Michigan Getting a Women's Team?

[Hockeybuckeye]

 

[spwood]

Stuff's getting real - even the little Press Republican in Plattsburgh, NY had an article on Michigan starting a women's team in our local paper...

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

Stuff's getting real - even the little Press Republican in Plattsburgh, NY had an article on Michigan starting a women's team in our local paper...

Very cool!
The best part is as women's college hockey grows it also spills over and enhanced girls youth hockey and the opportunities for the young ladies. It's a win win!

 

[Timothy A]

I wonder if the Mankatos and Bemidjis of the world are as 'fond' of the WCHA. Maybe they'd like a WCHA that isn't dominated by the same few teams every year. I guess the problem might be Duluth; would they dominate, or would the others catch up to them?

They would love to see the bIG schools leave the league. It gives them hope. It might also keep more Minnesota talent in Minnesota because you don't have to go to the ECAC to have a chance to play in the NCAA if you not recruited by the big three, though an Ivy degree looks way better than a state of Minnesota degree, but it probably costs 10 times as much.

I think once Michigan gets going they should join the CHA and so should tosu. This would give the Wcha or more non conference games to play which were all in favor of.

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

They would love to see the bIG schools leave the league. It gives them hope.

I think once Michigan gets going they should join the CHA and so should tosu. This would give the Wcha or more non conference games to play which were all in favor of.

If a B1G conference formed them there would be an additional automatic conference seed in the NCAA tournament, wouldn't that be interesting to have an earned seed gone?

Given the success of the Muzzinator I can see why you'd like OSU out of the WCHA but I think we're good where we are. We LIKE beating you! (Big Grin)

 

[robertearle]

If a B1G conference formed them there would be an additional automatic conference seed in the NCAA tournament, wouldn't that be interesting to have an earned seed gone?

Given the success of the Muzzinator I can see why you'd like OSU out of the WCHA but I think we're good where we are. We LIKE beating you! (Big Grin)

A B1G auto bid would only "take away" an "earned bid" if there were an upset winner in a conference tournament. And that's no different than what happens in the WCHA now. That is, Minnesota/Ohio State/Wisconsin wins the conference tournament but would have gotten in anyway, being ranked in the top eight in the Pairwise. The "earned bid" being "taken away" would be the winner of the left-over WCHA conference not always being top eight in the Pairwise.

Maybe that's what you meant, but it felt like it needed a little clarification.

(And once again, if we count from Ohio State's first frozen four in 2018, the WCHA auto-bid has gone to Wisconsin three times, Minnesota twice, and Ohio State twice. This year, Wisconsin won it.)

 

[Lindsay]

I think some of the “west is best” dialogue is better represented by “the B1G ten teams have taken over.”

We’re probably looking at 5 years out at least for a Michigan team if they approve and have to build a rink, yes? Unless there is a temporary solution.

It’s amazing how you can draw a line between the PW debuting and the regents calling for a feasibility study. There’s no PW without a century of other things happening but boy is it nice to have a somewhat visible, powerful entity in the womens hockey sphere.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

I think once Michigan gets going they should join the CHA and so should tosu. This would give the Wcha or more non conference games to play which were all in favor of.

LOL

Of course, there is no B1G women's hockey conference until two new programs startup. Without the sixth team, there's no autobid.

As for the WCHA, I think they keep their AQ for a two-year probationary period, and then if they can't get back up to six teams, they lose it (remember the men's CHA when they were down to four teams). (One of the reasons the CHA worked so hard to get another team in -- Delaware in this case -- was because they were one team from leaving away from losing their autobid.)

 

[Russell Jaslow]

It’s amazing how you can draw a line between the PW debuting and the regents calling for a feasibility study. There’s no PW without a century of other things happening but boy is it nice to have a somewhat visible, powerful entity in the womens hockey sphere.

And the fact the PWHL game in Detroit was a huge success producing rumors Detroit is on the top of the expansion list. Some people at Michigan want to strike while the iron is hot.

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

I think some of the “west is best” dialogue is better represented by “the B1G ten teams have taken over.”

