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Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: 2014-2015

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Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: 2014-2015

You're right, disappointment was probably the wrong choice of words, because it's tied to expectations. With the exception of Isackson's sophomore year, when he managed 20 points, neither one has come close to meeting expectations offensively. Last season just 7 points combined, and this season, so far, 0. Not good.

Well it would be interesting to look at the whole team. Pre-season the vibe was the Gophs had more depth than anyone, with a third line that could be #2 on a lot of teams and a forth better than some 3rds. Now they are suddenly a two line team and the 3rd and 4th are to blame. But I think the expectation would be that all the players would improve with maturity. Has anyone looked at a projection of the top lines and how each player's pace compares to last year? I have a feeling there isn't a lot of improvement throughout. Skjei and Bischoff seem to play consistently better than last year, but that just helps balance out that the D lost experience and doesn't affect the offense a lot. Other than that, I don't feel like many players really made as big of a step as I had hoped/expected. For example, I thought Mike Reilly would just stand out about every game clearly as one of the top few D in the country, much like Leopold and or even Schmidt in his last year, taking control of games when on the ice. He is very good, but I don't feel like he has taken over play at times like those players, at least anymore than he did last season. I don't feel like Cammerata, despite his assists has made a huge jump. He has proven he can score a lot of goals in the past. I realize he excels at passing and is more consistent this year, but would like to see more goals. Even Fasching, up until last weekend, where he was one of the few really trying to make things happen and had a few dominating shifts, I don't think has been as dominant on the puck as I thought he might be. Maybe last weekend was the start for him.

I think through most of the team, has not shown much of a step up from last year, when they were NC runner-up and lost little on offense. If every returning player improves a little, they should be the favorite in the country. It is mostly the same 3rd and 4th line players as last year that took them so far. So you can pick on certain players, but I think the team as a whole needs to learn to play with more and consistent intensity. They have the talent and experience, for the most part, just need to start using it on every line for every minute.
 
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Before our bad weekend, we had been scoring close to 4 goals per game on average. Granted, a sample size of 8 games at that point isn't huge but I can't say that our top guys scoring is my big concern. When you consider that the bulk of that scoring has been done by those guys, I don't think focusing on them is really the way to go. Of course, the top guys need to be the drivers but the depth guys absolutely need to help lighten the load. Our best teams have always had lower lines that added something. When you are getting nothing from the 4th line and your 3rd line is sluggish (at least w/o Boyd), I don't think expecting even more out of the top guys is entirely fair.
 
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Before our bad weekend, we had been scoring close to 4 goals per game on average. Granted, a sample size of 8 games at that point isn't huge but I can't say that our top guys scoring is my big concern. When you consider that the bulk of that scoring has been done by those guys, I don't think focusing on them is really the way to go. Of course, the top guys need to be the drivers but the depth guys absolutely need to help lighten the load. Our best teams have always had lower lines that added something. When you are getting nothing from the 4th line and your 3rd line is sluggish (at least w/o Boyd), I don't think expecting even more out of the top guys is entirely fair.

Wasn't saying just need more from top. Just that whole team hasn't seemed to stepped up from last year as expected. Others seemed to be saying it was all 3rd and 4th line. I think almost every player can perform better and I don't think any forward stands out yet as having taken a big step forward from last year. If half the players improved noticeably from last year, they should be the number one team in the country.
 
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I'll say again, this focus on the 4th line seems ludicrous to me.

This past weekend Rau's line combined for 2 total shots on Friday and 3 total on Saturday (and that includes PP time). By comparison Michaelson - Isackson - R Reilly put up 2 shots on Saturday, and that is with no time on the PP. Not impressive, but of Duluth's 5 goals on the weekend NONE of them came against those 3 players.

On a weekend when your top-6 forwards produce 0 points and your top 3 offensive defensemen produce 0 points it seems crazy to be calling out depth and role players for not producing. I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice to get some points out of the 4th line, but fingering them after this past weekend is just nutty.

I'd also point out that depth players last season didn't put up much on the scoresheet either.
Lettieri had 8pts (2g, 6a) in 37 games, and had stretches of 9 games - 9 games - 7 games (last 7 of the season) with 0pts.
Guertler had 5pts (2g, 3a) in 24 games and didn't record any in the final 7 games of the season.
Serratore, who everyone loved, had 7pts (3g, 4a) in 35 games, had a stretch of 11 games midseason with no points and had no points in the final 9 games.

I haven't seen anything to say that the current 4th line isn't going to be pretty close to those numbers by season's end. They are getting a good percentage of offensive zone time, they are creating havoc around the goal, and most importantly, they aren't getting scored on. Isackson and Michaelson have been on the ice for 1 even strength goal against all season. R Reilly hasn't been on the ice for any goals against.

