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Mercyhurst Lakers: The HOME stretch

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The Lakers did well on face offs, winning 35 of 54 according to live stats. The stats also said Agosta hit the pipe early in the 3rd. Be interested in an eye-witness account of the play, because that was obviously a huge inch or two.
 
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The Lakers did well on face offs, winning 35 of 54 according to live stats. The stats also said Agosta hit the pipe early in the 3rd. Be interested in an eye-witness account of the play, because that was obviously a huge inch or two.

I would too...announcer said it was off the cross bar. I believe she was in alone on net.
 
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Have to wonder if the Brown weekend put the Lakers off their game?

My personal belief is that playing your top lines in a blow out doesn't just invoke karma, it also screws your timing.

Here's a thoughtful, recent comparison:

Cornell 4 at Union 2

Just a thought ...
 
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Have to wonder if the Brown weekend put the Lakers off their game?

My personal belief is that playing your top lines in a blow out doesn't just invoke karma, it also screws your timing.

Here's a thoughtful, recent comparison:

Cornell 4 at Union 2

Just a thought ...

Seriously, Dad, you have to quit whining about the score. Just looking at the score sheet it appears they won pretty fair and square in their 12-0 beating. 14 of the 18 players had at least 1 point (or put another way, only 4 players did not register a point). Therefore, it seems pretty apparent that they were not just playing the top two lines.

Also, the game was 5-0 at the end of the 2nd period. Sure they could have relaxed but that wasn't that outrageous of a score. The bears just fell apart in the third. There was one quick goal scored at the beginning of the third and then 3 scored with in 90 seconds at the 4 minute mark. Each time, the lines were changed and each time they scored (who is the coach supposed to put out there on the lines? the equipment manager? back-up goalie?) Maybe Brown picked it up a bit and decided to play defense for awhile but that only lasted 2.5 minutes before three more goals were scored (again, different goal scorers).

Given that Mercyhurst didn't score a single goal in the last 9 minutes, I would guess that they were showing a bit of "Mercy". Brown just got embarrased so deal with it and move on.

I will say it has been a long time since I have seen that lop-sided of a score amongst true D1 teams so I don't think anyone is unreasonable in their questioning.
 
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Here is my eye-witness account of the game and Dr. Rutter, please feel free to add:

First Cornell goal was a beaut. Sniped upper right shelf. MC goalie didn't really have a chance. Second Cornell goal was a soft goal. Hillary didn't seem to see it and was late with the glove. IMO, should have been stopped. Third Cornell goal, it looked to me like Hillary could have smothered the puck a second or two earlier but somehow didn't. It slid through. My opinion, should have been stopped. Now with that being said, Hillary made some nice stops throughout the game. Not that it mattered since the Cornell goalie had the game of her life. MC didn't have many SOG but she made some important saves, including the Agosta mini-breakaway at the end of the first period. Many, many shots were stopped before they got to the goaltender which made her life easier. For example, I dont remember what the SOG were in the 3rd period but it seemed to me that Mercyhurst had the possession for the most of the period but didn't seem to hold a real huge advantage on the shots.
Cornell was the better team, at least for today. They were better in every aspect of the game, especially the d-men. In my opinion, they are much better than MC's d-men.
A decent crowd of over 900 and I think that was pretty accurate. Most of the seats were filled and many standing in the east end.
 
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Seriously, Dad, you have to quit whining about the score. Just looking at the score sheet it appears they won pretty fair and square in their 12-0 beating. * * * * Brown just got embarrased so deal with it and move on.

I will say it has been a long time since I have seen that lop-sided of a score amongst true D1 teams so I don't think anyone is unreasonable in their questioning.

No whining here, and no personal interest in Brown or MC. Your perspective may well be valid, I didn't see the game; although from what I've heard from a Brown parent who did, your view is not universally held.

My point was simply in answer to the argument that good teams can't "take the foot off the pedal" against lesser teams because they have a hard time adjusting later.

Here, I saw two very good teams facing lesser teams before they played each other. Looks to me like Cornell approached Union differently than MC approached Brown.

The CU-MC result may have nothing at all to do with the Brown and Union games, karma, etc.

I just thought the result was interesting, maybe informative.
 
