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Michigan Tech 2017-18 The Joe Shawhan Era Continues - Getting Better Everyday

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rustedblades said:
Looks like Munson made the trip also. Couldn't see the other goalie. Going to be interesting to see who starts.


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Beydoun's bag and pads were in yesterday's photo.

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MTUHuskies said:
Beydoun's bag and pads were in yesterday's photo.

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Not the combination I expected. THG gives a scathing review of the coaches handling of the goaltending thus far. It will be interesting if this weekend adds fuel to that fire.


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Beydoun's bag and pads were in yesterday's photo.

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It is possible that because of limited skaters that they brought all 3 goalies. That happen once in the Russell era where they brought Corson Cramer to Alaska bc they had a spot.
 
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rustedblades said:
Not the combination I expected. THG gives a scathing review of the coaches handling of the goaltending thus far. It will be interesting if this weekend adds fuel to that fire.


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Normally THG does a very good job with there articles. Unfortunately this was not one of them. If the reporter had listened to the JSH, they would have heard Joe say (I'm paraphrasing here) he went with Packy because Kero struggles with shots outside of "home" ice, which is where FSU scores most of their goals from. Kero is an athletic goalie that has very good movement in the crease. Packy generally does well with stopping shots outside of "home" ice. His hypothesis failed. I don't call that bad coaching, that is bad luck. When it works, he is a genius. When it doesn't, he's a goat. A coach's job is to put his players in a position to succeed. I believe Joe has done that, and our guys are doing their best. This team has fight.
 
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Lost_Husky said:
Normally THG does a very good job with there articles. Unfortunately this was not one of them. If the reporter had listened to the JSH, they would have heard Joe say (I'm paraphrasing here) he went with Packy because Kero struggles with shots outside of "home" ice, which is where FSU scores most of their goals from. Kero is an athletic goalie that has very good movement in the crease. Packy generally does well with stopping shots outside of "home" ice. His hypothesis failed. I don't call that bad coaching, that is bad luck. When it works, he is a genius. When it doesn't, he's a goat. A coach's job is to put his players in a position to succeed. I believe Joe has done that, and our guys are doing their best. This team has fight.
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Like the coach, I feel competition is a great thing, however I believe in the MTU goaltending situation the perceived competition may be more that the goaltenders can handle. You've got Kero with 5 career games under his belt prior to this season, all early last season. You've got Munson who didn't play a single game last year. You have Beydoun who split with his goaltending partner last year in Waterloo and did quite well the last month of the season but with no NCAA experience. I realize a lot of people say you need to just go out there and do your job but goaltending is probably the toughest position on the team and the most mental. I think with the limited to no NCAA experience, it would take all of them a while to get up to speed. Logically Munson, with the most experience got the first nod and was given ample time to show what he had. IMHO he has not stepped up. Beydoun gets an early shot, doesn't last but comes in in December / January and does ok but loses against BGSU in the GLI. Doesn't see action again. Kero gets L-T against BGSU at home in November, doesn't see any meaningfull action until Vegas goes W-L-W-W from there and he is out. I tend to agree with THG that maybe the goaltending situation has been a little mishandled, not sure in the coaches position I could justify doing anything else but from a mental side of the game I'd say it has been tough on all 3 of the guys. I know the fix to the problem is just stop the puck but as coach has said on numerous occassions, you've got that fear of always dropping back to 3rd if you don't perform. Is that too much pressure for a group of guys with very limited experience. As mentioned previously my opinion is they need to pick a guy and run with him. Maybe at this point it should be Beydoun since he has the most hockey left of the three.

It is my feeling that if this juggling act continues MTU's chances of making a meaningful playoff run are zero.

I do like this team and I do like the coaching staff! Wish I could find a way to like the goaltending!

Go Huskies!
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
It is possible that because of limited skaters that they brought all 3 goalies. That happen once in the Russell era where they brought Corson Cramer to Alaska bc they had a spot.
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UAH did this a number of times last season when we were struggling to put 19 healthy (and not suspended) skaters on a bus or plane.

