Michigan Tech 2018-19: Who Cares What They Name It, We Want It

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: Michigan Tech 2018-19: Who Cares What They Name It, We Want It

Listening to Joe, hearing what he valves, hearing what his mantra is,... I am not surprised. He had his first losing season in his coaching career, he feels his team didn't improve (weak on the puck, didn't play with grit, didn't have total team buy-in,...). IMHO he is being hard on himself. He is trying to implement a culture and playing style change. (Grittier, team first, solid fundamentals) Listening to what Joe talks about, he wants to be able to go nose to nose with MSU and BGSU weekend in and weekend out. As we saw/hear from this weekend, that didn't happen.

His "D" grade for the team hopefully is a wake-up call to them. We had a lot of youth, but didn't have a lot of grit. I like our guys a lot and best wishes to the seniors. We all saw how we couldn't hold a lead, gave up empty net goals, no one stepping up when we needed that one play,... really hurt us this year. This is not meant to sound down on them, but some growth is needed. It will be interesting to see what Joe does on the recruiting trail.

The troubling part about that story was the player didn't try to improve. To be fair they sounded like someone who doesn't love the sport and is being forced to play/collecting the perks. My hope is they wake up, put in the effort required for them to earn what they want.

I hope Joe and Staff follow their hearts. Keep doing what they know is the right thing to do, even if it isn't easy or unconventional.

I like what Joe is building. I like our guys. Go Huskies!!!

I agree with what you're saying but I do think if he keeps airing these things out in public its going to be more negative than positive for the program.

 

[MTUHuskies]

Re: Michigan Tech 2018-19: Who Cares What They Name It, We Want It

I agree with what you're saying but I do think if he keeps airing these things out in public its going to be more negative than positive for the program.

I agree that he should leave the personal conversations out of it. I very happy he didnt name names.

But I do love when he gets into his stories and we are treated to the little Joeism nuggets like "Walmart Jeans" . I can just imagine Dirk sitting there watching to him get on a roll.

All in all I like what he says. He will probably clean up the edges a little bit as it goes. But I don't think he will change his style.

I like this coach, staff and team.

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[giwan]

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I agree that he should leave the personal conversations out of it. I very happy he didnt name names.
But I do love when he gets into his stories and we are treated to the little Joeism nuggets like "Walmart Jeans" . I can just imagine Dirk sitting there watching to him get on a roll.All in all I like what he says. He will probably clean up the edges a little bit as it goes. But I don't think he will change his style.I like this coach, staff and team.
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Not that Walmart jeans are bad.

 

[Lost_Husky]

Re: Michigan Tech 2018-19: Who Cares What They Name It, We Want It

Not that Walmart jeans are bad.

See he is learning how to be PC.

Can't wait to see who we all bring in and how 2019-2020 will go.

 

[Scrum Bucket]

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I love the insight into the behind the scenes stuff, but I agree that it would be best left private. I would go so far as to say that some players might get upset enough about being publically discussed that it might affect their willingness to buy in. Kind of a screw that guy mentality. I hope not, but if I was hearing my private conversations on air, I'd be feel a little betrayed.

I do like his philosophy and openness though. And I like this team!!!

 

[giwan]

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I love the insight into the behind the scenes stuff, but I agree that it would be best left private. I would go so far as to say that some players might get upset enough about being publically discussed that it might affect their willingness to buy in. Kind of a screw that guy mentality. I hope not, but if I was hearing my private conversations on air, I'd be feel a little betrayed. I do like his philosophy and openness though. And I like this team!!!

Honestly, OK I can see a player maybe getting upset BUT if that's their reason to not buy in then they do not belong. You have to be accountable, and maybe that gets their attention.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Honestly, OK I can see a player maybe getting upset BUT if that's their reason to not buy in then they do not belong. You have to be accountable, and maybe that gets their attention.

You want your boss or leader to publicly talk about a private 1 on 1 conversation on a radio show? Even if he doesn't use your name, that kinda makes it worse because then the negative reflects on more than just you, it reflects on your teammate that fit the description. In the locker room it must create issues between players too.

 

[MTUHuskies]

Re: Michigan Tech 2018-19: Who Cares What They Name It, We Want It

Honestly, OK I can see a player maybe getting upset BUT if that's their reason to not buy in then they do not belong. You have to be accountable, and maybe that gets their attention.

