Maine Hockey Thread II: The Search for Spock

[Runsub5]

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.............Thats what we gave the dunce that preceeded him.

Tim has been dismissed to the delight of many fans. We still have some fans who can't move forward and still rely on name calling and are still kicking a man who did much for the University of Maine hockey program beyond wins and losses.

 

[gscott13]

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Congrats to Joey Diamond on parlaying his ATO to a 1yr contract with the Isles.
http://islanders.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=666700

Still annoyed about that last game for Maine, but credit where it's due.

he was out of the line-up in portland tonight with a lower body injury

 

[Runsub5]

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..........Still annoyed about that last game for Maine, but credit where it's due.

I am more than annoyed. We will never know for sure, but Joey alone could possibly have prevented Maine from going to the Hockey East semi-final.

 

[all bear]

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Tim has been dismissed to the delight of many fans. We still have some fans who can't move forward and still rely on name calling and are still kicking a man who did much for the University of Maine hockey program beyond wins and losses.

He still proved himself to be a hockey coaching dunce. Just tellin it like it is. Let go at two different schools, what more proof do you need. If you dont like that, too bad.

 

[Ma#1ne Hky]

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After the last two weeks of highs/lows to Maine Hockey,imo I would think that for Maine Hockey going forward that they need to Clean House and go with a whole New Coaching Staff...and by that I don't mean not hiring someone with Maine Hockey ties...but a needed change would be a New Staff. No matter what the New Coach won't have to contend with the Shawn Walsh shadow but instead he will have Jim Montgomery out West to be compared to...figuring the first say 2 years will be rebuilding/retooling the Program for Maine,while out West Montgomery will be in a New League(NCHC)and has a few early players signings(3)...I would think that Montgomery will have a better start compared to his counterpart @ Maine(by that/Record wise and NCAA Apperances)...time will tell if there will be patience after the first two years @ Maine...especially if Montgomery gets DU to a Frozen 4 in one of his first 3 years.

 

[Drew S.]

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I am more than annoyed. We will never know for sure, but Joey alone could possibly have prevented Maine from going to the Hockey East semi-final.

Great point, the season would have been a million times better with a HEA semi final appearance.

 

[Runsub5]

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I appreciate what Montgomery did for Maine hockey, but I am getting weary of the Bangor Daily News (Mahoney), continually seeking him out for quotes and getting his "spin" on the hiring process. Probably just me. He (Montgomery), is now telling the University that they should have Standbrook on the search committee, I have no problem with Montgomery taking the DU job, more resources and money compared to Maine. He probably could have had the Maine job if he had waited.
http://bangordailynews.com/2013/04/...akes-right-choice-for-mens-hockey-head-coach/

 

[walrus]

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I appreciate what Montgomery did for Maine hockey, but I am getting weary of the Bangor Daily News (Mahoney), continually seeking him out for quotes and getting his "spin" on the hiring process. Probably just me. He (Montgomery), is now telling the University that they should have Standbrook on the search committee, I have no problem with Montgomery taking the DU job, more resources and money compared to Maine. He probably could have had the Maine job if he had waited.
http://bangordailynews.com/2013/04/...akes-right-choice-for-mens-hockey-head-coach/

Standbrook on the search committee makes perfect sense. I'm guessing Jimmy is talking as an Alum, no different than any other Alum talking about the coaching vacancy.

 

[Ma#1ne Hky]

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Standbrook on the search committee makes perfect sense. I'm guessing Jimmy is talking as an Alum, no different than any other Alum talking about the coaching vacancy.

I am very surprised that Standbrooks input was not looked for by UMaine...he would have added alot of insight imo. Oh well again...

 

[amherstblackbear]

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I'm kind of with runsub here, though I'm not sure who's really to blame. It could be as simple as Larry getting along well with Jimmy, and being able to get him to comment by phone or email. Maybe talking to Jimmy is an easy article.

To the point of *this* article -- it does seem strange that Standbrook wasn't the very first person Maine contacted regarding the search.

Still, I do think it's getting to be time for Jimmy to stop making public comments regarding Maine hockey -- and for Larry to stop asking. The miscommunication surrounding Maine's search isn't all on Abbott. Jimmy's comments about never being contacted may have been literally true, in the context of the specific question he was asked, but they were misleading nevertheless. If he were really interested in the job, he could have been more proactive when he DID speak to Abbott. He could have told DU that he needed a couple days to sleep on the offer, and quietly gotten Maine on the phone.

Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge Jimmy making what he thought was a good career move re: Denver. I'll root for him there. But don't need to hear about how he bleeds Maine blue. He can't have it both ways.

 

[Drew S.]

I'm kind of with runsub here, though I'm not sure who's really to blame. It could be as simple as Larry getting along well with Jimmy, and being able to get him to comment by phone or email. Maybe talking to Jimmy is an easy article.

To the point of *this* article -- it does seem strange that Standbrook wasn't the very first person Maine contacted regarding the search.

Still, I do think it's getting to be time for Jimmy to stop making public comments regarding Maine hockey -- and for Larry to stop asking. The miscommunication surrounding Maine's search isn't all on Abbott. Jimmy's comments about never being contacted may have been literally true, in the context of the specific question he was asked, but they were misleading nevertheless. If he were really interested in the job, he could have been more proactive when he DID speak to Abbott. He could have told DU that he needed a couple days to sleep on the offer, and quietly gotten Maine on the phone.

Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge Jimmy making what he thought was a good career move re: Denver. I'll root for him there. But don't need to hear about how he bleeds Maine blue. He can't have it both ways.

Does Grant have much for ties with the current Maine administration? I think that could be the biggest reason they haven't been in touch.

 

[Chuck Murray]

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To the point of *this* article -- it does seem strange that Standbrook wasn't the very first person Maine contacted regarding the search.

Listen, I know I wasn't paying as close attention as I did in the old days when Grant separated from UMaine ... but there was a separation, right? And Grant has been working with other teams/programs since, correct? And as Drew just mentioned, he may not have current ties with UMaine and/or its hiring committee? We don't know that UMaine didn't consider asking Grant about being on the committee (or not), do we? But please tell me ... exactly what would have been in it for Grant?

Still, I do think it's getting to be time for Jimmy to stop making public comments regarding Maine hockey -- and for Larry to stop asking. The miscommunication surrounding Maine's search isn't all on Abbott. Jimmy's comments about never being contacted may have been literally true, in the context of the specific question he was asked, but they were misleading nevertheless. If he were really interested in the job, he could have been more proactive when he DID speak to Abbott. He could have told DU that he needed a couple days to sleep on the offer, and quietly gotten Maine on the phone.

More proactive ... how? Begging for the UMaine job, and in doing so, bypassing a pretty nice opportunity for what appears to be a lot more money and better resources in Denver?

I understand both of these guys had some special times up in Orono, but there seems to be an overriding assumption here that there is an attachment, if not on obligation owed to UMaine by these guys ... and I'm happy to be shown the error(s) in my thinking here, but I'm really struggling to try to see why that's the case.

P.S. - BTW, who is this Spock guy? Is he on the committee, or is he a candidate??

 

[Ma#1ne Hky]

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Does Grant have much for ties with the current Maine administration? I think that could be the biggest reason they haven't been in touch.

The Maine Administration not knowing who Grant Standbrook is and what he stood for during Maine Hockeys better times...give me a break...if they feel that they needed ties to Standbrook then we are really in trouble with this outfit at the "U".

 

[Priceless]

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then we are really in trouble with this outfit at the "U".

Welcome to the party, pal!

 

[amherstblackbear]

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Listen, I know I wasn't paying as close attention as I did in the old days when Grant separated from UMaine ... but there was a separation, right? And Grant has been working with other teams/programs since, correct? And as Drew just mentioned, he may not have current ties with UMaine and/or its hiring committee? We don't know that UMaine didn't consider asking Grant about being on the committee (or not), do we? But please tell me ... exactly what would have been in it for Grant?

Compensation? Influence? What difference does it make?

As for ties . . . as far as I know, Maine hockey doesn't have direct ties to Peter Metcalf, either, and he's (1) been separated from Maine hockey for longer than Grant has, and (2) had substantially less history with Maine hockey than Grant to begin with.

I gotta be honest with you - I'm having a really hard time understanding why it might be confusing that Maine should have invited Standbrook. Whether or not he accepts is a separate issue.

More proactive ... how? Begging for the UMaine job, and in doing so, bypassing a pretty nice opportunity for what appears to be a lot more money and better resources in Denver?

