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Michigan Wolverines 2015-2016 Season

Re: Michigan Wolverines 2015-2016 Season

Interesting theory, have you heard anything to support it? And I'm not trying to be condescending, I'm actually curious. Michigan has played several non-conference games away since leaving the WCHA that are far away. Granted most are slightly closer than Grand Forks by plane...
Find an old-timer who was around in the early '80s. Ask about Don Canham and the two divisions he tried to force on the old WCHA.

Yes, travel expenses are part of the story. That was, in fact, the Michigan party line. Make sure your old-timer is willing to give you a candid assessment of the politics of the situation. It goes beyond that party line. The battle was about more than just money.

It's important to note that this is a matter of history, not a theory. And it's a history worth learning. It has everything to do with why we now have a B1G Hockey Conference. Good off-season project for you.


Sincere congratulations on your conference tourney title and nice showing at the Midwest Regional.
 
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I agree it sucked. I feel like this year's team has struggled back checking and has been notorious for lazy turnovers (usually resulting in a goal). UND capitalized on both of these aspects. Michigan adapted in the 2nd but UND adapted better in the third. I wish Michigan could have played them during the season. I don't ever see it happening but it would be fun for the two teams to be in the same conference again.

Regarding Compher's pass on the UND goal, I feel like Werenski could have done more to get in front of the UND player. Granted I think the goal still would have happened.

As for the CCM line, they shine when they can play a finesse game but I feel like they struggle when forced to play a physical game. I feel both regional games demonstrated this.

This brings me to my hope that everyone returns. I think the entire CCM line could improve with another season as well as Werenski. Could you imagine next year's team if they did? Congratulations to the team on a good season and returning to the NCAAs and not being a one and done like recent B1G teams.

I wish I had some optimism about returns. Conner could get better, but looking at Larkin- he's better at this point, and we are seeing how that is turning out. Compher- I don't have a good feeling he will be back. Motte, probably.

We lose some good players in Neives and Selman. Behind that. I see Warren and Marody stepping up- they are really good players.

On the blue line, I'm sure Werekski is gone- probably will be in Columbus by the end of this week. Downing? Never sure about him- big and physical, but will a pro team want him at this point? And De Jong is graduating.

In net, Nagelvort is back.

Forgive me for not knowing the players who are coming- after a few guys decided to no show on us, I've stopped looking- just seeing what shows up for that first game in October.
 
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2015-2016 Season

Find an old-timer who was around in the early '80s. Ask about Don Canham and the two divisions he tried to force on the old WCHA.

Yes, travel expenses are part of the story. That was, in fact, the Michigan party line. Make sure your old-timer is willing to give you a candid assessment of the politics of the situation. It goes beyond that party line. The battle was about more than just money.

It's important to note that this is a matter of history, not a theory. And it's a history worth learning. It has everything to do with why we now have a B1G Hockey Conference. Good off-season project for you.


Sincere congratulations on your conference tourney title and nice showing at the Midwest Regional.

I'm not a Michigan old-timer, but I am an old-timer. I remember those days well, and they go back even further than the early 80s.

Don Canham was pushing ideas of merging the WCHA and the upstart CCHA as early as the late 1970s. I think money was a huge part of it. I think money always is. "Follow the money" was what MarK Felt told Bob Woodward all those years ago and college athletics is just as power and money-mad as politics. And I think money means saving money, making more money, keeping more of the money pie for yourself, all sorts of things.

Canham's ideas in 1978 seemed quite radical at the time. His explanations for Michigan's eventual move (along with Notre Dame and very shortly after that, MSU and MTU) to the CCHA mentioned most prominently financial considerations, and I think his explanations were valid. I think it was a much simpler time then than it is now, with virtually no considerations of things like media, social or otherwise, or as much of the power five versus non power five vitriol we see now.

I know for Notre Dame it was truly a simple matter of drastically reducing cost and keeping hockey as a D1 sport, or losing it altogether (something that happened anyway two years following the move). We had huge issues with Title IX after the university began admitting women in the fall of 1972 and had been more or less forced to stop funding hockey to comply with rulings being issued in the 1970s dealing with it. The up and down nature of Notre Dame's existence in the WCHA is clearly related to funding. A highly successful 1977 season could not be duplicated in large part because after losing the core of a very good team to graduation Notre Dame drastically cut back recruiting -- including a complete moratorium for a time -- and bad seasons resulted. With that came a huge fall off in attendance and attention. And what followed then was the need -- or perhaps desire -- to reduce costs.

