Michigan at NMU: Yet Another Reason to Hate Wal-Mart....

[alfablue]

Re: Michigan at NMU: Yet Another Reason to Hate Wal-Mart....

Almost as much as Walt is upset with your third, Red has to be livid about the 2nd- like other games, we get sections of periods where the play is pretty bad. I didn't see or hear any of the game, but I suspect that the D started to panic, blind dump passes, turn overs, and just poor D coverage- does that sum it up?

Shocking to hear that we came all the way back- of Michigan- we are pretty happy with how the offense is going (I think we are pretty high in goals/game)- but I am a little shocked that the game ended up tied. Sometimes you do get the lucky bounces.

Not sure what to make of Trouba- he's been trying to lay someone out for the entire season, but in the process, has really exposed his D play as a serious weakness. It's hard to have "fear" when the person is constantly missing. If he gets a suspension, well... dunno- can't judge it (but I don't really take some of your accounts at face value, either- I know many of you 'cats are incredibly biased against Michigan, for some reason...). For sure- you won't see him play Northern Michigan again, unless we meet up in the playoffs.

 

[wooderson]

Re: Michigan at NMU: Yet Another Reason to Hate Wal-Mart....

Yeah, this is a Michigan attitude, and exactly why people dislike Michigan fans....

The hit by Trouba on Seckel was maybe the worst I've seen since the hit Bertuzzi had on Steve Moore. I re-winded it on B2 several times....horrific hit, I would expect Trouba to be suspended for a while...maybe around a month. It was really a terrible hit.

I hope the Cats' come out strong again tomorrow night, but hold on better. I'm hoping Coreau steps up tomorrow.

I also heard Shawn Hunwick has the best right hook since Joe Frazier...

 

[The Rube]

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How many games will Trouba get suspended? At least six?

Any video of the hit?

 

[fellowes]

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Any video of the hit?

I second this motion.

 

[The Rube]

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I second this motion.

I saw the tweeters on GPL about the hit, and very soon after, the MI twatter was using the Pronger Argument (height difference) in defense of the hit (which is a ridiculous argument). I am very curious about the hit.

 

[NMUFAN21]

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Here is my input on the hit, I will try to keep it unbiased.

Seckel was making a rush to the offensive blue line, with trouba defending (They were right where the away penalty box is). Yes there was a height difference, but trouba put his elbow right into Seckel's head, making this a very dangerous play. This wasn't a light elbow either, there was clearly an attempt to contact the head. I imagine Trouba was angry leading up to the hit, as he had gotten into a skirmish with kesti a few minutes prior, and Seckel had been trying to hit big all night. This was a case of a player playing angry and it backfiring horribly, in my mind I'd say the hit probably should have trouba sitting out a few games. There's just no way you can argue this hit, it was clearly an attempt to take out another player.

 

[NMUFAN21]

Almost as much as Walt is upset with your third, Red has to be livid about the 2nd- like other games, we get sections of periods where the play is pretty bad. I didn't see or hear any of the game, but I suspect that the D started to panic, blind dump passes, turn overs, and just poor D coverage- does that sum it up?

Shocking to hear that we came all the way back- of Michigan- we are pretty happy with how the offense is going (I think we are pretty high in goals/game)- but I am a little shocked that the game ended up tied. Sometimes you do get the lucky bounces.

Not sure what to make of Trouba- he's been trying to lay someone out for the entire season, but in the process, has really exposed his D play as a serious weakness. It's hard to have "fear" when the person is constantly missing. If he gets a suspension, well... dunno- can't judge it (but I don't really take some of your accounts at face value, either- I know many of you 'cats are incredibly biased against Michigan, for some reason...). For sure- you won't see him play Northern Michigan again, unless we meet up in the playoffs.

Not trying to create an argument here, but some of us can be "incredibly bias" because some Michigan fans can show big time arrogance. For example even in this thread one of your fans said something about how he expects the series to be like Northern playing Michigan in basketball. Clearly a d2 basketball team is going to lose to a d1 ranked team, but in hockey they're both D1 ranked teams. The cats got swept by Notre Dame, but Michigan lost to an Atlantic team. There has been numerous times where your fans have made unnecessary comments not even related to hockey, in particular at the Joe a few years back. Sure we've made some bad comments, but they become warranted after a while.

