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Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

Yes, it looks bad to see some of those names and know that they have made the tourney when Tech has not. However I doubt that list is nearly as long if they had to come out of the pre-2013 WCHA to make the tourney. Most of these teams made the tourney by winning their conference tourney, not with a top 16 national ranking. There are several Tech teams since 1981 that I am confident could have won a conference tourney in the ECAC or AH over the years. ECAC seems to be on an up-swing now, but there is a reason they got tagged as the EZAC after so many years of being a bottom rung conference.

Ryan J

woulda, coulda, shoulda. those are just more excuses. Yale and Union have won the last 2 titles. I'm expecting a tourney bid next year.
 
Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

woulda, coulda, shoulda. those are just more excuses.
By your logic programs like Wayne State, Canisius, Robert Morris, RIT, Alabama, Holy Cross, Mercyhurst, Princeton, Niagara, Brown, RPI, etc, etc are better programs because they made the tourney field since 1981?

If MTU had played in the ECAC, CHA or AH the last 30 years, I promise you there would be more than one NCAA tourney appearance. I would much rather play in a tough conference and earn it, than take a cupcake schedule and an autobid to the tourney. Sure Holy Cross made the tourney and beat MN once. Wow. That's the highlight of their program's existence. MTU was playing them and plenty of other good teams 2-4 times every season , year in and year out.

Did I like finishing 8-12th every season? No. But if we took on the best and could only muster a .333 win percentage, I'll take that over beating a bunch of cupcake programs 18 times to get most of your 20 win season. That's part of the reason the WCHA break up really chaps me. Now when Tech does get success, people can just say it's because the "top" programs pulled out.

Ryan J
 
Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

CHA and AHA I'll give you, but then we also wouldn't have recruited some of the players that we did. You are underrating the ECAC, even the ECAC of 10-15 years ago. You can't seriously sit there and tell me that those sad-sack Tech teams that won 6-10 games a year for most of the Watters, Sertich, and Russell years, would've finished in the top 3-4 spots in the ECAC. At least two or three of those squads would've struggled to beat AIC and UAH. Hell, one of those squads went 16-19-4, and actually DID struggle to sweep AIC; at home.
 
Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

By your logic programs like Wayne State, Canisius, Robert Morris, RIT, Alabama, Holy Cross, Mercyhurst, Princeton, Niagara, Brown, RPI, etc, etc are better programs because they made the tourney field since 1981?

If MTU had played in the ECAC, CHA or AH the last 30 years, I promise you there would be more than one NCAA tourney appearance. I would much rather play in a tough conference and earn it, than take a cupcake schedule and an autobid to the tourney. Sure Holy Cross made the tourney and beat MN once. Wow. That's the highlight of their program's existence. MTU was playing them and plenty of other good teams 2-4 times every season , year in and year out.

Did I like finishing 8-12th every season? No. But if we took on the best and could only muster a .333 win percentage, I'll take that over beating a bunch of cupcake programs 18 times to get most of your 20 win season. That's part of the reason the WCHA break up really chaps me. Now when Tech does get success, people can just say it's because the "top" programs pulled out.

Ryan J

There's more parity in college hockey now than ever. I don't care what league you play in. I happen to think the new WCHA is a good league. Get to the tourney and anything can happen. RPI has made the tourney 5 times since 1981, most recently in 2011. RIT made a run to the Frozen 4 back in 2010. Quinnipiac has made the tourney back to back years including the Frozen 4 last year. What about Vermont? Northern has made the tourney 6 times since 81. How about UMass Lowell? Ferris State and Mankato. And now Yale and Union winning the last 2. the list goes on and on. I agree with F2B, some of those teams from the Watters, Sertich, and Russell era were not sniffing a tourney bid playing in another league. Just my opinion.
 
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With all this talk about potential realignment again in the near future, I started wondering if we were in the same boat in the early 80s. Does anyone know the history of why we switched the CCHA and then switched back to the WCHA?
 
Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

With all this talk about potential realignment again in the near future, I started wondering if we were in the same boat in the early 80s. Does anyone know the history of why we switched the CCHA and then switched back to the WCHA?

I always thought it was because Michigan and Michigan State, perennial bottomfeeders at the time, left the WCHA for the easier schedule and lighter travel of the CCHA. Tech felt it "belonged" more in a league with other Michigan schools, so we left for three years, then brought Northern back with us in 1984 when we realized it was a mistake.
 
I always thought it was because Michigan and Michigan State, perennial bottomfeeders at the time, left the WCHA for the easier schedule and lighter travel of the CCHA. Tech felt it "belonged" more in a league with other Michigan schools, so we left for three years, then brought Northern back with us in 1984 when we realized it was a mistake.
That's pretty accurate.
 
Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

Thanks F2B&G, it seems like there are some similarities from back then to now.


Just because it's the offseason here are few notes from surfing the internet on recruits. This isn't really all encompassing, just stuff I saw today.

It looks like Joe Schuldt is still playing in the NAHL playoffs for the Christ Tok and the Austin Bruins.

Dylan Steman and Mark Auk are still playing in the USHL playoffs. Steman had two goals in the last game, both assisted by Mark Auk.

Mason Blacklock and Demico Hannoun are stilling playing in the BCHL playoffs but they're down 3-0.

From the Stillwater Gazette - http://stillwatergazette.com/2014/0...ure-throws-wet-blanket-on-local-sports-teams/
Checking out the SAHS boys’ hockey coaches, we find that first-year head man Matt Doman was a two-time captain for the Wisconsin Badgers. Jay Cates was a captain and leading scorer for the Golden Gophers of Minnesota and Pete Hamilton was a goalie for the Michigan Tech Huskies. Cates and Hamilton are former Ponies standouts. Defenseman Mitch Reinke has signed on to play for Michigan Tech University

From a Penguins Blog - http://www.pensburgh.com/2014/3/31/5566932/prospect-playoff-update-april-edition
Dane Birks and the Merritt Centennials were swept by the Penticton Vees in the 1st round of the BCHL playoffs. Birks played just 1 game and had no Points. He will be moving on to the NCAA to play for Michigan Tech as a Freshman next year.
 
Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

I always thought it was because Michigan and Michigan State, perennial bottomfeeders at the time, left the WCHA for the easier schedule and lighter travel of the CCHA. Tech felt it "belonged" more in a league with other Michigan schools, so we left for three years, then brought Northern back with us in 1984 when we realized it was a mistake.
Don't forget Notre Dame with coach Lefty Smith. They left the WCHA after the 80-81 season for the CCHA. At the time, I found it ironic that these big football schools were whining about travel costs yet little old Tech somehow managed it. It made sense on paper for Tech to join them but it killed our recruiting and after floundering for a few years, we came back to the WCHA and as FTB&G said, brought Northern with us.

All is well with the world now that all three UP schools are together in the same conference. It's too bad the rebel child, Western, didn't join us...
 
Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

Don't forget Notre Dame with coach Lefty Smith. They left the WCHA after the 80-81 season for the CCHA. At the time, I found it ironic that these big football schools were whining about travel costs yet little old Tech somehow managed it. It made sense on paper for Tech to join them but it killed our recruiting and after floundering for a few years, we came back to the WCHA and as FTB&G said, brought Northern with us.

Frankly, I think an ailing MacInnes/his death left Narhgang in a recruiting situation worse than the CCHA move did.
 
Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

Great explanation of what was going on in the early 80s in the WCHA realignment thread, regarding MTUs switch between the WCHA/CCHA.


According to the LSSU thread, Damon Whitten is on campus today.

The LSSU Department of Athletics is in the process of interviewing head hockey coach candidates and two of them will be on campus this week.

