Ineverquit
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Re: Maine Hockey: Summer 2015 on the Stillwater
Maybe we will be lucky enough to get 5 ties this year at this rate.
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Maine Hockey: Summer 2015 on the Stillwater
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Ma#1ne Hky
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Re: Maine Hockey: Summer 2015 on the Stillwater
JUST throwing this out to all: Do you think that "IF" Maine continues it's dismal play from here on in till the end of the season...and can ONLY muster less then 8-10 wins in a 36 game schedule that Gendron should make a CHANGE in his Staff..? By changes, we know that Ben Guite has been bumped up to Associate Head Coach recently...so with that would Leach be replaced and say add "SOMEONE" from a different Program with NO TIES to Maine as either a player or assistant coach.? Just some questions to ponder as this season heads into Hockey East Play next weekend @ BC.
JUST throwing this out to all: Do you think that "IF" Maine continues it's dismal play from here on in till the end of the season...and can ONLY muster less then 8-10 wins in a 36 game schedule that Gendron should make a CHANGE in his Staff..? By changes, we know that Ben Guite has been bumped up to Associate Head Coach recently...so with that would Leach be replaced and say add "SOMEONE" from a different Program with NO TIES to Maine as either a player or assistant coach.? Just some questions to ponder as this season heads into Hockey East Play next weekend @ BC.
walrus
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I can't see it unless Jay quits on his own. Not sure what that would do anyway.
Re: Maine Hockey: Summer 2015 on the Stillwater
It doesn't get any softer than Princeton. I don't see a W on the schedule until possibly the last weekend in November. There isn't a team in HE this squad could beat right now. If they get 5 wins total I'd be shocked.
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Nothing. This isn't Jay's fault by any means. It's an untalented, unmotivated group.
Nothing. This isn't Jay's fault by any means. It's an untalented, unmotivated group.
Re: Maine Hockey: Summer 2015 on the Stillwater
I hope getting back to more of a normal schedule helps, along with actually playing some games at home. For whatever reason Maine has actually done pretty well the last four or five years against BC and hopefully that continues next weekend. I saw Lowell play one game and wasn't overly impressed. I'm not sure how good UVM is this year. The truth for Maine is they probably aren't as good as they looked the first weekend or as bad as they have looked the last few games. I would say they wind up somewhere right around 12 wins.
I hope getting back to more of a normal schedule helps, along with actually playing some games at home. For whatever reason Maine has actually done pretty well the last four or five years against BC and hopefully that continues next weekend. I saw Lowell play one game and wasn't overly impressed. I'm not sure how good UVM is this year. The truth for Maine is they probably aren't as good as they looked the first weekend or as bad as they have looked the last few games. I would say they wind up somewhere right around 12 wins.
Ma#1ne Hky
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Re: Maine Hockey: Summer 2015 on the Stillwater
Nothing against Leach, but a NEW view on the College game, sometimes changes are needed and not accepted in turning a Program around that is stuck thinking the PAST will come back...College Hockey has changed and there are MORE teams that have improved there programs and recruiting tactics...through New Coaches/New Arena's and Training Centers...you have to change at some degree to keep up with the others.
Ma#1ne Hky
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Re: Maine Hockey: Summer 2015 on the Stillwater
Then this GROUP is in trouble...because IF they don't work there butts off they are never going to improve this year or next...which will mean that Gendrons 4 years was a waste.
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Yes they are in trouble. The one glimmer of hope gave up 8 goals this weekend.
Yes they are in trouble. The one glimmer of hope gave up 8 goals this weekend.
walrus
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umhockey91
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Re: Maine Hockey: Summer 2015 on the Stillwater
UM athletics is sort of stuck in a time warp. Seems like they are headed in the right direction with thwir hoops programs but hockey and football are both in need of changes. I don't think that it isa coinsidence that both head coaches of those programs are 60ish and "old school" with thier thought processes.
UM athletics is sort of stuck in a time warp. Seems like they are headed in the right direction with thwir hoops programs but hockey and football are both in need of changes. I don't think that it isa coinsidence that both head coaches of those programs are 60ish and "old school" with thier thought processes.
walrus
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Re: Maine Hockey: Summer 2015 on the Stillwater
Thats what I'm wondering about Red, can he relate to todays players? I'm not totally convinced
Thats what I'm wondering about Red, can he relate to todays players? I'm not totally convinced
rufus
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Me too. there's something in their collective psyche that they just can't overcome. start out the season fresh, with two performances that show they're capable of playing with anyone, but then a couple more games with no success to show for, and then suddenly they're playing like they're incapable of beating a prep school team. As Wally said, is Red getting through to them? Or is it the longer they're exposed to him, the more they tune out his message. I dunno, this team is a puzzle. Three years into it, and they're worse than they were in his first season.
On a brighter note, it looks like maybe Gibson has decided he wants to make something of this team.
Me too. there's something in their collective psyche that they just can't overcome. start out the season fresh, with two performances that show they're capable of playing with anyone, but then a couple more games with no success to show for, and then suddenly they're playing like they're incapable of beating a prep school team. As Wally said, is Red getting through to them? Or is it the longer they're exposed to him, the more they tune out his message. I dunno, this team is a puzzle. Three years into it, and they're worse than they were in his first season.
On a brighter note, it looks like maybe Gibson has decided he wants to make something of this team.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Maine Hockey: Summer 2015 on the Stillwater
End of the first season and its just gone downhill from there.
End of the first season and its just gone downhill from there.
blackbearbandie
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Re: Maine Hockey: Summer 2015 on the Stillwater
BC plays UMass on Tuesday. Maybe Maine will be fresher and can stun BC at home...