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In regards to the Cornell game, Cornell was the better team last night, period. One interesting statistic, if you take into account the post that Agosta early in the third period, Mercyhurst had 26 shot attempts wide/post and 24 shots on net. Much of the credit should be given to the Cornell defense for putting pressure on Hurst shooters so the either took bad shots or had to change them at the last moment. There were also a few times when shooters went for corners versus making the goalie work. Overall, I thought Hilary played her best home game of the season and if she continues to play like that, Hurst's chances in the playoffs will improve.

In regards to the Brown game, a couple of points. Merychurst started their backup goalie and gave playing time to their third string goalie. Brown went to their third string goalie after the starter gave up three goals in the first 4:37 of the third. Merychurst scored four goals on their next six shots. Was Hurst supposed to stop shooting because the third string goalie is in the game? Merychurst wants their third string to goalie to see some action. If I was a third string goalie who got some playing time against a top team, I would be pretty irked if the other team stopped playing just beacuse I was in goal.

In the long run, I think both Cornell and Mercyhurst suffer from playing weak schedules this year. Players can pick up bad habits (little dumps and cheats that work against slower teams) and get a little overconfident. We will see how things play out once the NCAAs start.
 
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I'm one of the Brown parents who saw last weekends game live in the stands. My normal MO would be to say nothing at all after a game like the one on Saturday. However, given this discussion, feel compelled to respond to add some important facts and views that are missing from the story painted here sofar. I'll address several previous comments inline below.

First here is my summary/view of the game followed by responses to some of the other comments from previous postings.

IMHO, Brown actually played a better game on Saturday compared to Friday, but the game got away from them early in the third. MC is clearly a much better team than Brown, there is no disputing that.

One key problem Brown faced all weekend was the lethal MC power play. In both games, MC got on the board with a PP goal to open the scoring.

In the Saturday game the game was 3-0 after the first period. Brown battled hard in the second period with some fantastic goaltending by the Brown freshman goaler to keep the game at 3-0 until late in the second. Late in the second MC gets two PP opportunities in short succession, and they cashed in on both to go into the second intermission up 5-0, with 3 of the five goals being on the PP. One of those late second period calls was very marginal at best. This took the sail out of Brown's efforts, and MC pounced on a couple of chances early in the third to turn a 5-0 game into an 8-0 game.

Brown then made a goalie switch from the freshman to the third string goaler, who had yet to see any ice time this year. It is at this point Mercyhurst could have decided to just play out the game, but instead they decided to poor it on. I truly felt sorry for the Brown goalie who let in 4 goals in a pretty short time span (about 5 minutes) to turn a 8-0 game into a 12-0 score. She is a great kid and a fantastic supporter for the team on the bench.

Once it was 12-0, with about 9 minutes to go, Brown put in their first stringer. She stopped all shots she faced the rest of the way. What happened in those last 9 minutes was most interesting to watch. Why were the top players from MC still playing in a 12-0 game. Why were they laughing and celebrating on the bench when a Brown goal got called off late in the game due to an off-side. Sure enjoy your shutout, but please, celebrating and cheering on the bench in a 12-0 game. There is no need for that.


No whining here, and no personal interest in Brown or MC. Your perspective may well be valid, I didn't see the game; although from what I've heard from a Brown parent who did, your view is not universally held.

You are correct. There were several Brown parents who were very upset at what happened in the third period on Saturday, specifically on how MC approached the game after it was 8-0. Some of these parents played the game themselves at the college level, so they are quite familiar with proper hockey etiquette.


Seriously, Dad, you have to quit whining about the score. Just looking at the score sheet it appears they won pretty fair and square in their 12-0 beating. 14 of the 18 players had at least 1 point (or put another way, only 4 players did not register a point). Therefore, it seems pretty apparent that they were not just playing the top two lines..

They should have reduced the playing time of the top lines after it was 8-0 when Brown put in their spare goaler. This was a NC game. The extra goals in the third have no meaning in the grander scheme of things other than stats padding.

