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Michigan Tech 2015 off-season I: Building on what we've learned...

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Shirtless Guy said:
Carver Watson just tweeted his commitment to Michigan Tech today. Already have Cliff and Cooper committed in November 2013 and is likely to come in for the 2016-17 season.
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Always thinking with the jersey side of my brain, I can't wait to see the nameplates on those jerseys if Cliff sticks around four years and Carver does make the roster 2016. Using first initials isn't going to cut it... Gophers had this problem about 20 years ago, but I don't recall ever seeing a player's full name on a Huskies jersey. Hopefully they won't cheap out and do Cl. WATSON, Co. WATSON, Ca. WATSON...

Ryan J

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Re: Michigan Tech 2015 off-season I: Building on what we've learned...

JohnsonsJerseys said:
A couple key items I caught on the MP show, the games in AZ are now Friday and SUNDAY.
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I think we need to start planning now for the "World's Largest John Scott Fan Club" event at the Coyotes' game on that Saturday. There will be a ton of Tech alumni in town with nothing to do on Saturday. AZ Coach better play him too... none of this healthy scratch crap.
Ryan J
 
Re: Michigan Tech 2015 off-season I: Building on what we've learned...

Just ran across this article which talks about not getting drafted but a point I found more interesting and have never considered before is regarding the Major Junior vs. NCAA route. You always here the major junior proponents say that their route is the quickest way to the NHL. This may be true if you are a high end player but the late bloomer has a better shot taking the NCAA route, as pointed out here. This concept should be drilled in to every kids head that is trying to make this decision.

This is the excerpt from the article:

"Bartlett loves the college hockey route, especially for guys who aren’t on the NHL fast track. It gives players more time to develop. When they leave school as undrafted free agents, they have more options.

“Major junior has a tighter time frame,” Bartlett said. “You age out at 20 years old and if you haven’t established yourself as a pro prospect, your chances of making it are really small.

“One of the things I like about college hockey, if you’re really good you leave after two years and if you need four years to develop, you have it. There’s a sliding scale that allows a player to give himself every chance.”

“We had a guy, Andy McDonald out of Colgate a few years back. He was underrated and no one talked about him until his junior year in college. He signed as an undrafted free agent after his senior year in college. In major juniors, he would have aged out two years earlier and be working at the Ford plant in Mississauga.”

Those extra two years of experience put McDonald on the radar. He signed with the Anaheim Ducks, winning a Stanley Cup in 2007."


http://sabres.buffalonews.com/2015/06/13/going-undrafted-is-not-end-of-hockey-for-a-player/

Going one step further; a player could actually end up with 4 or 5 additional years to develop as in the case of Reid Sturos. I believe he was an over age player in the BCHL so he played a year longer in Juniors than most major junior players will and now has 4 more years to develop in college. While as the writer says the major junior guys are already working at a plant somewhere wishing they had an MTU education.
 
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The problem with that logic is, every player and a lot of their parents like to think that they are "high-end".
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
The problem with that logic is, every player and a lot of their parents like to think that they are "high-end".
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"My son has an entire room full of participation trophies. He has made the roster of every team we signed him up for and we always paid our league fees on time. How did he not get drafted again this year? Clearly these scouts have no clue what real talent looks like..."
Ryan J
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Re: Michigan Tech 2015 off-season I: Building on what we've learned...

FadeToBlack&Gold said:
The problem with that logic is, every player and a lot of their parents like to think that they are "high-end".
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Bingo. And to add, you have family advisors/agents blowing smoke up parents/players asses, telling them how great they are and how important their "draft year" is.
 
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eye4talent said:
Bingo. And to add, you have family advisors/agents blowing smoke up parents/players asses, telling them how great they are and how important their "draft year" is.
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I would think a good advisor/agent would better serve the player and themselves by doing everything they could to make sure the player they represent makes it to the NHL. If that means taking the slower path to allow the player to develop a good advisor should give that advise. I would think if a particular NHL team is not telling a kid to play major junior they should take the NCAA route because with a few exceptions they probably are not on anyones radar and would have less time to get on someones radar.

