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Miami Redhawks

Re: Miami Redhawks

Yes, Minnesota is a possibility to recruit but it isn’t going to be a place where you have a real shot getting top players out of the state on a regular basis. You can list all the positive points about Miami you want but the absolute truth is if you grow up playing hockey in Minnesota you want to play for the Gophers then UMD, UND and SCSU. Mankato has also built a very solid program that now dominates the WCHA. Staying home is a big deal to these kids. Sure a few want to get away from it and end up at the Harvard, BC and BUs of the world. Then a few will go to other B1G schools. The appeal of playing at Miami is just so far down the list again taking nothing away from the school. It does sound like a great college experience.
 
Yes, Minnesota is a possibility to recruit but it isn’t going to be a place where you have a real shot getting top players out of the state on a regular basis. You can list all the positive points about Miami you want but the absolute truth is if you grow up playing hockey in Minnesota you want to play for the Gophers then UMD, UND and SCSU. Mankato has also built a very solid program that now dominates the WCHA. Staying home is a big deal to these kids. Sure a few want to get away from it and end up at the Harvard, BC and BUs of the world. Then a few will go to other B1G schools. The appeal of playing at Miami is just so far down the list again taking nothing away from the school. It does sound like a great college experience.

Kids who grow up with the NCHC will also really want to play in the NCHC. It's new, but just being in the conference is helpful for all the teams in recruiting the entire footprint. If Miami starts winning their shots at MN kids will improve even more...

Jarod Palmer scored 137 points in four years at Miami. Seems like a pretty good coax out of the state for a CCHA team. Those types will occasionally be available and interested to the right RedHawk recruiters. Probably more often as the league ages...

And none of that even matters as the idea that you can't win in the NCHC without MN players is nothing more than MN hubris. Miami is a huge draw as a university in Chicago, St. Louis and Michigan. Ontario, Pittsburgh and Western New York are all less than five hour drives from campus. Miami has just as much access to the BCHL (or CA, TX or non-Canadian foreigners and other non-traditional but growing markets) as anyone. The USHL games are all easy recruiting trips. OH and IN aren't factories, but both are turning out a surprising number of top players in a region Miami used to (and should) monopolize (Jobst at OSU and Pierson at UNH are types that are easy Miami pickings not too long ago)...

Miami doesn't need Minnesota. It needs better recruiters on staff. That's it. Top options to recruit are all around them. If they can supplement those options with a kid out of MN every few years all the better. If not, it's hardly an impact if they're doing their job well in other areas...

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You note yourself that SCSU is the fourth choice for most MN players - yet SCSC is as talented as UMD and well ahead of UMN and UND the last few years. Why is that? It's because they had/have elite recruiters with the proper mindset - recruiters who don't give a **** that those players first choice might be UMN/UND or UW or ND and aggressively pursued, offered and sold them on SCSU anyway...

THAT is what Miami is missing. They're not down because they're not a preconceived favorite in MN or because they're lack access to numerous recruiting hotspots of their own. They have plenty of places to recruit. They're down because they're failing to identify and sell...

They're definitely getting desperate- they stole a few kids from Omaha (including Dashke who's been great and Pekar who didn't make it) and they may well have actively talked this HC kid into transferring, but time will tell if they're actually getting any better under Mannino...

They have no excuses not to turn this around, because once they can get kids on campus for visits it honestly should be like shooting fish in a barrel at that point...

As one UNH poster described Miami to me after making the trip for a game - it's 'basically Disneyland for college kids'...

The campus IS that gorgeous. The facility IS that nice. The two of Oxford IS that fun. The women ARE that beautiful, confident and intelligent. The school IS very good. If you can't recruit to Miami, you can't recruit. It's really that simple...

It may be the mid-sized school in a small town, with the funny name and the MAC sports affiliation - but all you have to do as a recruiter is share what the school is truly about and 90% of your job is done. After that it's fully funded like every other top program...
 
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Re: Miami Redhawks

You said you can get Minnesota players. I just listed the reasons you won’t be able to on a regular basis. Never said you need Minnesota players to win.
 
You said you can get Minnesota players. I just listed the reasons you won’t be able to on a regular basis. Never said you need Minnesota players to win.

I never claimed that it was going to be their go-to recruiting ground - just another option to get kids with the right recruiters. The argument that MN players were necessary came from someone else and I lumped arguments.

I'm from NH and a UNH fan as well - I remember all the arguements early on in HE that the Boston kids would never leave Boston. Then UNH became a power, built with rosters that included a number of Boston area players (then they lost their ace recruiter, had a major recruiting issue that cost them a couple classes and the mediocre recruiters who followed haven't recovered - sound familiar)...