The game was 5-0 at the end of the 2nd period. Sure they could have relaxed but that wasn't that outrageous of a score. The bears just fell apart in the third. There was one quick goal scored at the beginning of the third and then 3 scored with in 90 seconds at the 4 minute mark. Each time, the lines were changed and each time they scored (who is the coach supposed to put out there on the lines? the equipment manager? back-up goalie?) Maybe Brown picked it up a bit and decided to play defense for awhile but that only lasted 2.5 minutes before three more goals were scored (again, different goal scorers).

Again MC could have reduced the playing time of the top lines after it was 6-0 early in the third. Brown changed their goalers twice in the third in an attempt to stop the bleeding. If this had been a men's game the fistacups would have come out early in the third, and you would sit the top players to protect them from extra curricular activities.

I give a lot of credit to the Brown players and coaches for sucking it up and quietly playing out the game. To me that showed a lot more class then that displayed by the winning team.

Given that Mercyhurst didn't score a single goal in the last 9 minutes, I would guess that they were showing a bit of "Mercy".

Nope, this had more to do with Brown putting in their first string goaler, who had played the Friday game.

Brown just got embarrassed so deal with it and move on...

We were moving until this debate broke out, which compelled me to respond, to provide a bit a perspective from a Brown parent point of view.

In regards to the Brown game, a couple of points. Merychurst started their backup goalie and gave playing time to their third string goalie. Brown went to their third string goalie after the starter gave up three goals in the first 4:37 of the third. Merychurst scored four goals on their next six shots. Was Hurst supposed to stop shooting because the third string goalie is in the game? Merychurst wants their third string to goalie to see some action. If I was a third string goalie who got some playing time against a top team, I would be pretty irked if the other team stopped playing just because I was in goal.

Once Brown put in their third goaler (8-0 score line early in the third), MC could have elected to do several things. One, sit their top players, which serves the dual purpose of respecting for the opponent and creating team chemistry. Two, keep the game in the offensive zone at the perimeter. Three, put the third and fourth lines out on the PP. Four, play a simple dump and chase game. Five, have at least three passes in a row before you are allowed to shoot.

MC did not switch to their third goaler until real late in the game with about 3 minutes left. Not that it matters much, but I would have kept the back-up in so she could earn the full shutout, specially considering she does not get into that many games to start with. Her current line shows she has been in five games with no shutouts.


In closing I'll say this. Brown has faced Cornell, BU and MC (2x) over the last two weeks. All three of these opponents are great teams, loaded with talent. As a hockey fan appreciate the skill they bring to the rink. It is enjoyable to watch. Actually enjoyed watching the Friday game, even though we lost 6-0. MC's power play is great to watch, and it is a treat to watch MC's top players in action, just like it is great to watch the greats on BU and Cornell. However, the third period on Saturday, left a bitter taste in my mouth, and I was far from alone in that feeling.

Just my two cents.

NewbieBear.
 
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Why were the top players from MC still playing in a 12-0 game. Why were they laughing and celebrating on the bench when a Brown goal got called off late in the game due to an off-side. Sure enjoy your shutout, but please, celebrating and cheering on the bench in a 12-0 game. There is no need for that.

NewbieBear, you make many valid points. On some of them, we could discuss for a very long time and not change a single mind, so I won't go down that road.

One clarification does need to be made about Mercyhurst's reaction to the disallowed goal described in the above quote. Harper is Hurst's third string goalie who has made a grand total of one save in her college career. This was only her second time on the ice this season and is a former team manager (for lack of a better word, see this article for details: http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011301149935) who was asked to be the third goalie after a transfer. This would explain the nature of the reaction (not lowering her career save percentage to 50% due to a strange goal) and may change your mind if it was appropriate or not.
 
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I'm one of the Brown parents who saw last weekends game live in the stands. My normal MO would be to say nothing at all after a game like the one on Saturday. However, given this discussion, feel compelled to respond to add some important facts and views that are missing from the story painted here sofar. I'll address several previous comments inline below.

First here is my summary/view of the game followed by responses to some of the other comments from previous postings.

IMHO, Brown actually played a better game on Saturday compared to Friday, but the game got away from them early in the third. MC is clearly a much better team than Brown, there is no disputing that.

One key problem Brown faced all weekend was the lethal MC power play. In both games, MC got on the board with a PP goal to open the scoring.

