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Michigan Tech @ Minnesota State let's wrap this up........

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MavsFan said:
Tech outworked and outhustled our guys tonight, probably deserved to win. Since a tie did absolutely nothing for Mankato, only a win mattered, I will never understand why Hastings didn't pull the goalie late in overtime for the extra attacker.
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A loss would of hurt Minnesota State in the PWR. That's probably why Hastings didn't pull the goalie.
 
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LSSULaker889294 said:
A loss would have hurt Minnesota State in the PWR. That's probably why Hastings didn't pull the goalie.
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A tie at home didn't do us any favors in the pairwise, I'm sure. What's the more likely route for Mankato to get into the NCAA's, by an at-large bid via pairwise, or by winning the conference tourney? And do they have a better shot at winning the conference tourney out of the #1 see or the #2 seed?
 
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I wouldn't pull the goalie and possibly take a loss. The difference between the #1 and the #2 seed in a tournament with this format is very minimal. And yes, losing at home is worse than tying at home to the PWR. Even if it would make no difference in the rankings tonight, not all of the games have been played. It could definitely screw you when it is all said and done.
 
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state of hockey said:
I wouldn't pull the goalie and possibly take a loss. The difference between the #1 and the #2 seed in a tournament with this format is very minimal. And yes, losing at home is worse than tying at home to the PWR. Even if it would make no difference in the rankings tonight, not all of the games have been played. It could definitely screw you when it is all said and done.
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I sincerely hope I'm proven wrong. I'm not one of those who can crunch pairwise numbers, but I really believe that our only path to the NCAA is by winning the conference tourney, and being the higher seed in a championship game is not minimal.
 
MavsFan said:
I sincerely hope I'm proven wrong. I'm not one of those who can crunch pairwise numbers, but I really believe that our only path to the NCAA is by winning the conference tourney, and being the higher seed in a championship game is not minimal.
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You're assuming that the #1 makes it to that game. Even if they do, the advantage is last change. While that isn't something to be downplayed, it hardly makes it impossible for the "road" team to win.
 
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MavsFan said:
I sincerely hope I'm proven wrong. I'm not one of those who can crunch pairwise numbers, but I really believe that our only path to the NCAA is by winning the conference tourney, and being the higher seed in a championship game is not minimal.
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Certainly looks bleak from an at large perspective.Though I do think it's possible. Those 2 losses to providence really hurt.
 
state of hockey said:
You're assuming that the #1 makes it to that game. Even if they do, the advantage is last change. While that isn't something to be downplayed, it hardly makes it impossible for the "road" team to win.
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I'm not assuming anything. I'm just saying that the higher seed in each tournament matchup has an advantage. The only game we would not now have that advantage in would be the championship game, a game I fear we have to get to and win. Don't erect straw men; nowhere did I say it would be impossible to win from the lower seed. I said it would be better to have it, more important than playing for the very slim possibility of getting an at-large bid via the pairwise.
 
Re: Michigan Tech @ Minnesota State let's wrap this up........

MavsFan said:
A tie at home didn't do us any favors in the pairwise, I'm sure. What's the more likely route for Mankato to get into the NCAA's, by an at-large bid via pairwise, or by winning the conference tourney? And do they have a better shot at winning the conference tourney out of the #1 see or the #2 seed?
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The tie dropped them to 17th, a loss would have dropped them to 19th.

I wouldn't look at it as 'more likely' so much as added probability. If they can win their next three games and lose the WCHA championship game, there's a chance they could still get an at-large bid. It's probably not great, but for argument's sake, let's say it's a 25% chance(a pure guess, but seems pretty reasonable).

That means if they make it to the WCHA championship game, which is likely a 50/50 toss-up, their odds of making the tournament improve from 50%(only making it with a win) to about 62%(winning the game or losing and still making it as an at-large). It's a small, but not insignificant difference, and a tiny bit of added insurance.

Also, I'm sure this wasn't a consideration at all in the decision, but another way that tie could come back to help: If they won the WCHA playoffs, but finish 15th or worse in the PWR, they're guaranteed to have to play Minnesota at the X in the first round of the tournament, which is less than desirable. If they can finish ahead of three or four teams that make the tournament, they're in a much better likely in an empty arena in Cincinnati or somewhere.
 
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manurespreader said:
Certainly looks bleak from an at large perspective.Though I do think it's possible. Those 2 losses to providence really hurt.
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Yeah, I would say that losses to Providence and UMD hurt them the most. A split with {PROVICED and win over Duluth would put them in better shape to grab a fourth seed. Tech's record is sub-.500 largely because they had such a huge NC schedule to start the year. However the idea was, let's give the freshman and sophomores a challenge that will hopefully pay dividends over the next 1-2 seasons.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Yeah, I would say that losses to Providence and UMD hurt them the most. A split with {PROVICED and win over Duluth would put them in better shape to grab a fourth seed. Tech's record is sub-.500 largely because they had such a huge NC schedule to start the year. However the idea was, let's give the freshman and sophomores a challenge that will hopefully pay dividends over the next 1-2 seasons.
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and it will. it will. **** it, it will...
 
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