I'm of the opinion that the moves of the late 70s and early 80s were good for the sport. Coupled with Jerry York winning a title at Bowling Green -- the first title not won by one of the schools in either the WCHA or ECAC -- and the formation of Hockey East (along, believe it or not, similar lines of reasoning as the NCHC) college hockey's modern era was ushered in. I am not of the same opinion that the moves we've seen more recently, and the additional moves we are sure to see in the near future, are going to be as good for the overall sport.

It's too bad Don Canham wasn't around a few years ago (he passed away in 2005) to see what has happened in the sport. He would have had some very interesting observations. Canham was a good guy. In my opinion a showman in the very best sense of that word. Unlike subsequent athletic directors at both schools, Canham and Notre Dame's legendary AD Edward "Moose" Krause had a great friendship and relationship.
 
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Well, I'm genuinely sorry that Michigan did not win and advance. I can root for Michigan just fine when Ohio State isn't in it and it also helps when Michigan isn't the team that knocked us out of it. LOL!
If Red is gone I wish he could have gone out on top, he's one hell of a coach and has left a legacy there that will be hard to top.
We'll see you next season when it's back to being rivals! Take care all you Meeechiganders!
 
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2015-2016 Season

Well, that sucked.

Compher may have gotten two goals, but he got an assist to UND's second goal. And the CCM line was on the ice for most of UND's goals.

For the weekend, they were scored on at least 6 times, unless I missed one. For the best line in the country, that's terrible.

Passing was bad all night, too. Given that they figured out ND last night- the fact that they could do nothing, that was a mystery.

They're not the best line in the country. They may be the best offensive line in the country, but they're clearly far from the best if they're allowing six goals in two games.

I don't know why you're acting so surprised. This year's M was your typical Red Berenson project: A totally overrated, defenseless, undisciplined and soft team that rode a weak conference and weak schedule to the upper echelons of Division 1, only to get soundly beat by the first real team it played all season.

Nobody ever challenges the orthodoxy that Red is such a great coach. He's a very good coach that was blessed to have the resources and power of the University of Michigan behind him. He attracts blue chippers because he runs a discipline-less country club that values free-wheeling offense over everything else. Who wouldn't want to play for Red? Play a few years in your AA country club and roll up big numbers against subpar opponents before cashing giant checks in the NHL. Sounds like fun.

Then again, getting yourself dirty in recruiting battles for goalies or recruiting guys who actually played defense was never Red's style. He always preferred the easy way out.
 
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2015-2016 Season

Assuming I didn't miss anything, Michigan and UND have not played each other in hockey since Michigan left the WCHA except in tournaments (in season and post season). Anyone have any actual knowledge on why they don't schedule each other?

Red would rather play Dartmouth, Robert Morris and RPI. Don't worry, he won't play Michigan in-state schools either unless they're all at Yost.
 
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2015-2016 Season

I agree it sucked. I feel like this year's team has struggled back checking and has been notorious for lazy turnovers (usually resulting in a goal). UND capitalized on both of these aspects. Michigan adapted in the 2nd but UND adapted better in the third. I wish Michigan could have played them during the season. I don't ever see it happening but it would be fun for the two teams to be in the same conference again.

Regarding Compher's pass on the UND goal, I feel like Werenski could have done more to get in front of the UND player. Granted I think the goal still would have happened.

As for the CCM line, they shine when they can play a finesse game but I feel like they struggle when forced to play a physical game. I feel both regional games demonstrated this.

This brings me to my hope that everyone returns. I think the entire CCM line could improve with another season as well as Werenski. Could you imagine next year's team if they did? Congratulations to the team on a good season and returning to the NCAAs and not being a one and done like recent B1G teams.

WHY ARE YOU SO SURPRISED? You act like tournament games NEVER come down to defense or that finesse teams never struggle in the tournament. It's like this EVERY YEAR. The real questions are: why didn't Red ever adjust? Why did he always insist on his freewheeling, finesse approach? Same crap every year, that is, if UM is fortunate enough to make the tournament.
 
WHY ARE YOU SO SURPRISED? You act like tournament games NEVER come down to defense or that finesse teams never struggle in the tournament. It's like this EVERY YEAR. The real questions are: why didn't Red ever adjust? Why did he always insist on his freewheeling, finesse approach? Same crap every year, that is, if UM is fortunate enough to make the tournament.

What a sad, obsessed little ****boy you are.

