Miac Over Looked League!

[joeyc3402]

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For what it's worth, last year's MIAC title game was packed and had one of the best atmospheres I saw all year.

Yeah, but imagine how many more people they would've had to turn away if the game were on a Saturday!

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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From the front page of NCAA.org (with a minor update )

Gustavus Adolphus and Augsburg entered the NCAA record books after playing the longest game in NCAA Division III men’s ice hockey history Saturday night.

The game ended after 138 minutes and 38 seconds when Gustavus Adolphus senior forward Eric Bigham scored at 18:38 of the fourth overtime to give his team a 6-5 victory in the Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference playoffs.

The game surpassed the previous Division III men’s ice hockey record of 98:42 set by Minnesota-Crookston and the Milwaukee School of Engineering. Minnesota-Crookston won that game, 2-1, in double overtime February 23, 2002.

Gustavus registered 104 shots on goal compared to 57 for Augsburg, and Auggies netminder Justin Lochner set an NCAA Division III record for saves in a game with 97. The previous record was 95 set by Daniel McIntosh of Northland against Adrian on January 23, 2009.

Saturday’s game, which lasted 5 hours and 30 minutes in real time, began at 7:05 p.m. and ended at 12:35 a.m. Sunday.

The Gustavus-Augsburg game is the <strike>second-</strike> Third-longest game in all of collegiate hockey, just two minutes and 57 seconds shy of the 141-minute, 35-second, five-overtime 3-2 victory by Division I Yale over Union (New York) on March 4, 2006, which has since bee surpassed by the 144-minute, 32-second, 5-overtime 2-1 victory by Division I Women's RPI over Quinnipiac on February 28, 2010.

Sorry, I found an out-of-date-but-relevant article, and couldn't resist editing to update it.

EDIT: I also didn't realize until I read this that the one (positive) record Northland could call their own is no more.

 

[one_to7]

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I don't know if the NCAA tracks shots as a team stat, but the 104 shots on goal could also be a record.

It's definitely a record against a single goalie judging by the saves records, but someone could've possibly put up more against more than one goalie, I suppose.

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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I don't know if the NCAA tracks shots as a team stat, but the 104 shots on goal could also be a record.

It's definitely a record against a single goalie judging by the saves records, but someone could've possibly put up more against more than one goalie, I suppose.

They don't, but we can figure it out:

Since we know Macitosh's 95 saves was 99 shots for Adrian, obviously that's out.

Next on this list (in DIII) is Nichols' John Herud making 77 saves against Maine. The DIII record for scoring in a single game is 26 (by NEC vs. Fitchburg), and SOG=G+SV, so even if Maine HAD scored 26, it would have been 103, 1 short.

DI's records are:
78 saves by RPI's Dick Greenlaw against BU
22 goals by Brown vs. Springfield, and BC vs. Fort Devins

78+22=100

We can therefore deduce that this is at least a male record, I haven't looked at women's yet.



A little off-topic, I noticed this in the DI recordbook:

POINTS SCORED
Game (Combined)
58—Notre Dame (40) vs. Plattsburgh St. (18), Dec. 31, 1985

 

[one_to7]

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They don't, but we can figure it out:

Since we know Macitosh's 95 saves was 99 shots for Adrian, obviously that's out.

Next on this list (in DIII) is Nichols' John Herud making 77 saves against Maine. The DIII record for scoring in a single game is 26 (by NEC vs. Fitchburg), and SOG=G+SV, so even if Maine HAD scored 26, it would have been 103, 1 short.

DI's records are:
78 saves by RPI's Dick Greenlaw against BU
22 goals by Brown vs. Springfield, and BC vs. Fort Devins

78+22=100

We can therefore deduce that this is at least a male record, I haven't looked at women's yet.



A little off-topic, I noticed this in the DI recordbook:

That's still not a definitive record though.

Say someone gets lit up for 6 goals in a period, but makes 30 saves. He's out, new goalie in. He also gives up 6 goals, but makes 30 saves. Ok, he's done and the 3rd goalie goes in for the third period. True to form, he makes 30 saves while giving up 6 goals.

18 goals, 108 shots. Except for the shots part, none of the performance would be worthy of the record book, as it's not a record for points scored, goals scored, saves, etc.

Extremely unlikely, but possible.

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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That's still not a definitive record though.

Say someone gets lit up for 6 goals in a period, but makes 30 saves. He's out, new goalie in. He also gives up 6 goals, but makes 30 saves. Ok, he's done and the 3rd goalie goes in for the third period. True to form, he makes 30 saves while giving up 6 goals.

18 goals, 108 shots. Except for the shots part, none of the performance would be worthy of the record book, as it's not a record for points scored, goals scored, saves, etc.

Extremely unlikely, but possible.

Fair enough. I suppose my analysis only proves that it was a record against one goalie. But NCAA doesn't track shot records, so I guess we'll never know.

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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In a semi-related note, while I was searching the record books, I noticed on the demo of the "new and improved" ncaa.org, the record books, ncaa legislation, and rule books didn't appear readily accessible to non-members (and being in an official role with a member institution is a requisite for membership), so I sent an e-mail via the "feedback" link asking about this. The reply was that most of this will still be readily accessible to the public, especially rulebooks and record record books, which are being redesigned to improve search capability.

