Funny that think that you're more arrogant than Michigan. You have nothing to be arrogant about (well you are good at hockey but that's it)....
I'm not necessarily proud of it but Michigan is far more arrogant than you, and we have reason to be...
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Michigan Wolverines 2013-14 Season Thread: The B1G Time
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Funny that think that you're more arrogant than Michigan. You have nothing to be arrogant about (well you are good at hockey but that's it)....
I'm not necessarily proud of it but Michigan is far more arrogant than you, and we have reason to be...
West Texas Wolverine
wants to see mountains
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2013-14 Season Thread: The B1G Time
Running the Pairwise predictor: Michigan makes #14 (just above the cut line) if:
Wisc beats OSU
UM-Low beats UNH
WMU beats NoDak
AHA title (RMU/Canisius) doesn't matter
ECAC title (Union/Colgate) doesn't matter
NCHC title (DU/Miami) doesn't matter
WCHA title (Ferris/Minn St) doesn't matter
Michigan would be in, NoDak would be out.
Running the Pairwise predictor: Michigan makes #14 (just above the cut line) if:
Wisc beats OSU
UM-Low beats UNH
WMU beats NoDak
AHA title (RMU/Canisius) doesn't matter
ECAC title (Union/Colgate) doesn't matter
NCHC title (DU/Miami) doesn't matter
WCHA title (Ferris/Minn St) doesn't matter
Michigan would be in, NoDak would be out.
QUAlum2004
Well-known member
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2013-14 Season Thread: The B1G Time
Is that still the case even with North Dakota playing a third place game should they win that?
Is that still the case even with North Dakota playing a third place game should they win that?
West Texas Wolverine
wants to see mountains
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2013-14 Season Thread: The B1G Time
Yes. This calculation includes the NCHC 3rd place game (WMU/NoDak).
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2013-14 Season Thread: The B1G Time
Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
This is merely a guess on my part but now that we have missed the NCAA's for two straight years I think that Coach Berenson will step down. Anyone else have an opinion?
Please note, I am not saying that he should but I recall talking to Gordie several years ago and he told me that his Dad will step-down if he hinders that program. Everything that I know about Coach Berenson is that he is a tremendous man and that Hockey isn't his priority, helping develop great young men is. Two years of missing the tournament looks lik holding back the program to me. Does anyone know how much time is left on his contract?
Wild idea, doesn't it expire the same time as Mel's at Tech? Is that a possibility? Would Mel come home?
Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
This is merely a guess on my part but now that we have missed the NCAA's for two straight years I think that Coach Berenson will step down. Anyone else have an opinion?
Please note, I am not saying that he should but I recall talking to Gordie several years ago and he told me that his Dad will step-down if he hinders that program. Everything that I know about Coach Berenson is that he is a tremendous man and that Hockey isn't his priority, helping develop great young men is. Two years of missing the tournament looks lik holding back the program to me. Does anyone know how much time is left on his contract?
Wild idea, doesn't it expire the same time as Mel's at Tech? Is that a possibility? Would Mel come home?
Huskiefan906
Well-known member
Mel is home!!!
You can try to replace Red and live in mediocrity for a few years. Be careful what you wish for.
MGoBlueHockey
Wolverine Devotee
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2013-14 Season Thread: The B1G Time
We've already seen this porn before with the Football program.
Thing there is that we had a bunch of stooges concerned with their own agendas running the search. TWICE this happened and I wouldn't doubt that it will happen a third.
The AD here does not hire anyone at the HC position without prior HC experience. The overwhelming thought here is that Mel made his little trip up North for a few years to get the experience and then will come back when Red goes out with an NCAA Championship. Yeah, that last part ain't happening.
Notice what happened since Mel left to go up North? Bad things.
And despite the smoke and mirrors of the wins and great players, go back and look at what this program has done since the 1998 NCAA Championship. Tell me that isn't depressing given the talent this program has had come through here.
Jack Johnson. We had Jack ****ing Johnson and couldn't win an NCAA Championship. Kevin Porter, Hensick, Kolarik, Montoya, Cammalleri, Hunwick brothers, Hagelin. Since 1998, Michigan was only on the brink of the National Championship ONCE.
Michigan should have at least two more by now. Winning the conference and conference tournaments as well as getting to the Frozen Four is a great accomplishment. But when you have that kind of talent year in and year out, more is expected.
We've already seen this porn before with the Football program.
Thing there is that we had a bunch of stooges concerned with their own agendas running the search. TWICE this happened and I wouldn't doubt that it will happen a third.
The AD here does not hire anyone at the HC position without prior HC experience. The overwhelming thought here is that Mel made his little trip up North for a few years to get the experience and then will come back when Red goes out with an NCAA Championship. Yeah, that last part ain't happening.