My take is that kid wasn't buying in before he went to talk to Joe. Hence his iceberg comment.

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[bigblue_dl]

Re: Michigan Tech 2018-19: Who Cares What They Name It, We Want It

My take is that kid wasn't buying in before he went to talk to Joe. Hence his iceberg comment.

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And by talking about it publicly, he pretty much killed any chance of that kid buying in going forward. These things take a bit of tact, and Joe hasn't shown that tact, at least in a public-facing way. If you have a player not buying in, your job as coach is to find a way to get through to that player, to teach that player, and to get that player on-board. Going public torpedoes any chance you have of doing any of those things.

Next season, my hope is that the show is re-branded as a generic "coaches show" and Joe is only on occasionally. Get Dallas or Chris or Tyler on there, in hopes that they're much more savvy from a media relations and public relations standpoint.

 

[manurespreader]

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And by talking about it publicly, he pretty much killed any chance of that kid buying in going forward. These things take a bit of tact, and Joe hasn't shown that tact, at least in a public-facing way. If you have a player not buying in, your job as coach is to find a way to get through to that player, to teach that player, and to get that player on-board. Going public torpedoes any chance you have of doing any of those things.

Next season, my hope is that the show is re-branded as a generic "coaches show" and Joe is only on occasionally. Get Dallas or Chris or Tyler on there, in hopes that they're much more savvy from a media relations and public relations standpoint.

The NFL runs a charm school for new head coaches. He should go to it.

 

[MTUHuskies]

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The NFL runs a charm school for new head coaches. He should go to it.

I like Joe's Yooper charm. Don't ruin him.

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[bigblue_dl]

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I like Joe's Yooper charm. Don't ruin him.

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Charm and tact are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Lost_Husky]

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And by talking about it publicly, he pretty much killed any chance of that kid buying in going forward. These things take a bit of tact, and Joe hasn't shown that tact, at least in a public-facing way. If you have a player not buying in, your job as coach is to find a way to get through to that player, to teach that player, and to get that player on-board. Going public torpedoes any chance you have of doing any of those things.

Next season, my hope is that the show is re-branded as a generic "coaches show" and Joe is only on occasionally. Get Dallas or Chris or Tyler on there, in hopes that they're much more savvy from a media relations and public relations standpoint.

I would imagine Joe shared that and gave himself an F because he felt he had failed to get through to that individual. By extrapolation, he isn't/wasn't going to get through to that type of person. He seems to let those things out when he is frustrated, and I don't blame him.

Sometimes something like that is needed to get a player or players into buying in. For me, it might sting to hear, but it would let me know that I need to work on myself and do better. It is a good life lesson for that player.

I think Joe is doing a great job and has a clear vision for the team.

 

[MTUHuskies]

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I would imagine Joe shared that and gave himself an F because he felt he had failed to get through to that individual. By extrapolation, he isn't/wasn't going to get through to that type of person. He seems to let those things out when he is frustrated, and I don't blame him.

Sometimes something like that is needed to get a player or players into buying in. For me, it might sting to hear, but it would let me know that I need to work on myself and do better. It is a good life lesson for that player.

I think Joe is doing a great job and has a clear vision for the team.

Not only that individual, but I'd hope the other guys see that and clean up their own act if necessary.

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[gfmorris]

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Not only that individual, but I'd hope the other guys see that and clean up their own act if necessary.

... or see that Coach will sell them out, too.

It's hard for me to remember what it's like to be half of my age, but I can see where I might get cross with a coach over something. Not all group/team cultures are the same.

GFM

 

[The_Commissioner]

Re: Michigan Tech 2018-19: Who Cares What They Name It, We Want It

I listened to the JSH, maybe for the first time ever, just to get Joe’s rear-view mirror assessment of the recently completed season. I absolutely loved his candor, honesty, deep reflection, and ability to communicate his standards and expectations. There isn’t a pretentious bone in his body. The immediate effect of his comments on me was that if I had son who was a recruit for a D1 hockey program I’d want him playing for Joe. Even though I never met the guy before, I wouldn’t have any hesitation inviting him to come into my organization and speak to my people about teamwork.