In the Saturday game the game was 3-0 after the first period. Brown battled hard in the second period with some fantastic goaltending by the Brown freshman goaler to keep the game at 3-0 until late in the second. Late in the second MC gets two PP opportunities in short succession, and they cashed in on both to go into the second intermission up 5-0, with 3 of the five goals being on the PP. One of those late second period calls was very marginal at best. This took the sail out of Brown's efforts, and MC pounced on a couple of chances early in the third to turn a 5-0 game into an 8-0 game.

Brown then made a goalie switch from the freshman to the third string goaler, who had yet to see any ice time this year. It is at this point Mercyhurst could have decided to just play out the game, but instead they decided to poor it on. I truly felt sorry for the Brown goalie who let in 4 goals in a pretty short time span (about 5 minutes) to turn a 8-0 game into a 12-0 score. She is a great kid and a fantastic supporter for the team on the bench.

Once it was 12-0, with about 9 minutes to go, Brown put in their first stringer. She stopped all shots she faced the rest of the way. What happened in those last 9 minutes was most interesting to watch. Why were the top players from MC still playing in a 12-0 game. Why were they laughing and celebrating on the bench when a Brown goal got called off late in the game due to an off-side. Sure enjoy your shutout, but please, celebrating and cheering on the bench in a 12-0 game. There is no need for that.




You are correct. There were several Brown parents who were very upset at what happened in the third period on Saturday, specifically on how MC approached the game after it was 8-0. Some of these parents played the game themselves at the college level, so they are quite familiar with proper hockey etiquette.




They should have reduced the playing time of the top lines after it was 8-0 when Brown put in their spare goaler. This was a NC game. The extra goals in the third have no meaning in the grander scheme of things other than stats padding.



Again MC could have reduced the playing time of the top lines after it was 6-0 early in the third. Brown changed their goalers twice in the third in an attempt to stop the bleeding. If this had been a men's game the fistacups would have come out early in the third, and you would sit the top players to protect them from extra curricular activities.

I give a lot of credit to the Brown players and coaches for sucking it up and quietly playing out the game. To me that showed a lot more class then that displayed by the winning team.



Nope, this had more to do with Brown putting in their first string goaler, who had played the Friday game.



We were moving until this debate broke out, which compelled me to respond, to provide a bit a perspective from a Brown parent point of view.



Once Brown put in their third goaler (8-0 score line early in the third), MC could have elected to do several things. One, sit their top players, which serves the dual purpose of respecting for the opponent and creating team chemistry. Two, keep the game in the offensive zone at the perimeter. Three, put the third and fourth lines out on the PP. Four, play a simple dump and chase game. Five, have at least three passes in a row before you are allowed to shoot.

MC did not switch to their third goaler until real late in the game with about 3 minutes left. Not that it matters much, but I would have kept the back-up in so she could earn the full shutout, specially considering she does not get into that many games to start with. Her current line shows she has been in five games with no shutouts.


In closing I'll say this. Brown has faced Cornell, BU and MC (2x) over the last two weeks. All three of these opponents are great teams, loaded with talent. As a hockey fan appreciate the skill they bring to the rink. It is enjoyable to watch. Actually enjoyed watching the Friday game, even though we lost 6-0. MC's power play is great to watch, and it is a treat to watch MC's top players in action, just like it is great to watch the greats on BU and Cornell. However, the third period on Saturday, left a bitter taste in my mouth, and I was far from alone in that feeling.

Just my two cents.

NewbieBear.

Given the length of this post, I am not going to attempt to quote certain parts to it, but will just respond in total. As bad as losing 12-0 is, it is even more disrespectful to players when their opponents play a period of keep away. Every player I have ever talked to is much more upset when the other team does not take them seriously than losing by a large score.

And I am not sure that you understood my point regarding the large number of MC players that had points. If 15 players all had at least 1 point, who do you sit? Do you base it on the points that they already have? Say you sit the top 2 lines (10 players) and only play with 8, is that the right choice? Those players may get injured because they have 0 rest time.

Also, if you note the score sheet, every single goal had two assists so it does seem like they weren't just cherry picking and scoring unassisted.