Your posting history is a joke. All you do is troll threads. You're probably an alum (since they're too small to build fanbases) of some D2 ****hole that's bitter about all the red ink coming in from being in a sinking ship league.

Fyi, 23 of the last 26 tournaments. But facts are mean.
 
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2015-2016 Season

WHY ARE YOU SO SURPRISED? You act like tournament games NEVER come down to defense or that finesse teams never struggle in the tournament. It's like this EVERY YEAR. The real questions are: why didn't Red ever adjust? Why did he always insist on his freewheeling, finesse approach? Same crap every year, that is, if UM is fortunate enough to make the tournament.

Not that I"m eager to stand up for Michigan, but I guess Red's never-ending run of offense-only teams explains Michigan's shutout win over one of the best offenses UND has ever had at the FF semis in 2011.
 
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I don't agree with that assertion about Und, but I do agree they were able to create more opportunities than before, For whatever reason. I also thought Michigan did adjust, but it took until early in the third.
 
WHY ARE YOU SO SURPRISED? You act like tournament games NEVER come down to defense or that finesse teams never struggle in the tournament. It's like this EVERY YEAR. The real questions are: why didn't Red ever adjust? Why did he always insist on his freewheeling, finesse approach? Same crap every year, that is, if UM is fortunate enough to make the tournament.
Why do you care so much?!?!

Don't you have a team for yourself?

Your opinion means nothing, so you know.
 
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2015-2016 Season

Your posting history is a joke. All you do is troll threads. You're probably an alum (since they're too small to build fanbases) of some D2 ****hole that's bitter about all the red ink coming in from being in a sinking ship league.

Actually, I believe his first couple posts were in WMU threads.
 
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2015-2016 Season

What a sad, obsessed little ****boy you are.

Your posting history is a joke. All you do is troll threads. You're probably an alum (since they're too small to build fanbases) of some D2 ****hole that's bitter about all the red ink coming in from being in a sinking ship league.

Fyi, 23 of the last 26 tournaments. But facts are mean.

Red must have cheap shot'ed his dad in a pick up game. Otherwise, why would some random fan want to grind a ax like that?
 
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Not that I"m eager to stand up for Michigan, but I guess Red's never-ending run of offense-only teams explains Michigan's shutout win over one of the best offenses UND has ever had at the FF semis in 2011.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
 
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2015-2016 Season

What a sad, obsessed little ****boy you are.

Your posting history is a joke. All you do is troll threads. You're probably an alum (since they're too small to build fanbases) of some D2 ****hole that's bitter about all the red ink coming in from being in a sinking ship league.

Fyi, 23 of the last 26 tournaments. But facts are mean.

Continue with your arrogance. Boy, 23 of the last 26 and only two national titles in that timeframe. I'd call that underachieving.
 
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2015-2016 Season

What a sad, obsessed little ****boy you are.

Your posting history is a joke. All you do is troll threads. You're probably an alum (since they're too small to build fanbases) of some D2 ****hole that's bitter about all the red ink coming in from being in a sinking ship league.

Fyi, 23 of the last 26 tournaments. But facts are mean.

M fans are like New Yorkers: they believe the world revolves around them.
 
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2015-2016 Season

Nice run for the Wolverines. Totally had UND on the ropes till that soft goal broke the 2-2 tie with about 8:00 remaining in the 3rd. That one was a back breaker and gave UND the momentum they so desperate needed at that stage of the game. I believe the momentum shift caused by that goal was largely responsible for the 4th goal that all but sealed it. Would have been nice to get a win there but at least it wasn't the massacre that all of those loudmouth NCHC blowhards said it was going to be.
 
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2015-2016 Season

Nice run for the Wolverines. Totally had UND on the ropes till that soft goal broke the 2-2 tie with about 8:00 remaining in the 3rd. That one was a back breaker and gave UND the momentum they so desperate needed at that stage of the game. I believe the momentum shift caused by that goal was largely responsible for the 4th goal that all but sealed it. Would have been nice to get a win there but at least it wasn't the massacre that all of those loudmouth NCHC blowhards said it was going to be.

Yep, michigan totally had UND on the ropes...
 
Yep, michigan totally had UND on the ropes...

Anybody that has watched hockey regularly going back many decades like I have knows that the longer a game remains close the more it plays to the advantage of the team that is considered the underdog, so yeah without question UND and their big mouth fanbase had to be extremely nervous when that game was tied halfway through the 3rd period. They won, and they deserve credit for that. But they did not put it away early like so many people thought they were going to.
 
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