Notice what happened since Mel left to go up North? Bad things.
And despite the smoke and mirrors of the wins and great players, go back and look at what this program has done since the 1998 NCAA Championship. Tell me that isn't depressing given the talent this program has had come through here.
Jack Johnson. We had Jack ****ing Johnson and couldn't win an NCAA Championship. Kevin Porter, Hensick, Kolarik, Montoya, Cammalleri, Hunwick brothers, Hagelin. Since 1998, Michigan was only on the brink of the National Championship ONCE.
Michigan should have at least two more by now. Winning the conference and conference tournaments as well as getting to the Frozen Four is a great accomplishment. But when you have that kind of talent year in and year out, more is expected.
MGoBlueHockey
Wolverine Devotee
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2013-14 Season Thread: The B1G Time
Double post
Double post
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2013-14 Season Thread: The B1G Time
I hate to put reality in your face but Tech isn't a destination...
I hate to put reality in your face but Tech isn't a destination...
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2013-14 Season Thread: The B1G Time
No, I think it is lack of heart. Both Guptill and PDG rode the bus the last two seasons. Making this a "development" case blames coaching. I blame them.
No, I think it is lack of heart. Both Guptill and PDG rode the bus the last two seasons. Making this a "development" case blames coaching. I blame them.
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2013-14 Season Thread: The B1G Time
If that's the case, then it would surely hurt the pay that both players will get- since their play is pretty obvious to see.
Think we are clearing out some less than decent apples?
If that's the case, then it would surely hurt the pay that both players will get- since their play is pretty obvious to see.
Think we are clearing out some less than decent apples?
hockeynut92
New member
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2013-14 Season Thread: The B1G Time
Neither is Michigan hockey at this point.
Neither is Michigan hockey at this point.
wolverineTrumpet
not particularly bad
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2013-14 Season Thread: The B1G Time
As much as I like the scoring touch of a Guptill and PDG, I'd be happier with some solid two way forwards. How many times was Guptill a healthy scratch in his career at Michigan? We know it's not for lack of talent/skill.
Now, someone will have to remind me I said that next season when I wonder why we can't score. We're losing 3 of our top 5 goal scorers/point getters (Moffatt who is graduating and PDG were tied for 2nd with 13 goals each).
I know as Michigan fans our expectation is that we not only should make the NCAA tourney every year, but that we should be competing for the national title every year. For me, only being a fan of the program since 2001, I just assumed making the tourney was easy. Heck, my first several years as a hockey fan, we made the Frozen Four every year.
To go from that to reflecting on the season before Regionals have begun is sad. However, when you look at last year and this year, both teams were just 1 win away from making the tournament. The team finished the year with a winning record in the B1G and overall, 2 wins shy of a 20 win season.
If we start looking to next year, hopefully our goaltenders will only improve. I think Nagelvort improved this season. Both he and Racine are decent. Our D should be pretty solid. Yes, we lose Bennet and Clare, but I think a season with a healthy Lohan and a Downing who has a year of knowing what NCAA refs call as penalties can begin to make up for the loss of those seniors.
Scoring will be the question mark. Copp and Compher will be expected to produce. It'd be good to see Boo get more goals.
Then again, maybe I should just wait to see if anyone else bails before thinking about next season.
Also, how good would this team have been if we had had Trouba for another season?
As much as I like the scoring touch of a Guptill and PDG, I'd be happier with some solid two way forwards. How many times was Guptill a healthy scratch in his career at Michigan? We know it's not for lack of talent/skill.
Now, someone will have to remind me I said that next season when I wonder why we can't score. We're losing 3 of our top 5 goal scorers/point getters (Moffatt who is graduating and PDG were tied for 2nd with 13 goals each).
I know as Michigan fans our expectation is that we not only should make the NCAA tourney every year, but that we should be competing for the national title every year. For me, only being a fan of the program since 2001, I just assumed making the tourney was easy. Heck, my first several years as a hockey fan, we made the Frozen Four every year.
To go from that to reflecting on the season before Regionals have begun is sad. However, when you look at last year and this year, both teams were just 1 win away from making the tournament. The team finished the year with a winning record in the B1G and overall, 2 wins shy of a 20 win season.
If we start looking to next year, hopefully our goaltenders will only improve. I think Nagelvort improved this season. Both he and Racine are decent. Our D should be pretty solid. Yes, we lose Bennet and Clare, but I think a season with a healthy Lohan and a Downing who has a year of knowing what NCAA refs call as penalties can begin to make up for the loss of those seniors.
Scoring will be the question mark. Copp and Compher will be expected to produce. It'd be good to see Boo get more goals.
Then again, maybe I should just wait to see if anyone else bails before thinking about next season.