Finally, don't you think the Brown coaching decisions were a little suspect. If the score was 5-0 at the end of the second and you were thinking you might have to change the goalie, why would you not do it at the beginning of the third. Also, why would you put in the third string goalie after the score was 8-0 (did she have a white flag?) and not put in the starting goalie? Seems that disrespect can go both ways.
 
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NewbieBear, you make many valid points. On some of them, we could discuss for a very long time and not change a single mind, so I won't go down that road.

One clarification does need to be made about Mercyhurst's reaction to the disallowed goal described in the above quote. Harper is Hurst's third string goalie who has made a grand total of one save in her college career. This was only her second time on the ice this season and is a former team manager (for lack of a better word, see this article for details: http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011301149935) who was asked to be the third goalie after a transfer. This would explain the nature of the reaction (not lowering her career save percentage to 50% due to a strange goal) and may change your mind if it was appropriate or not.

UNH was criticized a few years back for celebrating the 5th or 6th goal in a shutout at Maine, but same kind of thing - it happened to be that player's first collegiate goal. That player was Stefanie Marty, and since transferring to Syracuse has put quite a few more past the goalie, but I suspect the first was worth celebrating, just as the save was. Hopefully the reason for the seemingly over exuberant reaction was explained.
 
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Given the length of this post, I am not going to attempt to quote certain parts to it, but will just respond in total. As bad as losing 12-0 is, it is even more disrespectful to players when their opponents play a period of keep away. Every player I have ever talked to is much more upset when the other team does not take them seriously than losing by a large score.

We agree to disagree on this then. Many players that I know, agree that 10-0 games are not really that enjoyable, whether it be on the winning or the losing end.

And I am not sure that you understood my point regarding the large number of MC players that had points. If 15 players all had at least 1 point, who do you sit? Do you base it on the points that they already have? Say you sit the top 2 lines (10 players) and only play with 8, is that the right choice? Those players may get injured because they have 0 rest time.

My point was to sit your top three players. Tell them they are done for the day, tomorrow is another day. If you sit your top three forwards, you still have three full lines at your disposal. The other option is to double shift your third and fourth lines and give the odd shift to your second line. Should not be that taxing to a team that is already outskating the opposition. If I were a coach, would rather have a 4th liner get injured late in a runaway game, than one of your top players.


Finally, don't you think the Brown coaching decisions were a little suspect. If the score was 5-0 at the end of the second and you were thinking you might have to change the goalie, why would you not do it at the beginning of the third. Also, why would you put in the third string goalie after the score was 8-0 (did she have a white flag?) and not put in the starting goalie? Seems that disrespect can go both ways.

Game was 3-0 late in the second, when MC got two PP goals to make it 5-0. Brown starter faced 24 shots in the second, and stopped 22. Not exactly numbers that would trigger a goalie change. She got lit up early in the third, 3 GA on 7 shots, hence the change. Pretty standard coaching technique if you ask me. I've seen Brown go to their 3th and 4th stringers in out of hand games before. Gives them more playing time in an otherwise meaningless game. Many coaches would do the same thing out of respect for the other team, if they see the other coach do it.
 
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NewbieBear, you make many valid points. On some of them, we could discuss for a very long time and not change a single mind, so I won't go down that road.

One clarification does need to be made about Mercyhurst's reaction to the disallowed goal described in the above quote. Harper is Hurst's third string goalie who has made a grand total of one save in her college career. This was only her second time on the ice this season and is a former team manager (for lack of a better word, see this article for details: http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011301149935) who was asked to be the third goalie after a transfer. This would explain the nature of the reaction (not lowering her career save percentage to 50% due to a strange goal) and may change your mind if it was appropriate or not.

Appreciate that added bit of info. Makes the celebration near the end of the game when the goal got called off more understandable.

There was a great story last year of a walk on college player that finally got into the lineup with playing time when regulars were out with injuries. She ended up scoring the winning goal as the 11th shooter in a shootout after a tied game, and the only shooter for her team to score. This was after her team, second from the bottom in the league, had battled back from a 3-1 deficit in the third to get the game into OT. She was a teammate of a sister of one of the current Brown players.
 