Twenty years ago Boston area kids were Boston first, second, third and fourth according to Boston fan bases. The reality was the He conference was dominant and that became the draw. More and more kids started leaving urban MA because they wanted to play in Hockey East first and foremost and there were other options like UNH and Maine. Nowadays it's UML, UM and PC thriving in the HE footprint with plenty of success in BC/BU territory...

Those that were up in the last share one common trait with those that are up now. Aggressive, confident and skilled recruiters who don't care about why kids they're not supposed to be able to get and just got get them anyway.

Literally being in Boston didn't do much for Northeastern for the longest time - the last few years they've been the best program in the city because of their aggressive recruiting approach. It didn't do much for Harvard either, until Donato arrived...

Recruiting is people first. Scholarship money second. Location, facilities, etc far behind...

The NCHC loves to tout itself as the conference in college hockey - if that proves to be the case and if the league distances itself from the rest. NCHC will be a bigger draw than you give credit. And there are only three MN schools in the league if you count UND (who recruits all over)...
 
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As one UNH poster described Miami to me after making the trip for a game - it's 'basically Disneyland for college kids'...

The campus IS that gorgeous. The facility IS that nice. The two of Oxford IS that fun. The women ARE that beautiful, confident and intelligent. The school IS very good. If you can't recruit to Miami, you can't recruit. It's really that simple...

It may be the mid-sized school in a small town, with the funny name and the MAC sports affiliation - but all you have to do as a recruiter is share what the school is truly about and 90% of your job is done. After that it's fully funded like every other top program...

Get over yourself. Miami is a nice college for a very specific type (preppy, conservative, wants to join a frat and major in business), but beyond that, it's a medium size public university in the middle of nowhere that is the second ranked and second most selective public university in its own state. At best, you're comically arrogant. At worst, you're hopelessly delusional about its place on the food chain as both a hockey program and a university.
 
Get over yourself. Miami is a nice college for a very specific type (preppy, conservative, wants to join a frat and major in business), but beyond that, it's a medium size public university in the middle of nowhere that is the second ranked and second most selective public university in its own state. At best, you're comically arrogant. At worst, you're hopelessly delusional about its place on the food chain as both a hockey program and a university.

Oh I see what's going on here - you're a threatened Ohio State fan!
 
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Re: Miami Redhawks

Oh I see what's going on here - you're a threatened Ohio State fan!
I was actually in Oxford today and am the longest attending Ohio State fan and nothing about Miami I find threatening. In fact watching how your team performed this weekend I think if we played each other next weekend we'd swat you like a fly.
It is amusing that Miami desperately wants Enrico gone but backed themselves into a corner with the contract they gave him and refuse to spend the money they would owe him to terminate it.
You would think with their vaunted business school someone would know how to draft a contract giving the university an out if they needed it but someone thought he was going to be all that forever and ever it seems! LOL!
 
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I was actually in Oxford today and am the longest attending Ohio State fan and nothing about Miami I find threatening. In fact watching how your team performed this weekend I think if we played each other next weekend we'd swat you like a fly.
It is amusing that Miami desperately wants Enrico gone but backed themselves into a corner with the contract they gave him and refuse to spend the money they would owe him to terminate it.
You would think with their vaunted business school someone would know how to draft a contract giving the university an out if they needed it but someone thought he was going to be all that forever and ever it seems! LOL!

Yet, in the middle of the best year in school history you're both in here speculating (read: desperately hoping) about why Miami might be down for good...

I've never seen a major athletic department fan base act like bigger bunch of Jan Brady's than Ohio State does regarding Miami Hockey. I suppose that's inevitable when you barely need a second hand to count relevant OSU seasons or Buckeye victories over Miami since I graduated college in 2003, but it's also pretty pathetic (almost as pathetic as a Big10 university crying to the state government that a mid-sized university in the middle of nowhere has a better academic reputation and lobbying/buying itself superficial new academic ranking)...

BTW - for as much effort that has gone into making OSU an improved academic institution and programs designed to funnel top OH students to OSU and away from the rest of the state schools over recent years, according to prep scholar the average ACT score at both schools is 29, the 25-percentile score is 27-26 for OSU and the 75-percentile score is 31 a piece. The average GPA at OSU is 3.78 to 3.76 at Miami. For all your money, politics and acclaim you can't do better than that? Are you really in here bragging about having improved to Miami's equal...? I guess in your defense we had a huge head start...

