing bets on a team banned from postseason play...
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: 2014-2015

It obvious that Vegas has it's head up it's you-know-what when they are allowing bets on a team banned from postseason play...

True story: at Mandalay in 2003, Gophers repeat title game. Asked to get ONE tv in the sports book for the Gopher title game. Bartender: "Why?" They really have no clue. None.
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: 2014-2015

Weird. A couple of weeks ago Harley said, in giant bold letters, Minnesota no longer controls it's own destiny. He scoffed at my suggestion that if they could get to 22-23 wins they should be in pretty good shape, since historically teams with that number of wins find a way to an at-large bid.

http://collegehockeyranked.com/2015/02/04/tournament-cutlines-revisited/

I see you still don't get it. Yeah weird.:D I'm not going to spend anytime explaining the PWR system to you as you're obviously too lazy and stubborn to try to understand it for yourself. But I will comment on Dahl's statistical methodology and the limitations of his analysis. I don't like doing this on USCHO, as it bores everyone to tears, but since you're such a smart*** I'll hit you over the head with it.

I will begin by stating probability models do not have robust predictability unless they are based upon valid quantitative research designs. Therefore, the absence of key predictor variables at this stage makes Dahl's model dreamy at best.

Dahl is using maximum likelihood estimations to calculate an outcome variable in a "linear" PWR probability model. The word "linear" is important because it essentially encapsulates the statistical limitations of his analysis. For example, his probability distribution model by default is not based upon a 95% CI, his parameters are not robust enough to assure homogeneity of variance, thus inferences are jeopardized; and that's very significant. Secondly, Dahl is not considering some vitally important factorial levels in his probability distributions, and that's also very significant because it lowers internal validity and reliability which significantly increases the probability of a Type 1 error (for example: teams have wildly different numbers of games remaining in their regular season, from 6 to 12, so their potentials to make big moves will also differ accordingly). Thirdly, the overlap of the distributions (shaded area) must be quantified in preferably Cohen's d to determine effect size, statistical power and causal significance. Since the distribution is two tailed, if I choose to accept Dahl's analysis based upon face validity alone, the Gophers have an equal probability of not making the tournament. Lastly, IF I wanted to spend the time performing a multiple regression procedure to determine statistical probability of the Gophers making the tournament I would base it upon several independent variables, slope and a beta coefficient intercept of THIS (click on UMN) to determine R squared or the portion of variance in the dependent variable explained by the predictors. That computation would make Dahl's model irrelevant.

Even though Dahl's model is fraught with many limitations, he still agrees with my analysis :D:

Who controls their own destiny?

Teams that should make it if they continue to do we’ll are from #7 Michigan Tech down to about #18 Merrimack, which approaches the bubble with a bit over .500 in its remaining games

I'm not trying to flame Jim Dahl here or his work, and in all fairness the statistical methodology of his model might make a bit more sense in several weeks. But right now....no.

This still makes me chuckle :D:

As for my predictions, nowhere have I predicted MN will go 16-0, 12-4 or even make the tournament.

You stated, "As for my predictions, nowhere have I predicted MN will go 16-0, 12-4 or even make the tournament".

Please explain to us your recent post:

"Fine, ignore the playoffs. MN has 16 regular season games left. I guarantee you they go 16-0, and finish the regular season 27-7-2, they are on the right side of the pwr bubble. But of course, we all know they don't even have to do that. But I'll throw a prediction out there. They go 12-4, or maybe 11-3-2 through the end of the regular season, assuming the losses don't come against Wisconsin, or all against OSU, or something like that, they are on the inside looking out when the conference tournament starts."

Yep, that's my prediction. If Minnesota goes 16-0, or even 12-4 or 11-3-2, they make the tournament. Please keep up.

So you make a prediction "assuming" they don't lose to...blah, blah, blah?:rolleyes: Then you deny making the prediction you made only several minutes before. Then you contradict yourself and write some IF ****, when you "guaranteed" it? Then you tell me to "keep up"? Keep up with what you f'kn looney tune!?:D Your mental masturbation?

You seem like a old and confused Whioux fan with a now apparent obsession for the Gophers.
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: 2014-2015

So you make a prediction "assuming" they don't lose to...blah, blah, blah?:rolleyes: Then you deny making the prediction you made only several minutes before. Then you contradict yourself and write some IF ****, when you "guaranteed" it? Then you tell me to "keep up"? Keep up with what you f'kn looney tune!?:D Your mental masturbation?

I did not read this as a prediction on how many games UM will win.
I guarantee you they go 16-0, and finish the regular season 27-7-2, they are on the right side of the pwr bubble.
I read a grammatical error. He either forgot the 'if' or he forgot the comma after "I guarantee you". Look at the sentence structure. He is guaranteeing that if they go undefeated in those 16, they make the tourney, to contradict your statement that they can no longer make the tourney without the B1G autobid. Then he went on to predict that if they win 11 or 12, they still make the tourney.

When he replies that he didn't make a prediction on what would happen for the season, he is correct. He never predicted how many wins they would have and therefore the outcome of making the tourney, just how the rpi would work out IF the season ended a certain way.
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: 2014-2015

I did not read this as a prediction on how many games UM will win. I read a grammatical error. He either forgot the 'if' or he forgot the comma after "I guarantee you". Look at the sentence structure. He is guaranteeing that if they go undefeated in those 16, they make the tourney, to contradict your statement that they can no longer make the tourney without the B1G autobid. Then he went on to predict that if they win 11 or 12, they still make the tourney.

When he replies that he didn't make a prediction on what would happen for the season, he is correct. He never predicted how many wins they would have and therefore the outcome of making the tourney, just how the rpi would work out IF the season ended a certain way.
Exactly. I didn't think my post was that hard to understand, but....

Strangely enough I notice Harley still hasn't come out and said that I'm wrong, that if Minnesota gets those 11 or 12 wins (they picked up one and a tie since my prediction) they still won't make the tournament.
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: 2014-2015

Exactly. I didn't think my post was that hard to understand, but....

Ohhhh...so you wanna backpedal and plead grammatically stupid then?:rolleyes: Twice? I don't buy it.

Strangely enough I notice Harley still hasn't come out and said that I'm wrong, that if Minnesota gets those 11 or 12 wins (they picked up one and a tie since my prediction) they still won't make the tournament.

Depends on how other teams with correlating PWR variables perform who also want to finish their seasons in the same way. But I wouldn't expect you to know that.

Jim Dahl seems to understand it:

Who controls their own destiny?

Teams that should make it if they continue to do we’ll are from #7 Michigan Tech down to about #18 Merrimack, which approaches the bubble with a bit over .500 in its remaining games Those include:

#8 Miami
#9 Denver
#10 Providence
#11 Harvard
#12 Boston College
#13 Mass.-Lowell
#14 Michigan
#15 Quinnipiac
#16 Vermont
#17 Yale
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: 2014-2015

I say if we win 10 of 12 games we make the tourney, not looking at stats or PWR, just a hunch.

We'll see.
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: 2014-2015

I would add that's equally as comforting as your last prediction San.;)
But again, can't quite get yourself to post that we're wrong about a 23 win Minnesota team qualifying for an at-large bid?
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: 2014-2015

One thing you guys can be proud of, though. The team may be in shambles, but your arrogance will most likely survive completely intact.
 
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Did you really think that SJ predicted the team would win 16 straight?
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: 2014-2015

We don't just try... we succeed and put everyone else who compares to shame.

:cool:

If only our players still had reason to have arrogance. That would be double cool. :cool: :cool:
 
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