I understand both of these guys had some special times up in Orono, but there seems to be an overriding assumption here that there is an attachment, if not on obligation owed to UMaine by these guys ... and I'm happy to be shown the error(s) in my thinking here, but I'm really struggling to try to see why that's the case.

I think you're out of the loop and missing the context*. My post was a subtle suggestion to the big Montgomery supporters among us (read: not you) that maybe all the Montgomery-to-Orono talk was wishful thinking to begin with.

*There was an article earlier this spring that suggested Montgomery was super interested in the future of Maine hockey, interested in the job specifically, and that he was shocked (and hurt?) that nobody ever spoke to him about it. As a result of that article, the nutcases nearly lynched Steve Abbott. Further reporting suggested that Montgomery's comments may have been a wee bit lawyer-istic. What do you know -- he and Abbott did speak the same week that Whitehead was fired. What did they talk about? Neither Abbott nor Montgomery will say, but I'm guessing it wasn't about American Idol or the weather.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not endorsing how Abbott has handled things. But I'm also increasingly convinced that Montgomery is actually a better politician than Abbott is. He certainly seems to have the speaking out of both sides of his mouth thing down. Unless the BDN has been taking him wildly out of context. But if that were the case, why would Montgomery still be talking to the BDN?

 

[Chuck Murray]

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Compensation? Influence? What difference does it make?

Serious question - at this point in his career, does Grant want/need either (especially the "influence"? part)?

As for ties . . . as far as I know, Maine hockey doesn't have direct ties to Peter Metcalf, either, and he's (1) been separated from Maine hockey for longer than Grant has, and (2) had substantially less history with Maine hockey than Grant to begin with.

I gotta be honest with you - I'm having a really hard time understanding why it might be confusing that Maine should have invited Standbrook. Whether or not he accepts is a separate issue.

Do we know for a fact that UMaine didn't consider inviting him or did invite him, but he signaled/told them outright "thanks but no thanks"?

I think you're out of the loop and missing the context. My post was a subtle suggestion to the big Montgomery supporters among us (read: not you) that maybe all the Montgomery-to-Orono talk was wishful thinking to begin with.

Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[amherstblackbear]

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I could be wrong re: not inviting Standbrook to be on the committee. I thought it came from one of Larry Mahoney's "Hey, I talked to Jimmy again" articles in the BDN. My reading was that Montgomery expressed surprised that Maine didn't invite Standbrook -- emphasis on invite.

Again, whether or not Grant accepts -- and whatever his motivations for doing so (or not) -- that's his business. It's the suggestion that he wasn't asked that's provocative.

To be extra, extra clear - I'm not criticizing Montgomery for taking the DU job. He told the Denver Post it was the job he wanted . . . and I believe him.

To the extent that I'm criticizing Montgomery, I'm criticizing him for continuing his "Hey, don't blame me -- I'm the good guy here" public relations routine in the Bangor Daily News.

 

[Runsub5]

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..........Do we know for a fact that UMaine didn't consider inviting him or did invite him, but he signaled/told them outright "thanks but no thanks"?

I don't think we know anything about what has taken place. All conjecture.

 

[walrus]

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I'd bet they didn't invite Grant as I don't believe he is around as he lives in Fla. most of the year. I think once he walked away that was it. Tim surely didn't want him around and I'd bet he can take a hint

 

[ck1969]

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If they wanted Jimmy for the job, or if they even thought of him as a top 1 or 2 candidate they would've called him the minute they fired Timmay. IMO their plan all along was to hire Bob. I can only imagine his salary will be substantially lower than 190K. Maybe they like what he had to say all along...ie. before Tim got canned. At this point I hope Bob does get the job. I personally don't see anyone else out there (that we have a legitimate shot at) that makes me excited. The program will improve with Bob. That's all I care about. It's not gonna be an overnight turnaround. We can pizz and moan all we want about the process, search bs, whatever. We can't control ANY OF IT! Jeezus all everyone wanted was Tim gone. He's gone. Better days are ahead. So chill peeps. Re-read what Bob said in his post. It's everything I want in a coach. Yes, did I want Jimmy...of course I did. But there wasn't an automatic nation championship packed in his suitcase either. Corkum bleeds Maine as much as anybody else. And being as close to the whole fiasco as he's been, I'm sure he wants to turn it around a h e l l of alot more than some outsider ie Gwaz, or some BC asst. Whatever happens, it d am n well can't get worse.