LSSU faculty and staff are invited to meet candidate Damon Whitten between 9:30-10:30 a.m. on Wednesday, April 16, and Ron Fogarty between 9:30-10:30 a.m. on Thursday, April 17, in the Taffy Abel Arena's BlueLiner Room.

This introductory meeting is open only to LSSU faculty and staff.
 
Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

Great explanation of what was going on in the early 80s in the WCHA realignment thread, regarding MTUs switch between the WCHA/CCHA.


According to the LSSU thread, Damon Whitten is on campus today.

Yup. Saw it on Twitter as well from the Lake State Hockey account.

"Head Coach candidates on campus this week for interviews. Damon Whitten today and Ron Fogarty tomorrow"

Hopefully it's handled a bit more professionally than the Anchorage job...
 
Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

Shirtless, any updates on who possibly might be signing now that the spring signing period is open?
 
Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

Mark Auk, Joel L'Esperance, Dylan Steman, Jake Jackson (2012)
Joe Schuldt, Dane Birks, Evan Anderson, Mason Blacklock, Matt Roy, Brett Boeing and Demico Hannoun (2013)
Have already signed. The only player I have penciled in for 2014-15 that hasn't signed is Devin Kero.
I don't think anyone else will sign until the early signing period next fall unless there is a new player.
Tristan Rostagno, Travis Brown, Jake Kauppila, Trevor Cope and Angus Redmond are the next likely signings in Fall.
 
Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

Great explanation of what was going on in the early 80s in the WCHA realignment thread, regarding MTUs switch between the WCHA/CCHA.

I had no idea this discussion was going on over here. Glad I could help and clear some things up. I'll add a little more Technical (pun intended) information for reference.

Notre Dame athletic director Ed Krause and Michigan athletic director Don Canham were the figures behind the move to the CCHA. The biggest complaint was travel costs. Canham claimed trips to Colorado Springs, Denver, and Grand Forks were costing between $6,000-10,000 per trip, which was about half the average U.S. salary in the late 1970s. Michigan hockey was still struggling financially from the expensive renovation of Yost into an ice arena. Canham also complained that schools like CC, DU, and UMD were not big draws and that regional schools would produce bigger crowds and better rivalries.

There were some politics at play on the proposed merger of the CCHA and WCHA.

The WCHA rejected applications of admittance from Bowling Green, Lake Superior, and St. Louis around 1975. Soon after the NCAA plan to have CCHA tournament champion St. Louis face Minnesota in a "play-in" game in the 1976 NCAA Tournament was stonewalled by Herb Brooks and other WCHA coaches and administrators. That irked the CCHA schools further. Two years later it was WCHA schools bringing forward five proposals on merging the CCHA and WCHA. But by this time the CCHA had an auto-bid and Bowling Green had just finished third in the national tournament, so the once fledging league had some leverage. Instead of BG, LSSU, and SLU wanting out and in the WCHA, it was Michigan and Notre Dame wanting out and in the CCHA. The CCHA schools didn't have much to lose by sticking with the CCHA except St. Louis, whose attendance and revenue were in a free fall following the lost support of the Solomon family when they sold the Blues and St. Louis Arena to Purina.

Krause and Canham desperately wanted to cut travel costs, so they proposed three different "merge and divide" plans and one plan to simply leave the WCHA for the CCHA. Canham brought forward three plans: a) merge the two leagues and split into two divisions, b) merge the two leagues, add Air Force and Colorado, then split into three divisions, and c) Michigan and Notre Dame leave for the CCHA. Notre Dame and Michigan State had a proposal similar to Canham's A-plan for two divisions, but their plan kept the Big Ten schools all in one division with BG, ND, and WMU.