* https://www.prepscholar.com/act/s/colleges/Ohio-State-University-ACT-scores-GPA
* https://www.prepscholar.com/act/s/colleges/Miami-University-ACT-scores-GPA

Congrats, though, on all your research dollars, graduate programs, the size of your endowment and all that other crap that pumps up USNews rankings but means zip to undergrads (an actual undergraduate focus on the other hand?). Also the giant pools of subpar applicants you get to reject, because you're a name athletic department - well, most of your athletic dept anyway...

You guys have been pining for what Miami Hockey had for years - and your fear of what might happen if Miami bounces back drips off every word you've posted in this thread.

I'd be more concerned with sustaining BIG success - you know since those are your conference rivals and not Miami. With four college hockey blue bloods and two more major athletic departments that out invest you in the sport - I'd keep your focus where it belongs. Instead you're still stuck on the 'inferior' school that punked you for years and probably will again. If I could wish for anything next year it would be for you to schedule Miami and finally win a game - so you could just release this pent up obsession...

And don't think I haven't noticed that you guys spend half your threads complaining about how nasty Miami fans have invaded and been rude or condescending to you. I've never said a word to a single one of you aside from posting once in your thread earlier this year to express that I thought that behavior from Miami fans was unfortunate. Yet, here you are in a Miami thread doing the exact same things the minute you get a whiff that OSU Hockey might finally turn into a real boy. Clearly you've just been getting what you've been giving - and you're mad you're always on the wrong side of it...
 
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In fact watching how your team performed this weekend I think if we played each other next weekend we'd swat you like a fly!

I mean, you gotta win one eventually. Let's hope the tenth time is the charm and that you win more than one of the next fifteen this time around...

Long time OSU fan? Has it really been a long time or has it just felt long...?
 
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Re: Miami Redhawks

Hit a nerve did we Dan?
You can rant and claim you "punked" us even though it's only in your mind. At best you can claim equality to OSU as you have no national title in hockey either but I see us getting there before you do. I have more insight to both programs than you could know and I'm a Miami parent and don't have any issue with the school itself. My issue was solely how when your program was riding high was how arrogant and insufferable many of your fans became. They've become pretty much invisible here on forum now that your "greatness" has faded away and that amuses me. And I'll give Steve Cady your regards next time I talk to him.
 
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Re: Miami Redhawks

Pokes head into the Miami thread...agrees with everything Dan is saying about recruiting...sees it has turned into another OSU/Miami hatefest...goes back to being silent on the forum and making my weekly picks.
 
Re: Miami Redhawks

Hit a nerve did we Dan?
You can rant and claim you "punked" us even though it's only in your mind. At best you can claim equality to OSU as you have no national title in hockey either but I see us getting there before you do. I have more insight to both programs than you could know and I'm a Miami parent and don't have any issue with the school itself. My issue was solely how when your program was riding high was how arrogant and insufferable many of your fans became. They've become pretty much invisible here on forum now that your "greatness" has faded away and that amuses me. And I'll give Steve Cady your regards next time I talk to him.

If any outsiders want to understand why OSU and Bowling Green fans can get along so well here yet neither has any use for Miami fans, this thread is a great place to look. It's also a great tool to understand how a school that had just tasted a little bit of success in the sport--and despite not actually having won a title--could declare itself the sport's dynasty.

If we win the title this year, I really can't fathom Ohio State fans acting like that. From the Pooley brothers to the first Frozen Four to the Umberger/Steckell class, we've seen the promise of becoming a national player in hockey dissolve in a heartbeat. We know from experience that it can end quickly, so while I'll savor every second of it, I won't take anything for granted much less claim we're the greatest thing to ever happen to college hockey.
 
Re: Miami Redhawks

If any outsiders want to understand why OSU and Bowling Green fans can get along so well here yet neither has any use for Miami fans, this thread is a great place to look. It's also a great tool to understand how a school that had just tasted a little bit of success in the sport--and despite not actually having won a title--could declare itself the sport's dynasty.

If we win the title this year, I really can't fathom Ohio State fans acting like that. From the Pooley brothers to the first Frozen Four to the Umberger/Steckell class, we've seen the promise of becoming a national player in hockey dissolve in a heartbeat. We know from experience that it can end quickly, so while I'll savor every second of it, I won't take anything for granted much less claim we're the greatest thing to ever happen to college hockey.

I humbly and graciously admit Miami has a lot going for it. First and foremost, they aren't Toledo...
 
Re: Miami Redhawks

I don't think Miami is down for good but you are at that juncture where you need a coaching change to get back on the upswing and Miami painted themselves into a corner with Enrico's contract. Also with OSU's hockey program being the current dominate one in the state we will be attracting the best in state talent now instead of Miami. It's nothing against Miami but it's just the way things work when you're on top.
 