If this is true, it might not take quite as long to search for specific records or rules, so we can get our answers quicker. But then again, this is the NCAA we're talking about.

 

[MW4Bucky&SNC]

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OK, so what is the deal with the MIAC having their Championship game on Wednesday night? Is this to give them plenty of rest in case the winner has a play-in game in the following Tuesday? I'd think you'd want to showcase on Saturday or perhaps Friday. Considering teams go back to back all year long I wouldn't think it should be an issue only having a few days in between a championship game and Tuesday's potential NCAA play-in.

 

[elbojpb]

Wednesday ... Really!

Wednesday ... Really!

The NCAA basketball final game is always on a Monday!

I stand/sit corrected, but realistically, that is a game for which 50 tickets are lottery purchased for every one that is awarded. From a distance, the MIAC {or any league begging for credibility} would ~seem~ to be better off strutting their stuff ~not~ on a weeknight. Speaks volumes.

 

[joeyc3402]

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I stand/sit corrected, but realistically, that is a game for which 50 tickets are lottery purchased for every one that is awarded. From a distance, the MIAC {or any league begging for credibility} would ~seem~ to be better off strutting their stuff ~not~ on a weeknight. Speaks volumes.

The MIAC is at a point where they have to beg for credibility?

 

[GumpW]

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Why is Wednesday even an issue? It was a virtual sellout last year and probably will be again tonight - so the fans are there. What advantage would there be in waiting until Fri or Sat? Why would playing Fri or Sat make it a better game? When I look at schedules out east there are regularly lots of midweek games - does that mean anything?

St Thomas and Gustavus are both very good teams - should be a great matchup.

 

[MW4Bucky&SNC]

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It just seems strange to have a game mid-week for no particular reason. If it sells out, then I guess no big deal. By the way, I meant Wednesday for the NCAA play-in round. I know I said Tuesday earlier but I just got the days wrong.

 

[elbojpb]

The MIAC is at a point where they have to beg for credibility?

Well ... the title of this thread is "Miac Overlooked League." Not my words, the thread's creator. His/her exact words were "This league is under apprceciated and is flying under the National radar." Not quite sure what that means to you, but to me it says that there is a lack of credibility.

I was simply responding to what the thread's creator was attempting to discern. Having a mid-week championship game, for some, would create a bit of obscurity. Sorry if it seemed condescending.

 

[imafan]

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OK, so what is the deal with the MIAC having their Championship game on Wednesday night? Is this to give them plenty of rest in case the winner has a play-in game in the following Tuesday? I'd think you'd want to showcase on Saturday or perhaps Friday. Considering teams go back to back all year long I wouldn't think it should be an issue only having a few days in between a championship game and Tuesday's potential NCAA play-in.

If you are talking about getting a short break between games, I think if a game were to go another 4 overtimes, like Gustavus did against Augsburg, they would appreciate the extra break. Also, since the east always says they are "superior", usually the west has a play in game, so they should try for the extra rest.

I don't think there is any concern about a game not selling out, it will be crazy at Don Roberts Ice Rink tonight!

 

[joeyc3402]

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Well ... the title of this thread is "Miac Overlooked League." Not my words, the thread's creator. His/her exact words were "This league is under apprceciated and is flying under the National radar." Not quite sure what that means to you, but to me it says that there is a lack of credibility.

I was simply responding to what the thread's creator was attempting to discern. Having a mid-week championship game, for some, would create a bit of obscurity. Sorry if it seemed condescending.

Right, but none of the evidence supports your case that having a championship game on a week night hurts the league's credibility.

 

[one_to7]

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Right, but none of the evidence supports your case that having a championship game on a week night hurts the league's credibility.

Yeah, I'm not quite sure how a mid-week championship game has any relation to the league's credibility.

To me, the original post had more to do with chatter about the league. And most of the chatter is done here, and like it or not, there are not many fans of MIAC teams that post here. The end result is that there isn't much talk or hype about games involving MIAC teams on the board, and it may appear that the league is over-looked.

The MIAC representative has frequently made some noise in the NCAA tournament, despite a road that seems to continually go through St. Norbert. As far as credibility goes, this league has enough, whether you recognize it or not.

In fact, a side effect from having a mid-week game is it probably garners *more* national attention than having it at the same time as most other leagues. There's nothing running against it, the fans are rabid enough that they'll come out in force whenever the game is, and the rest of the nation can come follow the game without missing out on watching their own team. Plus, the MIAC champion can claim that they were the first team guaranteed an NCAA spot

So besides the fact that it's unusual, what exactly is the problem with a Wednesday championship?

 

[Matthew Webb]

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Well ... the title of this thread is "Miac Overlooked League." Not my words, the thread's creator. His/her exact words were "This league is under apprceciated and is flying under the National radar." Not quite sure what that means to you, but to me it says that there is a lack of credibility.

Or it just means the MIAC doesn't have as many posters here as other leagues do...