Bottom line is the advisor / agent doesn't (or shouldn't; I know some do and maybe that is the problem) make a dime unless a player signs a pro contract and only really benefits if the player plays in the NHL so there is no benefit to pushing a kid.

Also, from an agents perspective I would rather negotiate with a bunch of teams for an undrafted player than the one team that drafted the player I represent.
 
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JohnsonsJerseys said:
Always thinking with the jersey side of my brain, I can't wait to see the nameplates on those jerseys if Cliff sticks around four years and Carver does make the roster 2016. Using first initials isn't going to cut it... Gophers had this problem about 20 years ago, but I don't recall ever seeing a player's full name on a Huskies jersey. Hopefully they won't cheap out and do Cl. WATSON, Co. WATSON, Ca. WATSON...

Ryan J

<img height=300 src="http://www.johnsonsjerseys.net/temp/mtu-abc.jpg"><img height=300 src="http://www.johnsonsjerseys.net/archive/ncaa/wcha/umn24_b.jpg">
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well it's not likely to be a problem since it seems very likely Cliff will sign after this season...
 
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JohnsonsJerseys said:
I think we need to start planning now for the "World's Largest John Scott Fan Club" event at the Coyotes' game on that Saturday. There will be a ton of Tech alumni in town with nothing to do on Saturday. AZ Coach better play him too... none of this healthy scratch crap.
Ryan J
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I'm in.
 
Re: Michigan Tech 2015 off-season I: Building on what we've learned...

Don't forget that the MJ teams go out and tell kids how good they are and how fast they'll progress, even if they won't, just to get them on the roster.
 
manurespreader said:
Don't forget that the MJ teams go out and tell kids how good they are and how fast they'll progress, even if they won't, just to get them on the roster.
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Case in point: Ben Johnson. He could've been developing under Mel Pearson for the past three years and this upcoming season instead of racking up points against teenagers in Windsor and then shuttling back and forth between Albany and Orlando. I mean, how much does the Solar Bears' staff care about his development? And how much is ECHL competition going to push him?
 
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redwing61 said:
Case in point: Ben Johnson. He could've been developing under Mel Pearson for the past three years and this upcoming season instead of racking up points against teenagers in Windsor and then shuttling back and forth between Albany and Orlando. I mean, how much does the Solar Bears' staff care about his development? And how much is ECHL competition going to push him?
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I think you hit the nail on the head. In Ben's case, I'm told the Russell administration really didn't show him much love and by the time they did, the "family advisor" had already worked his magic for the Spitfires. Of course, at that time, playing for Tech didn't exactly look the best option either. Hindsight is 20/20.
 
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UpNorthHockey said:
I think you hit the nail on the head. In Ben's case, I'm told the Russell administration really didn't show him much love and by the time they did, the "family advisor" had already worked his magic for the Spitfires. Of course, at that time, playing for Tech didn't exactly look the best option either. Hindsight is 20/20.
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My information is a little different. It wasn't lack of interest from MTU at any point.
 
Re: Michigan Tech 2015 off-season I: Building on what we've learned...

Back to the assistant coach search, since Mel mentioned former players, I went through the michigan rosters while he was there and I found the following players currently in "coaching."
List provided in full without comment:
Matt Herr, Skidmore (DIII) assistant coach
Mike Komisarek, Michigan (B1G) volunteer assistant coach
Mike Van Ryn, Kitchener (OHL) head coach
Mike Knuble, Grand Rapids (AHL) assistant coach [but Blashill has left for Red Wings and didn't take Knuble with him]
John Madden, Florida (NHL) assistant coach
David Oliver, Colorad (NHL) assistant coach
Cam Stewart, KO Sports
 
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