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Yup, no denying you use such caricatures. And you wonder why I don't keep feeding your trolling.
Yup, no denying you use such caricatures. And you wonder why I don't keep feeding your trolling.
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See?
See?
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New aunts are what your kids get if your second (or later) marriage is to someone who has sisters.
New aunts are what your kids get if your second (or later) marriage is to someone who has sisters.
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I think you are right that some people are intolerant of social conservatives, Bob, but I think there might be another angle to that which involves the difference between beliefs and policies. To liberals, the policies social conservatives support have the effect of being intolerant towards nontraditional life choices of all kinds. Certainly we are all entitled to our own beliefs and should be respected when we express them, but policies go well beyond personal beliefs, since they affect many. The same can be said for liberal policies, of course, but liberal policies are usually criticized for being harmful because they are ineffective, wasteful, and expensive--not because they are exclusive and judgmental.
I'm guilty of what you say--being less tolerant of people with strongly social conservative views. That is a failing, but it is too easy to ignore the difference between the personally held beliefs and the policies they support.
And I'm not sure that made a lick of sense. But neither do shootouts in college hockey.
I think you are right that some people are intolerant of social conservatives, Bob, but I think there might be another angle to that which involves the difference between beliefs and policies. To liberals, the policies social conservatives support have the effect of being intolerant towards nontraditional life choices of all kinds. Certainly we are all entitled to our own beliefs and should be respected when we express them, but policies go well beyond personal beliefs, since they affect many. The same can be said for liberal policies, of course, but liberal policies are usually criticized for being harmful because they are ineffective, wasteful, and expensive--not because they are exclusive and judgmental.
I'm guilty of what you say--being less tolerant of people with strongly social conservative views. That is a failing, but it is too easy to ignore the difference between the personally held beliefs and the policies they support.
And I'm not sure that made a lick of sense. But neither do shootouts in college hockey.
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I still think you've got nothing besides, "it's icky." Proving me wrong (which I'm sure you would love to do) would be the easiest thing in the world - just a few sentences is all it would take.
Asking you to explain your views is trolling? Lame response, per usual.
I still think you've got nothing besides, "it's icky." Proving me wrong (which I'm sure you would love to do) would be the easiest thing in the world - just a few sentences is all it would take.
leswp1
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And shoot outs are for wimps!
This post wins the thread. Put into words what I have been unable to articulate despite multiple attempts. Can you move to my town?
And shoot outs are for wimps!
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Well said. I agree with much of what you say. There are certainly a lot of conservatives who conduct themselves in ways I think are mean-spirited and intolerant, and shame on them. But I think you don't fully give credit to how intolerant liberals are though. You can see it in the gay marriage debate where now anyone who supports the traditional view of marriage publicly is subject to all sorts of hateful statements, harrassment, losing their job, etc. I've never heard of anyone losing their job because some conservative fired them for supporting gay marriage. It is always easier to see the intolerance in the other side of the argument.
Well said. I agree with much of what you say. There are certainly a lot of conservatives who conduct themselves in ways I think are mean-spirited and intolerant, and shame on them. But I think you don't fully give credit to how intolerant liberals are though. You can see it in the gay marriage debate where now anyone who supports the traditional view of marriage publicly is subject to all sorts of hateful statements, harrassment, losing their job, etc. I've never heard of anyone losing their job because some conservative fired them for supporting gay marriage. It is always easier to see the intolerance in the other side of the argument.
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leswp1
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I think depending on the part of the country you are in people are discriminated against for holding either stance. Usually with the same pattern of behavior only perpetrated by either side. I have friends who live in ultra conservative areas and ultra liberal areas. They say the same thing about the opposite point of view. If you read a transcript you couldn't tell who said it.
Bob, although they aren't worded in the most PC way I confess that I am curious about the response to the question posed. Every time someone asks it I hope you will answer. You are a thoughtful individual. You are entitled to your opinion and I would like to understand why you have it. Is it a visceral thing, a feeling of morality, religious conviction? Not quite sure but I want to understand because it is always good to understand a different point of view. If it is a moral/religious thing this is a fascinating conversation. If you put a Bible verse in front of 10 people they will interpret it 10 different ways, even something as short as Jesus wept.
I think depending on the part of the country you are in people are discriminated against for holding either stance. Usually with the same pattern of behavior only perpetrated by either side. I have friends who live in ultra conservative areas and ultra liberal areas. They say the same thing about the opposite point of view. If you read a transcript you couldn't tell who said it.
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I'm sure you can understand that having a truly substantive conversation on this is not something that can take place in a setting like this. I've been around here for over a decade and I've learned it's a pointless endeavor to try to drill deep on certain subjects, as most responses will be shrill and nasty.
I'm sure you can understand that having a truly substantive conversation on this is not something that can take place in a setting like this. I've been around here for over a decade and I've learned it's a pointless endeavor to try to drill deep on certain subjects, as most responses will be shrill and nasty.
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Are you saying this because you think liberal intolerance doesn't exist?
Are you saying this because you think liberal intolerance doesn't exist?
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It's another sign of our intolerance that we think they can be intolerant.
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I'm sure it does. However, it isn't nearly as prevalent as the intolerance displayed by those on the right - particularly from religious organizations. And why? Because they interpret a passage in a book to justify their prejudice - all while ignoring other passages in that book that define sinful behavior that they nonchalantly overlook.
I'm sure it does. However, it isn't nearly as prevalent as the intolerance displayed by those on the right - particularly from religious organizations. And why? Because they interpret a passage in a book to justify their prejudice - all while ignoring other passages in that book that define sinful behavior that they nonchalantly overlook.