No agreeable plan was found and the CCHA and WCHA did not merge. Canham and Krause made it very public they were not happy in the WCHA. Michigan Tech with the legendary John MacInnes and Michigan State with new coach Ron Mason did not want to leave the WCHA. However, Canham and Krause stayed true to their word and forced the fate of other programs. In late May 1980, UM and ND announced they were leaving the WCHA for the CCHA. When Michigan left, Michigan State and Michigan Tech felt, for obvious reasons, they had no other choice but to follow UM and ND. MSU and MTU announced about a week or so later in early June they would also leave the WCHA. Tech AD Ted Kearly said at the time he did not want to leave the WCHA, but with long-time rival Michigan moving and 86% of Tech students being from in-state, he felt he needed to stick with the Michigan schools.

Now for some more politics.

With just conference tournaments remaining in the 1982-83 season, Bowling Green was having it's second-best season in school history. BG was ranked No. 2 in the national official NCAA poll with just semi-finals and finals left. The NCAA poll was the precursor to the PairWise rankings. It was a poll conducted by the NCAA selection committee and released every week with about 4-6 weeks left in the season that was meant to make the NCAA selection process transparent. BG head coach Jerry York was on the selection committee that year, but with his team in the hunt for a bid, he resigned and was replaced.

BG ended up losing in overtime to Michigan State in the CCHA championship game. Considering BG had made the tournament the previous season with a worse record and with a loss in the CCHA semifinals, it was thought that a No. 2 ranking by the NCAA and an overtime loss in the championship game would make BG a lock for the tourney. When the bids came out, the WCHA got three bids and only MSU would represent the CCHA. Minnesota-Duluth, a team that had lost in the WCHA semifinals, had seven more losses than BG, and had been barely ranked in the NCAA top ten, was selected over Bowling Green.

It was a huge, huge controversy that nearly every coach in the country spoke out against. To put it in perspective, at a time when the NCAA tournament was only eight teams, half of the six-team WCHA made the tournament in 1983 while only one out 11 CCHA teams were selected. When NCAA committee member and Michigan coach John Giordano revealed that he had received multiple phone calls from multiple WCHA athletic directors pressuring him to vote for UMD over BG, the atmosphere between the CCHA and WCHA got worse.

In a moment of asininity, following the 1983 tournament selection debacle the WCHA thought they would approach the CCHA about a merger of sorts. The WCHA only had six teams and was having difficulty scheduling non-conference games. The CCHA had 11 teams. In a written proposal to the CCHA, the two leagues would keep their names and governance structure, the WCHA would get two CCHA teams (Michigan Tech and Northern Michigan), the two leagues would have an interlocking schedule, and the two conferences would have one large "western hockey" tournament instead of individual conference tournaments. It took the CCHA less than two weeks to vote down the proposal 10-1. Michigan Tech was the lone consenting vote. The NCAA snub was fresh on the minds of the CCHA schools and it probably had some effect on the vote.

Fast forward eight months and Michigan Tech and Northern Michigan announce they will leave the CCHA for the WCHA. It comes as a shock to no one. Michigan Tech said the move by UM, MSU, and ND to the CCHA was a travel cost-saving measure and that any cost savings in the CCHA over the WCHA was nonexistent for MTU. The Huskies also wanted more inter-league play (at the time the CCHA played 30 conference games), which is why they voted for the CCHA-WCHA interlocking merger, and the WCHA just signed an interlocking schedule agreement with the yet-to-be-named Hockey East. It was an easy move for Tech.

An aside regarding Bowling Green's snub from the 1983 tournament. They came back in 1984 and won the NCAA tournament. Who did they beat in the title game? Minnesota-Duluth. Revenge can be sweet.

Looks like I nearly wrote a novella but there's a lot of information to share. I hope you found it worth the read.
 
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Re: Michigan Tech Offseason 2014: Nothing To Say

How did all those WCHA teams get into the 1983 NCAA tournament while the CCHA teams didn't?
 
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How did all those WCHA teams get into the 1983 NCAA tournament while the CCHA teams didn't?

Smoky backroom Selection Committee crap. Same reason Mankato got jobbed a few years back when they awarded a bid to a sub-.500 Wisconsin team who was hosting a regional in Madison.
 
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