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We agree to disagree on this then. Many players that I know, agree that 10-0 games are not really that enjoyable, whether it be on the winning or the losing end.
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Lopsided games are indisputably painful for all involved, and as such always seems to bring out loads of complaints from both teams, and usually with some justification on both ends. Doesn't matter the age group, level, or the particular opponents, but the themes are typically the same: winning team showed no class, the way they played disrespected the other and made them feel bad (no matter what they did or didn't do), the better team couldn't compromise from their game without enforcing bad habits that would affect them down the road, coaches for both teams didn't react appropriately in the situation, etc. etc.

In this case, I am very happy to whatever extent usual third and fourth liners, and second and third string goalies, for both teams, got extra ice time opportunity, which is as it should be. But I find it interesting that while the partisan faithful are questioning whether each of the opponent coaches did the right thing in managing the situation they found themselves in, no one is asking the most important question of all:

What the $*## were these teams thinking in scheduling two games with one another anyway?? It's one thing when completely mismatched teams have to face each other in league play. It can't be helped. But these two coaches actually CHOSE to play one another...twice!! There are numerous other out of conference matchups that would have made far more sense for both teams. Was Mercyhurst simply looking for more opponents to help boost potential Kaz nominee stats? Is Brown trying to profile just how far its fallen from the glory years? Are there any other rational answers to that question????
 
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What the $*## were these teams thinking in scheduling two games with one another anyway?? It's one thing when completely mismatched teams have to face each other in league play. It can't be helped. But these two coaches actually CHOSE to play one another...twice!! There are numerous other out of conference matchups that would have made far more sense for both teams.

While I dunno the answer to your questions was pondering the same thing the other day. Lets compare the NC schedules for Cornell, tops in the ECAC, and Brown, at the other end of the scale.....

Cornel: MC 2x, Niagara 2x, RMU 2x, Syracuse....All teams reasonably close to Cornell, MC the only top 10 team
Brown: MC 2x, BU, BC, NE, PC and Sacred heart...All teams close to Brown except MC. 6 of 7 games against teams that have appeared in the top 10.

You would think that Brown should end up with an easier NC schedule than Cornell. Last year they played Vermont and St-Cloud (2x) as part of their NC set. Match-ups more suitable for them from a competition point of view.
 
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While I dunno the answer to your questions was pondering the same thing the other day. Lets compare the NC schedules for Cornell, tops in the ECAC, and Brown, at the other end of the scale.....

Cornel: MC 2x, Niagara 2x, RMU 2x, Syracuse....All teams reasonably close to Cornell, MC the only top 10 team
Brown: MC 2x, BU, BC, NE, PC and Sacred heart...All teams close to Brown except MC. 6 of 7 games against teams that have appeared in the top 10.

You would think that Brown should end up with an easier NC schedule than Cornell. Last year they played Vermont and St-Cloud (2x) as part of their NC set. Match-ups more suitable for them from a competition point of view.

Actually, I believe BU and BC and probably closer to Cornell than either Mercyhurst or RMU are they not? Not that distance should be the biggest factor in scheduling non-conference games anyway.
 
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Actually, I believe BU and BC and probably closer to Cornell than either Mercyhurst or RMU are they not? Not that distance should be the biggest factor in scheduling non-conference games anyway.

Nope. Travelled most of these routes. Cornell is much closer to Erie than to Boston.

Ithaca to Erie is about 3.5 hours
Ithaca to Boston is about 5 hours
Ithaca to Pittsburgh is a little over 5 hours.
 
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I kinda pushed it going from Boston to Ithaca late at night, not many cars on the road, weather was clear and dry, and it took 6 hours.
 
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I kinda pushed it going from Boston to Ithaca late at night, not many cars on the road, weather was clear and dry, and it took 6 hours.

Wadduya drive. A put put, or do you need a better route director ?....Off Course I drive 1500 plus clicks a weekend on a routine bases, so have a habit of getting where I'm going as quick as possible. The times quoted earlier are actually my GPS times. Looking forward to two "Home Games" this weekend, the only ones close to home all year. :)
 
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I'm one of the Brown parents who saw last weekends game live in the stands. My normal MO would be to say nothing at all after a game like the one on Saturday. However, given this discussion, feel compelled to respond to add some important facts and views that are missing from the story painted here sofar. I'll address several previous comments inline below.

First here is my summary/view of the game followed by responses to some of the other comments from previous postings.