Also, how good would this team have been if we had had Trouba for another season?
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2013-14 Season Thread: The B1G Time
As much as I agree with Trumpet that we'll miss Di Giuseppe and Guptil's scoring ability, I think it's an addition by subtraction situation here. Let's face it, this team has had an effort issue for two years now. It's a bigger issue than those two guys, but it hurts the team when a couple of your most talented upperclassmen can't be bothered to give full effort. Watch the Minnesota series and you can tell how good those two can be. Then watch the PSU game, with an NCAA tourney bid on the line, and you can see how they've coasted for most of two years.
I think Copp gets it and will have an easier time leading the team next year without those two guys around as seniors. Check out his quote:
"You look at three of the top seeds in the NCAA Regionals and we beat all three of them," Copp said. "It's a matter of finding consistency and a constant desperation instead of just coming into games and figuring we'll win games just by showing up."
As much as I agree with Trumpet that we'll miss Di Giuseppe and Guptil's scoring ability, I think it's an addition by subtraction situation here. Let's face it, this team has had an effort issue for two years now. It's a bigger issue than those two guys, but it hurts the team when a couple of your most talented upperclassmen can't be bothered to give full effort. Watch the Minnesota series and you can tell how good those two can be. Then watch the PSU game, with an NCAA tourney bid on the line, and you can see how they've coasted for most of two years.
I think Copp gets it and will have an easier time leading the team next year without those two guys around as seniors. Check out his quote:
"You look at three of the top seeds in the NCAA Regionals and we beat all three of them," Copp said. "It's a matter of finding consistency and a constant desperation instead of just coming into games and figuring we'll win games just by showing up."
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2013-14 Season Thread: The B1G Time
imho the program really made that expectation. And I actually think it's a pretty reasonable expectation. My first season, 90-91, was the first time Red took the team to the tournament- which had a pretty legondary 3 game series with Cornell (thank you, again, for the cheers), and then lost at BU. The next year, they went to the frozen four, losing to Wisconsin. And it's been in ever since. We've had stretches were we made the frozen four every year, then take a few years off, and back we are. We started getting FF tickets after we got tired of scalping them. After that, we've only done the FF twice- Denver and St. Paul- been close a few times, but that was it.
Anyway, Red built the program, and pretty much defined our expectations with his success. Seems fair, to me.
It would be one thing if we didn't get the talent, and then had seasons where we don't make the tournament. But that's not the problem- even the last two years, the talent has been in place- we've seen it. And the years we've struggled- they had MASSIVE talent- the Jack Johnshon years were a struggle- but he was one of the most talented players who has been here. And the team demonstrated that they *could* be great.
That is the problem- the teams CAN be great. They even show it to us. But they refuse to bring that out enough to win the games they should.
imho the program really made that expectation. And I actually think it's a pretty reasonable expectation. My first season, 90-91, was the first time Red took the team to the tournament- which had a pretty legondary 3 game series with Cornell (thank you, again, for the cheers), and then lost at BU. The next year, they went to the frozen four, losing to Wisconsin. And it's been in ever since. We've had stretches were we made the frozen four every year, then take a few years off, and back we are. We started getting FF tickets after we got tired of scalping them. After that, we've only done the FF twice- Denver and St. Paul- been close a few times, but that was it.
Anyway, Red built the program, and pretty much defined our expectations with his success. Seems fair, to me.
It would be one thing if we didn't get the talent, and then had seasons where we don't make the tournament. But that's not the problem- even the last two years, the talent has been in place- we've seen it. And the years we've struggled- they had MASSIVE talent- the Jack Johnshon years were a struggle- but he was one of the most talented players who has been here. And the team demonstrated that they *could* be great.
That is the problem- the teams CAN be great. They even show it to us. But they refuse to bring that out enough to win the games they should.
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2013-14 Season Thread: The B1G Time
The team has both an effort and a production issue. Those remaining (a lot of unproven/underachieving players) better start adding to the offense or win total, or its more of the same average offense that is a bubble team in more of a rebuilding than reloading mode as Red ends his career.
The team has both an effort and a production issue. Those remaining (a lot of unproven/underachieving players) better start adding to the offense or win total, or its more of the same average offense that is a bubble team in more of a rebuilding than reloading mode as Red ends his career.
Re: Michigan Wolverines 2013-14 Season Thread: The B1G Time
official now, Guptil is gone.
It's being reported that this was 100% expected, since Dallas would lose right in August. PDG was less expected.
More important, it's being reported that nobody else is expected to leave. We'll see.
official now, Guptil is gone.
It's being reported that this was 100% expected, since Dallas would lose right in August. PDG was less expected.
More important, it's being reported that nobody else is expected to leave. We'll see.
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