 

[streaker]

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Not trying to create an argument here, but some of us can be "incredibly bias" because some Michigan fans can show big time arrogance. For example even in this thread one of your fans said something about how he expects the series to be like Northern playing Michigan in basketball. Clearly a d2 basketball team is going to lose to a d1 ranked team, but in hockey they're both D1 ranked teams. The cats got swept by Notre Dame, but Michigan lost to an Atlantic team. There has been numerous times where your fans have made unnecessary comments not even related to hockey, in particular at the Joe a few years back. Sure we've made some bad comments, but they become warranted after a while.

You're talking about the same troll fan that has gone into every visitor thread and has done the same thing. He clearly doesn't get it, so, please, don't broadbrush our fanbase on this website.

As far as the game, this was a snapshot of what we have witnessed at Yost, except it was usually a devastating third period defensive meltdown that did them in.
Our goaltending is adequate, not spectacular, but George Vezina wouldn't have been able to stop some of the wide open looks NMU forwards had on the PP last night. We manage to make good teams look better and average teams look good. No excuses with the injuries, etc. The first period illustrated that.

This was the same formula last season, except Hunwick would save their azzes. I have a distinct problem with constantly pushing the offense when your forwards and defense are out of position for counter-attacks and have to scramble to recover. This was the first time the PK got lit up, though, so that's a head scratcher. It will continue to bite them if they can't clear the zone, especially with the goaltending defiencies.

As far as the Trouba hit, the way multiple media people have described it (that were there), the play warranted the ejection because head contact was made. The question of intent comes to mind, which the officials clearly thought, by their call, that they could determine. It appeared to be shoulder to head, so the elbow to head claim has yet to be verified. We'll see what comes out of it. This was also something that Trouba was known for with the USNDT, so reputation is playing a factor here. Fine line between a legal and illegal hit these days because of the new blindside rules. I have no issue with the penalty and suspension, but anything beyond one game will have to be justified.

I'm trying to be neutral here- I think it is laughable to compare a tragic, cowardly attack by an NHL player to this hit. Just shows how much partisan contempt there is for Michigan- whether justified or not.

 

[NMUFAN21]

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Well, I wouldn't say it was any Bertuzzi move, that's a completly different play and situation. Even so, it was a "dirty" play. As for the elbow portion, if he didn't make contact to the head, I would have personally called this an elbow. From the angle I had it wasn't a shoulder to head hit, but an elbow to head. Based on what the league has handed out suspensions for in the past, I'd expect anywhere from 2-4 games (including tonight's). This was the textbook definition of a head-contact penalty, plus there had to be some intent there.

 

[alfablue]

Re: Michigan at NMU: Yet Another Reason to Hate Wal-Mart....

Not trying to create an argument here, but some of us can be "incredibly bias" because some Michigan fans can show big time arrogance. For example even in this thread one of your fans said something about how he expects the series to be like Northern playing Michigan in basketball. Clearly a d2 basketball team is going to lose to a d1 ranked team, but in hockey they're both D1 ranked teams. The cats got swept by Notre Dame, but Michigan lost to an Atlantic team. There has been numerous times where your fans have made unnecessary comments not even related to hockey, in particular at the Joe a few years back. Sure we've made some bad comments, but they become warranted after a while.

The poster you speak of has been around just a few months- you should note that nobody else has posted anything like that. So you reading "arrogance" from one poster into the rest of the fan base is a pretty clear indication if your bais. Any small attack from some meaningless person, and you go and think that everything is personal from everyone. Not sure what you reference from some thing about the Joe- I've always had good times with your fans, and will miss seeing many of you at the Joe.

I've read enough NMU posts over the years to know that there's an underlying bias against Michigan. You can call it hate, if you'd like. Same thing. I don't know why it exists- and don't really care to figure out why. But many, many times things come out that's not exactly accurate. To think that is somehow warranted, well, there you go. For some reason, you take a handful of peoples opinion personally.