Of course it would help this team if there were more goals being scored. That's obvious. But if we want to look at what went wrong in the 3 losses, the 4th line isn't the place to start.
 
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Koho, Hammy and Stauber1: you all make great points and provide food for thought - good conversation.

Despite the recent setbacks I'm still optimistic about this team's prospects. I would LOVE to see them put a definitive halt to their recent stretch of subpar play this coming weekend. I don't really care which line or which players lead the way, but I REALLY want to see them beat BC and have some momentum going into the NE game. To come away with a sweep against two very good teams on the road it's pretty obvious that EVERYONE will need to step up and start playing Gopher hockey. A strong finish heading into the long winter break would do wonders for the team's confidence.
 
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When an entire line can't manage one single point in 10 games, are we supposed to lavish praise on it? Of course that line isn't supposed to be a big producer. But we are talking about NO production. C'mon... if you can't call out guys that aren't doing anything to produce, then who can you call out?

If we are going to discuss the big picture (which is what I am focused on... not one weekend vs. UMD), then it would be ridiculous to overlook the fact that one line on the club hasn't even produced anything. If you look at the very best Gopher teams, they would generally have a 4th line that could provide something in that area. We're getting nothing. That has to change if this team is going to go anywhere.

I recognize that the 4th line contribution is never going to be the main reason your team lives or dies in the long run. But it certainly helps take the pressure off the top guys when they know they have some teammates that can pick it up and pitch in occasionally.
 
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I think it's about expectations and consistency within those expectations. It's not realistic to expect any of those guys to hit double digits in points this year. And it doesn't need to be for the team to have a lot of success. They will score a few goals, I'm comfortable saying that based on how we have seen them play so far, but the expectation needs to be more about keeping the puck out of the net and wearing teams down with the forcheck and cycling. I think for the most part they have been pretty consistent in that. Have they been great? No. I agree that they haven't been great. But they have done what they need to do to help the guys around them on the bench do what they need to do to win games. The only area where the 4th liners have failed in that are penalties, and that has been an issue for the entire team (one that hopefully they correct soon). Michaelson has 3 penalties in the 9 games he's played, including a major. R Reilly has 2 in 6 games.

Looking at it historically, last season the guys who played on the 4th line averaged a point once every 5 games. 2 years ago they averaged a point every 4-5, and 3 years ago (when they won the WCHA regular season and went to the FF) the 4th line guys averaged 1 point every 7-8 games.

If the 4th line scores 4 goals in the next 10 games they will be about on pace with the 4th lines from those other teams. Given what we have seen from them so far this year, I think they will be pretty close to that. It's not like they haven't had any opportunities, haven't been creating a couple turnovers each game, or haven't had any pressure around the offensive net. They've done a bit of all those things. The goals will come. In the mean time, I'm most concerned that they stay consistent within the game-by-game expectations.

And cut down on the penalties.
 
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Any of you guys familiar with Baron Thompson and/or Keith Muehlbauer, care to give us Maine fans some info on these guys, what you think of their play etc. If you could comment in the Maine recruits thread we'd appreciate it? Thanks
 
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I'm pretty sure I've see the Eastview kid a couple times and he's good. Should not be out of place in D1.

Thompson is more elite and more of a risk to go to the CHL. Haven't seen him play as he only played one year of MN HS.
 
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I'm pretty sure I've see the Eastview kid a couple times and he's good. Should not be out of place in D1.

Thompson is more elite and more of a risk to go to the CHL. Haven't seen him play as he only played one year of MN HS.

Thanks
Most of the talk on Thompson is using Maine for bargaining chip but ...
 
Now that's what I've been looking for from Vinni, etc. Get some offensive contribution from the lower lines a bit more and good things happen! :)
 
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Now that's what I've been looking for from Vinni, etc. Get some offensive contribution from the lower lines a bit more and good things happen! :)

Also nice to have Skjei back and nice to get two goals from our D. What a nice snipe by Bischoff!
Did Glover ever get back out there after coughing up the puck right in front?
 
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Also nice to have Skjei back and nice to get two goals from our D. What a nice snipe by Bischoff!
Did Glover ever get back out there after coughing up the puck right in front?

Are there highlights available anywhere?
 
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I liked the new line combos with Bristedt with Ambroz and Lettieri, gives some scoring potential with 3 lines again instead of just 2.

Sounded like a good effort last night, havent seen any highlights though. Game is streamed tonight at least.
 
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Skjei may be the one guy MN absolutely needs to be successful. They are a much different - and better - team when he's on the ice.

Good to see Vinnie bury a couple, for as hard as he works it had to be just a matter of time before he started to score but I never thought they'd be snipes. Nice.
 
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I also thought Isackson had his best game of the year. Hoping he can keep it up.
 
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