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Lost_Husky said:
Normally THG does a very good job with there articles. Unfortunately this was not one of them. If the reporter had listened to the JSH, they would have heard Joe say (I'm paraphrasing here) he went with Packy because Kero struggles with shots outside of "home" ice, which is where FSU scores most of their goals from. Kero is an athletic goalie that has very good movement in the crease. Packy generally does well with stopping shots outside of "home" ice. His hypothesis failed. I don't call that bad coaching, that is bad luck. When it works, he is a genius. When it doesn't, he's a goat. A coach's job is to put his players in a position to succeed. I believe Joe has done that, and our guys are doing their best. This team has fight.
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Regardless of what coach thought, I do feel like there needs to be a better reason to bench a guy that just got a sweep. As stated below, goaltending is a very mental position. Showing Kero the confidence to put him back out there after a good weekend makes sense. Maybe the problem is despite the sweep Kero wasn't hitting that number? Idk, but its hard not to look at goaltending and see it as the weakness and the next step is that it was mishandled. It's hard to believe that none of the three have stepped up. I'm sure Shawhan is investing a ton of time into figuring this out and it just hasn't really worked yet, but that doesn't mean he's made the right moves and they just haven't worked out.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
It is possible that because of limited skaters that they brought all 3 goalies. That happen once in the Russell era where they brought Corson Cramer to Alaska bc they had a spot.
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I hope they have all 3 goalies. Start Beydoun tonight, win or lose if he looks ok ride him in to the playoffs. If he struggles put Kero in on Saturday and ride him in to the playoffs regardless of Saturdays outcome. He's got the most "money in the bank!"
 
rustedblades said:
Like the coach, I feel competition is a great thing, however I believe in the MTU goaltending situation the perceived competition may be more that the goaltenders can handle. You've got Kero with 5 career games under his belt prior to this season, all early last season. You've got Munson who didn't play a single game last year. You have Beydoun who split with his goaltending partner last year in Waterloo and did quite well the last month of the season but with no NCAA experience. I realize a lot of people say you need to just go out there and do your job but goaltending is probably the toughest position on the team and the most mental. I think with the limited to no NCAA experience, it would take all of them a while to get up to speed. Logically Munson, with the most experience got the first nod and was given ample time to show what he had. IMHO he has not stepped up. Beydoun gets an early shot, doesn't last but comes in in December / January and does ok but loses against BGSU in the GLI. Doesn't see action again. Kero gets L-T against BGSU at home in November, doesn't see any meaningfull action until Vegas goes W-L-W-W from there and he is out. I tend to agree with THG that maybe the goaltending situation has been a little mishandled, not sure in the coaches position I could justify doing anything else but from a mental side of the game I'd say it has been tough on all 3 of the guys. I know the fix to the problem is just stop the puck but as coach has said on numerous occassions, you've got that fear of always dropping back to 3rd if you don't perform. Is that too much pressure for a group of guys with very limited experience. As mentioned previously my opinion is they need to pick a guy and run with him. Maybe at this point it should be Beydoun since he has the most hockey left of the three.

It is my feeling that if this juggling act continues MTU's chances of making a meaningful playoff run are zero.

I do like this team and I do like the coaching staff! Wish I could find a way to like the goaltending!

Go Huskies!
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The coach is a Goalie. I think he understands goalie mentality.
 
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davyd83 said:
The coach is a Goalie. I think he understands goalie mentality.
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So was Dave Burkholder, and the narrative with Niagara was that he either nailed it with the goalie or completely messed them up.

GFM
 
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davyd83 said:
The coach is a Goalie. I think he understands goalie mentality.
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He WAS a goalie! He hasn't played a game that means anything in 30+ years. Today's athletes are different than 30 years ago and coaching styles have changed. You used to be able to ramrod a guy in to performing or you just kicked them aside. Most guys don't respond to that style any more at any level. With the whole anti-bullying movement, the if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all mentality, I think the athletes are more sensitive to criticism and negative feedback. Right or wrong it's the world we live in and the coach (or boss/leader, etc.) that learns to coach or lead in it will be successful. The guy that wants to stay in the "my way or the highway" days will most likely find himself kicked to the curb eventually.
 