And all I am doing is saying that I don't take some of your versions at face value. That's bad somehow?

You do know hockey is just a game, right? I'm pretty sure that since we "won" the game last night (I hate shootouts) I'm not going to get a raise at work on Monday.

 

[fellowes]

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This was also something that Trouba was known for with the USNDT, so reputation is playing a factor here.

At risk or further infiltrating an NMU/UM thread, I can definitely feel your pain here, we had to deal with this stuff with Biggs all last season.

 

[aparch]

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...the Pronger Argument (height difference) in defense of the hit ...

Pronger Physics (tm) ? As the distance between the player and an opposing player becomes smaller, the higher the elbow becomes?

 

[The Rube]

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Pronger Physics (tm) ? As the distance between the player and an opposing player becomes smaller, the higher the elbow becomes?

More along the lines of "he's so much taller, so of course a head shot will happen; not HIS fault!"

 

[alfablue]

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LOL- someone negative reped me being honest to not take 'cat opinions at face value. Seriously?

Had the tables been turned, and it happened at Yost, would you believe OUR opinions? I'm sure we would be negatively rep'ed for being "biased" as well. Some of you guys make me laugh. In a sad and depressing way.

 

[davyd83]

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Looks like the 'Cats biggest issue so far this season is finishing games (aka playing the 3rd period). It killed them against ND, now this. I remember Walt mentioning that it was a fitness issue with some of the guys, maybe mental with others. Regardless it is unacceptable and it needs to change fast if they want to win games in this conference.

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What about 2 3rd period comeback wins against Wisconsin. NMU led in neither game against Notre Dame, and closed the gap in the third period, scoring the only goal of the period n the Saturday night game, to cut the lead to 3-2. Last night was the only time NMU has lost a 3rd period lead this season. Try again.

 

[davyd83]

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The poster you speak of has been around just a few months- you should note that nobody else has posted anything like that. So you reading "arrogance" from one poster into the rest of the fan base is a pretty clear indication if your bais. Any small attack from some meaningless person, and you go and think that everything is personal from everyone. Not sure what you reference from some thing about the Joe- I've always had good times with your fans, and will miss seeing many of you at the Joe.

I've read enough NMU posts over the years to know that there's an underlying bias against Michigan. You can call it hate, if you'd like. Same thing. I don't know why it exists- and don't really care to figure out why. But many, many times things come out that's not exactly accurate. To think that is somehow warranted, well, there you go. For some reason, you take a handful of peoples opinion personally.

And all I am doing is saying that I don't take some of your versions at face value. That's bad somehow?

You do know hockey is just a game, right? I'm pretty sure that since we "won" the game last night (I hate shootouts) I'm not going to get a raise at work on Monday.

Yes there generally is an NMU bias against Michigan (and Tech and Lake Superior as well), myself included. It's that series you really want to win. You may be familiar with the concept from that little football thing you have coming up in a few weeks against the Ohio State University, or Ohio, as Brady Hoke mistakenly calls it.

 

[streaker]

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LOL- someone negative reped me being honest to not take 'cat opinions at face value. Seriously?

Had the tables been turned, and it happened at Yost, would you believe OUR opinions? I'm sure we would be negatively rep'ed for being "biased" as well. Some of you guys make me laugh. In a sad and depressing way.

It's called the UNO complex.

 

[Wildpantswilly]

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A blowout with Michigan physically dominating.

I see Michigan getting the sweep if and only if Racine is starting both games. Got to go with the hot hand. Nothing against Jared, but he hasn't exactly set the world on fire as of late.

Yep, you called this one right.

Glad to be done playing Michigan and having to hear arrogant nonsense from their fans. Good riddance.

 

[aparch]

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Happy Trails to you...

... and good riddance!

 

[aparch]

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Can the Cardiac 'Cats please not have any more third period melt downs? Very happy to have them hang on, but there was no reason to let UofM back into the game either night.