IMHO, Brown actually played a better game on Saturday compared to Friday, but the game got away from them early in the third. MC is clearly a much better team than Brown, there is no disputing that.

One key problem Brown faced all weekend was the lethal MC power play. In both games, MC got on the board with a PP goal to open the scoring.

In the Saturday game the game was 3-0 after the first period. Brown battled hard in the second period with some fantastic goaltending by the Brown freshman goaler to keep the game at 3-0 until late in the second. Late in the second MC gets two PP opportunities in short succession, and they cashed in on both to go into the second intermission up 5-0, with 3 of the five goals being on the PP. One of those late second period calls was very marginal at best. This took the sail out of Brown's efforts, and MC pounced on a couple of chances early in the third to turn a 5-0 game into an 8-0 game.

Brown then made a goalie switch from the freshman to the third string goaler, who had yet to see any ice time this year. It is at this point Mercyhurst could have decided to just play out the game, but instead they decided to poor it on. I truly felt sorry for the Brown goalie who let in 4 goals in a pretty short time span (about 5 minutes) to turn a 8-0 game into a 12-0 score. She is a great kid and a fantastic supporter for the team on the bench.

Once it was 12-0, with about 9 minutes to go, Brown put in their first stringer. She stopped all shots she faced the rest of the way. What happened in those last 9 minutes was most interesting to watch. Why were the top players from MC still playing in a 12-0 game. Why were they laughing and celebrating on the bench when a Brown goal got called off late in the game due to an off-side. Sure enjoy your shutout, but please, celebrating and cheering on the bench in a 12-0 game. There is no need for that.




You are correct. There were several Brown parents who were very upset at what happened in the third period on Saturday, specifically on how MC approached the game after it was 8-0. Some of these parents played the game themselves at the college level, so they are quite familiar with proper hockey etiquette.




They should have reduced the playing time of the top lines after it was 8-0 when Brown put in their spare goaler. This was a NC game. The extra goals in the third have no meaning in the grander scheme of things other than stats padding.



Again MC could have reduced the playing time of the top lines after it was 6-0 early in the third. Brown changed their goalers twice in the third in an attempt to stop the bleeding. If this had been a men's game the fistacups would have come out early in the third, and you would sit the top players to protect them from extra curricular activities.

I give a lot of credit to the Brown players and coaches for sucking it up and quietly playing out the game. To me that showed a lot more class then that displayed by the winning team.



Nope, this had more to do with Brown putting in their first string goaler, who had played the Friday game.



We were moving until this debate broke out, which compelled me to respond, to provide a bit a perspective from a Brown parent point of view.



Once Brown put in their third goaler (8-0 score line early in the third), MC could have elected to do several things. One, sit their top players, which serves the dual purpose of respecting for the opponent and creating team chemistry. Two, keep the game in the offensive zone at the perimeter. Three, put the third and fourth lines out on the PP. Four, play a simple dump and chase game. Five, have at least three passes in a row before you are allowed to shoot.

MC did not switch to their third goaler until real late in the game with about 3 minutes left. Not that it matters much, but I would have kept the back-up in so she could earn the full shutout, specially considering she does not get into that many games to start with. Her current line shows she has been in five games with no shutouts.


In closing I'll say this. Brown has faced Cornell, BU and MC (2x) over the last two weeks. All three of these opponents are great teams, loaded with talent. As a hockey fan appreciate the skill they bring to the rink. It is enjoyable to watch. Actually enjoyed watching the Friday game, even though we lost 6-0. MC's power play is great to watch, and it is a treat to watch MC's top players in action, just like it is great to watch the greats on BU and Cornell. However, the third period on Saturday, left a bitter taste in my mouth, and I was far from alone in that feeling.

Just my two cents.

NewbieBear.

YIKES!!! LOL MC played the ENTIRE team. Girls were laughing cuz one of them wiped out...had nothing to do with a goal on Brown. They are a great group with no real weak players that have a blast on and off the ice.
You may have had a view from the stand but no true understanding of the chemistry on the MC bench. The girls didn't celly after their goals out of respect for their opponent. Brown played hard and clean right to the end.

Hurst just passed the puck around nearing the end of the game.
 
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