That probably because those schools have better resources but that being said it's curious Penn State hasn't been more of a contender.

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

LOL

Of course, there is no B1G women's hockey conference until two new programs startup. Without the sixth team, there's no autobid.

It's been mentioned before how Illinois was on track to start hockey and it stalled when COVID hit, but could it get on track?
Also the PAC schools coming into the Big Ten all have club teams, perhaps they may consider them becoming NCAA teams like Michigan?
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[Russell Jaslow]

It's been mentioned before how Illinois was on track to start hockey and it stalled when COVID hit, but could it get on track?
Also the PAC schools coming into the Big Ten all have club teams, perhaps they may consider them becoming NCAA teams like Michigan?
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Don't hold your breath.

Reading between the lines, Illinois has totally given up on the idea. I just don't see the PAC schools doing anything for a long time, if at all.

The only chance for a women's B1G is for both Michigan schools to create a team, IMO.

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

The only chance for a women's B1G is for both Michigan schools to create a team, IMO.

Michigan State could start one but they're cheap bas*ards!

 

[Lindsay]

That probably because those schools have better resources but that being said it's curious Penn State hasn't been more of a contender.

Absolutely the resources don’t compare, plus all the majors offered, there’s less likely to be an issue there. So once they get good coaches lined up, no reason these programs shouldn’t be leaders.

Penn State only elevated to D1 in 2012 I believe, and wasted several years before getting an experienced D1 coach. Since Kampersal came along it took time but they are now the team to beat in CHA. I’m not sure what edge I’d say they have against the other B1G ten programs: Wisconsin with the USA Hockey legend Coach and pipeline, Minnesota’s backyard depth of talent, and Ohio State’s Queen of the Transfer Portal. Penn State just lost an associate head coach; we will see what the immediate future holds for them.

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

Penn State only elevated to D1 in 2012 I believe, and wasted several years before getting an experienced D1 coach. Since Kampersal came along it took time but they are now the team to beat in CHA.

It's not my intent to insult Penn State but the CHA is an extremely weak conference and it's my impression if Penn State was in the WCHA they'd be in the bottom half of the conference.
But the CHA might be a good starting point for a new Michigan program until they get their feet under them.

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

I just don't see the PAC schools doing anything for a long time, if at all.

It's hard to gauge what those PAC/Big Ten teams attitudes are on hockey. Now that they're in a conference that does have 4'school with women's hockey and will probably now be getting a fifth it may peak their interest but time will tell.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

It's hard to gauge what those PAC/Big Ten teams attitudes are on hockey. Now that they're in a conference that does have 4'school with women's hockey and will probably now be getting a fifth it may peak their interest but time will tell.

Definitely hard to gauge. But my interest meter when I point it towards the PAC teams reads pretty close to zero.

 

[robertearle]

LOL

Of course, there is no B1G women's hockey conference until two new programs startup. Without the sixth team, there's no autobid.

As for the WCHA, I think they keep their AQ for a two-year probationary period, and then if they can't get back up to six teams, they lose it (remember the men's CHA when they were down to four teams). (One of the reasons the CHA worked so hard to get another team in -- Delaware in this case -- was because they were one team from leaving away from losing their autobid.)

I don't think a five team B1G would have to worry about getting bids into tournament, even without an autobid.

Scheduling might be a bit tricky, but an autobid really wouldn't matter much.

 

[Lindsay]

It's not my intent to insult Penn State but the CHA is an extremely weak conference and it's my impression if Penn State was in the WCHA they'd be in the bottom half of the conference.
But the CHA might be a good starting point for a new Michigan program until they get their feet under them.

My point is that it took Minnesota 4 years in the Ncaa era to win a national championship, 6 for Wisconsin and 22 for Ohio State. Penn State has had a real D1 coach for like 6 years. There’s nothing curious about their results to date other than they need to figure out the portal because it gutted them last year.

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

My point is that it took Minnesota 4 years in the Ncaa era to win a national championship, 6 for Wisconsin and 22 for Ohio State.

From my perspective I count 6 years for Ohio State to win a Natty. For me the clock didn't realistically start until Nadine became head coach.