Despite some of the reactions in this thread about Joe revealing a conversation with an anonymous player, the story perfectly illustrated Joe’s attitude about selfishness. Much of what Joe said about sacrificing personal goals for the team and about learning to take direction before leading comes right out of the culture one of my sons experienced at the U.S. Military Academy. Obviously Joe recognizes that peer leadership on the ice and in the locker room is critical and I commend him for questioning conventional wisdom about how he should proceed next season.

Finally, anyone who carefully listened to Joe’s remarks and doesn’t have a clear and unmistakable understanding of what he values and expects in a player is an idiot. Anyone on the team, whether player or coach, who can’t or won’t buy in to his philosophy is in the wrong program and should GTFO.

My advice to Coach Shawhan is stay true to your beliefs, be consistent, and trust your gut.

 

[davyd83]

And by talking about it publicly, he pretty much killed any chance of that kid buying in going forward. These things take a bit of tact, and Joe hasn't shown that tact, at least in a public-facing way. If you have a player not buying in, your job as coach is to find a way to get through to that player, to teach that player, and to get that player on-board. Going public torpedoes any chance you have of doing any of those things.

Next season, my hope is that the show is re-branded as a generic "coaches show" and Joe is only on occasionally. Get Dallas or Chris or Tyler on there, in hopes that they're much more savvy from a media relations and public relations standpoint.

Who is “that kid?” No one knows. His identity has not been compromised. However, if you are a player, and the shoe fits...

 

[gfmorris]

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Finally, anyone who carefully listened to Joe’s remarks and doesn’t have a clear and unmistakable understanding of what he values and expects in a player is an idiot. Anyone on the team, whether player or coach, who can’t or won’t buy in to his philosophy is in the wrong program and should GTFO.

Thanks for the scorching hot take! I don't think that people criticizing Coach Shawhan are missing his point and/or are idiots. You can agree with the man's values and disagree with his tactics. I think that healthy criticism of tactics — not people — is also something to be valued.

As to your second point, I do agree. Given the trust of MTU to mold that program, he dang well better have the prerogative.

GFM

 

[giwan]

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And by talking about it publicly, he pretty much killed any chance of that kid buying in going forward. These things take a bit of tact, and Joe hasn't shown that tact, at least in a public-facing way. If you have a player not buying in, your job as coach is to find a way to get through to that player, to teach that player, and to get that player on-board. Going public torpedoes any chance you have of doing any of those things.

Next season, my hope is that the show is re-branded as a generic "coaches show" and Joe is only on occasionally. Get Dallas or Chris or Tyler on there, in hopes that they're much more savvy from a media relations and public relations standpoint.

I disagree, why did he kill that chance. I'm sure Joe has spoken to the kid personally several times, maybe he needs even more of a wake up call, or maybe the kid need to go. Though I can't say I've seen it at Tech, (I could easily be wrong) there are many programs that simply tell a kid, you're not cutting it bye. Which is a MY way or highway approach. Whereas I see Joe's being more of a OUR way approach.

I wouldn't mind hearing from the other coaches on occasion but not for the reason you advocate.

 

[Lost_Husky]

Re: Michigan Tech 2018-19: Who Cares What They Name It, We Want It

I listened to the JSH, maybe for the first time ever, just to get Joe’s rear-view mirror assessment of the recently completed season. I absolutely loved his candor, honesty, deep reflection, and ability to communicate his standards and expectations. There isn’t a pretentious bone in his body. The immediate effect of his comments on me was that if I had son who was a recruit for a D1 hockey program I’d want him playing for Joe. Even though I never met the guy before, I wouldn’t have any hesitation inviting him to come into my organization and speak to my people about teamwork.

Despite some of the reactions in this thread about Joe revealing a conversation with an anonymous player, the story perfectly illustrated Joe’s attitude about selfishness. Much of what Joe said about sacrificing personal goals for the team and about learning to take direction before leading comes right out of the culture one of my sons experienced at the U.S. Military Academy. Obviously Joe recognizes that peer leadership on the ice and in the locker room is critical and I commend him for questioning conventional wisdom about how he should proceed next season.

Finally, anyone who carefully listened to Joe’s remarks and doesn’t have a clear and unmistakable understanding of what he values and expects in a player is an idiot. Anyone on the team, whether player or coach, who can’t or won’t buy in to his philosophy is in the wrong program and should GTFO.

My advice to Coach Shawhan is stay true to your beliefs, be consistent, and trust your gut.

Great take! I couldn't agree more.