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Tyler Heinonen at AHL's San Jose Baracuda.

"Heinonen has become a player that is trusted to slot anywhere into the line up and elevate the play of the line he is on. His speed and hockey IQ combine for a scoring touch that allows him to handle big minutes" How many times did you hear this out of the MTU coaching staff?

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rustedblades said:
He WAS a goalie! He hasn't played a game that means anything in 30+ years. Today's athletes are different than 30 years ago and coaching styles have changed. You used to be able to ramrod a guy in to performing or you just kicked them aside. Most guys don't respond to that style any more at any level. With the whole anti-bullying movement, the if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all mentality, I think the athletes are more sensitive to criticism and negative feedback. Right or wrong it's the world we live in and the coach (or boss/leader, etc.) that learns to coach or lead in it will be successful. The guy that wants to stay in the "my way or the highway" days will most likely find himself kicked to the curb eventually.
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Joe has a very good track record with goalies, especially before this year. I don't believe he has kicked any goalie to the curb. We don't get to see practice. Maybe Packy had a good week and Devin was soft on shots. Joe and staff have a lot more experience and knowledge about who to play than I ever will. I don't know Joe, but he doesn't strike me as a "my way or the highway" guy at all. He sounds like a straight shooter who collaborates and sets expectations for each player individually. It also sounds like he uses a good number of metrics to assist in evaluation of players. As a player, it is hard to argue with numbers and tape.

My gut says we might see Kero in goal tonight. I think BGSU plays a game better suited to Kero's style.

Let's go Tech!
 
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Been away from a bit, more important things going on in my life right now than even Tech hockey. Skimmed the thread and see a lot of people thinking the same as me on many points, the main one being pick your horse at goalie and ride it to the finish line. I may disagree on who that should be, personally I would like to see Beydoun for the reasons mentioned, he has 3 years ahead of him and is the goalie of the future so get him more experience, but I also think his flashes of brilliance have been brighter than either Kero or Packy, I think he looks like the most talented in the group, however he does show to be the most inexperienced and make some dumb, Redmond-esque type mistakes too. I do think all 3 have talent and the ability to be a good goalie, but I think the rotating has hurt all of their confidence as well as the teams.

I do feel this team has a lot of fight, Friday night being down 3-1 and fighting back, we have fought back to ties and even wins more times this season than in any I can remember, they have a lot of fight and grit, but the goaltending has let them down too much. There's also the few players who have just under performed, L'Esperance and Lucchini being the two I think of most. Both should be 30+ point players but neither looks like they'll hit that number. L'Esperance can't buy a goal this year which has hurt us.

Again, this team has more fight and grit than any Tech team I can remember other than maybe the 06-07 squad with Batovanja. We've just made 1 or 2 deadly mistakes in too many games with shaky goaltending and not gotten the puck luck we needed. With a solid goalie I think we would be a solid #2 team in the league, but we are where we are and need to fight to keep going.
 
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Lost_Husky said:
Joe has a very good track record with goalies, especially before this year. I don't believe he has kicked any goalie to the curb. We don't get to see practice. Maybe Packy had a good week and Devin was soft on shots. Joe and staff have a lot more experience and knowledge about who to play than I ever will. I don't know Joe, but he doesn't strike me as a "my way or the highway" guy at all. He sounds like a straight shooter who collaborates and sets expectations for each player individually. It also sounds like he uses a good number of metrics to assist in evaluation of players. As a player, it is hard to argue with numbers and tape.

My gut says we might see Kero in goal tonight. I think BGSU plays a game better suited to Kero's style.

Let's go Tech!
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I don't necessarily feel the coach is a my way or the highway type of guy just too black and white, make the numbers or the next guy will. Well the next guy isn't so you need to try to get one guy to play with some confidence regardless if he's making the numbers immediately or not. Hopefully by the playoffs he will be. Whoever he is. For all three to be continually told they are not good enough, no matter how true, they probably start believing it.

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