Re: Miami Redhawks

If any outsiders want to understand why OSU and Bowling Green fans can get along so well here yet neither has any use for Miami fans, this thread is a great place to look. It's also a great tool to understand how a school that had just tasted a little bit of success in the sport--and despite not actually having won a title--could declare itself the sport's dynasty.

If we win the title this year, I really can't fathom Ohio State fans acting like that. From the Pooley brothers to the first Frozen Four to the Umberger/Steckell class, we've seen the promise of becoming a national player in hockey dissolve in a heartbeat. We know from experience that it can end quickly, so while I'll savor every second of it, I won't take anything for granted much less claim we're the greatest thing to ever happen to college hockey.

Your behaving like that RIGHT now. Don't come back in here and pretend to be a victim when you started this whole thing - I had the audacity to disagree 100% respectfully with your first post, express pride in my University and highlight the ways in which I thought its hockey program could be revived and you responded with a temper tantrum full of stereotypes and name calling to kick this all off. And now you're in here begging for sympathy. All the outsiders can read this thread and see for themselves, so I don't know who you think you're fooling. I guess yourself...

I'm not sure what issues you and HockeyBuckeye (who I always thought was genuine, maybe I was wrong) had with Miami posters in the past - but it took you two and a half years of regular season success (and two recruiting classes) to start behaving exactly like you say they did. At least it took Miami fans 15+ years. Although, the way you both gleefully waltzed in here looking for a fight at the first mention of Miami on this board years, its hard to take seriously this notion that you've ever been any sort of victim. More than likely, you can dish it out but can take it - and simply never had any real ammunition in the fight. Either way, I guess you've both lost your faux moral authority to Miami now, too...

We could have had any sort of conversation you wanted, and you made your choice clear as day.

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As for OSU winning over top-Ohio recruits, now that they're winning, I think they have some fences to mend first...

https://theathletic.com/95646/2017/...missed-out-on-columbus-boom-of-hockey-talent/
 
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Its clear this thread has devolved into a thread of hopeful rivals, attempting to reassure themselves that Miami is down for good. This thread can die on the vine as far as I'm concerned and they can take that line of discussion back to their Ohio State thread (where despite their ardent claims of Miami insignificance - its a surprisingly common topic of conversation)...

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My apologies to the original poster - and anyone else who wanted real answers - for taking the bait. Suffice it to say, Miami has shot themselves in the foot with poor recruiting decisions (as well as a few mismanaged roster decisions - ie. Hamilton & Meyer). Much to the chagrin of many, however, the athletic department is not as content and hamstrung as they'd have you believe. They forced Blasi to fire his assistants last year, and made clear to him that either he will turn the program around in short order or they will make a change to someone they believe can do the job. Whether that turns out, time will tell...

It won't happen next year, but they've been pretty aggressive in future recruiting with A LOT of commitments (including at least a '99, an '02 and two '03s from Minnesota - and what appear to be pretty good classes starting in the fall of 2020...
 
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Your behaving like that RIGHT now. Don't come back in here and pretend to be a victim when you started this whole thing - I had the audacity to disagree 100% respectfully with your first post, express pride in my University and highlight the ways in which I thought its hockey program could be revived and you responded with a temper tantrum full of stereotypes and name calling to kick this all off. And now you're in here begging for sympathy. All the outsiders can read this thread and see for themselves, so I don't know who you think you're fooling. I guess yourself...

I'm not sure what issues you and HockeyBuckeye (who I always thought was genuine, maybe I was wrong) had with Miami posters in the past - but it took you two and a half years of regular season success (and two recruiting classes) to start behaving exactly like you say they did. At least it took Miami fans 15+ years. Although, the way you both gleefully waltzed in here looking for a fight at the first mention of Miami on this board years, its hard to take seriously this notion that you've ever been any sort of victim. More than likely, you can dish it out but can take it - and simply never had any real ammunition in the fight. Either way, I guess you've both lost your faux moral authority to Miami now, too...

We could have had any sort of conversation you wanted, and you made your choice clear as day.

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As for OSU winning over top-Ohio recruits, now that they're winning, I think they have some fences to mend first...

https://theathletic.com/95646/2017/...missed-out-on-columbus-boom-of-hockey-talent/

"You're"
 
Re: Miami Redhawks


Four for five in proper use of Your/You're in the post. Darn, I do like to be perfect. I guess typos happen to everyone, even Miami grads...

Sick burn, though. Grammar is a good last resort when you have nothing informed or clever to offer!
 
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Four for five in proper use of Your/You're in the post. Darn, I do like to be perfect. I guess typos happen to everyone, even Miami grads...

Sick burn, though. Grammar is a good last resort when you have nothing informed or clever to offer!
Live by the spell check, die by the spell check. LOL!
 
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