BC plays UMass on Tuesday. Maybe Maine will be fresher and can stun BC at home...
hobeyfaker
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Re: Maine Hockey: Summer 2015 on the Stillwater
Other than perhaps the Quinn. game, the team has played hard enough, and is coached well enough. Red simply has not been able to get adequate talent for them to be competitive, and it's getting worse. A great goaltending performance against N.D. got our hopes up, but the team's true color has emerged. Seems hard to believe they actually had a winning record Red's first yr. You simply can't win without some good players, especially in net. It's just plain sad.
Other than perhaps the Quinn. game, the team has played hard enough, and is coached well enough. Red simply has not been able to get adequate talent for them to be competitive, and it's getting worse. A great goaltending performance against N.D. got our hopes up, but the team's true color has emerged. Seems hard to believe they actually had a winning record Red's first yr. You simply can't win without some good players, especially in net. It's just plain sad.
Fishman'81
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Re: Maine Hockey: Summer 2015 on the Stillwater
That was my feeling 3 years ago. I wanted Corkum because he had the Maine ties and the resume to sell the program to kids who expected to play hockey for a living. And his relative youth was a big plus, too; no doubt many prospective recruits' parents had heard of his solid and lengthy NHL career.
Red has no doubt worked very hard, but the proof is in the pudding... He's got a lot of "his" guys on this team, and they are headed for the worst start in Maine since the waning years of Semler's reign. It's gotten so bad for me that I'm going to ditch the BC series for Maine field hockey v. Cal in Albany this weekend. {Our girls are good (17-3), and it's a fun game to watch... Hope some of you make the trip. Maine definitely has a shot!}
That was my feeling 3 years ago. I wanted Corkum because he had the Maine ties and the resume to sell the program to kids who expected to play hockey for a living. And his relative youth was a big plus, too; no doubt many prospective recruits' parents had heard of his solid and lengthy NHL career.
Red has no doubt worked very hard, but the proof is in the pudding... He's got a lot of "his" guys on this team, and they are headed for the worst start in Maine since the waning years of Semler's reign. It's gotten so bad for me that I'm going to ditch the BC series for Maine field hockey v. Cal in Albany this weekend. {Our girls are good (17-3), and it's a fun game to watch... Hope some of you make the trip. Maine definitely has a shot!}
Wrong. There are still more Timmy guys than Red guys on the team. I'm actually happy enough with the goaltending and D. The biggest issue for me is the forwards in the jr and sr classes, especially the jr class. The senior class could have shore and Lomberg so you can't complain too much about the talent level there. The jr class on the other hand just hasn't been good enough. Two of the guys who originally came in didn't last beyond a year, one didn't even play in a game. The four who have stuck around are too small to be effective. It's going to take a few more years for Maine to be good. I think the class coming in next year should be really good up front.
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Yes... the majority of the juniors and seniors on this team were recruited under Timmy's watch. But that's not really giving Red the benefit of the doubt in terms of the team's abysmal start because there are only 8 guys with at least (wow, this is a sad way to put it) 2 points and 7 of them are juniors and seniors.
Save for McGovern's Ice Breaker performance (the jury is still out), name me the freshman or sophomore recruited by Red who is going to be a clear cut, consistent, actual difference maker for this team? Vesey is obviously the best bet, he's loaded with potential but he also has a bagel through 7 games. Even if he decides to start showing up on the score sheet, this season is fruitless and he's probably only here for one more year. Yes, I get that he's not Devin Shore, but he has a professional hockey pedigree and probably wants to try his hands at the minors sooner rather than later given Maine's fat chance to compete in the next two years. Beyond that, what's there? You could tell me how Perez is alright and that he's a big kid. Maybe he'll turn into something? Maybe. I liked the physicality Malcom Hayes brought last year, but his complete lack of production combined with his 2 or 3 penalties/game hasn't made him worth dressing consistently nor does it help the problem (3 GP out of 7). I don't see a lot of guys in the lower two classes who are going to be clear cut offensive leaders once they get some age, size and experience under their belt as juniors and seniors. When Devin was a freshman... when Gus, Flynn and Abbott were freshmen... and on and on back to as many examples as you'd like to give... you knew that they weren't all they could be yet, but that they'd get there and it would be great.
Next year's class MAY be good up front, but if that's the case, it still puts us a couple years away from a MAYBE. Red will have been here for 5 years by the time they're sophomores. I supported the Red hire, and I'm rooting for him to succeed, but given that the 2nd year was worse than the 1st year, this year is looking much worse than last year, and we're hanging our hat on what we MIGHT be 3 years from now... at what point do we slow down the patient benefit of the doubt?
Yes... the majority of the juniors and seniors on this team were recruited under Timmy's watch. But that's not really giving Red the benefit of the doubt in terms of the team's abysmal start because there are only 8 guys with at least (wow, this is a sad way to put it) 2 points and 7 of them are juniors and seniors.
Save for McGovern's Ice Breaker performance (the jury is still out), name me the freshman or sophomore recruited by Red who is going to be a clear cut, consistent, actual difference maker for this team? Vesey is obviously the best bet, he's loaded with potential but he also has a bagel through 7 games. Even if he decides to start showing up on the score sheet, this season is fruitless and he's probably only here for one more year. Yes, I get that he's not Devin Shore, but he has a professional hockey pedigree and probably wants to try his hands at the minors sooner rather than later given Maine's fat chance to compete in the next two years. Beyond that, what's there? You could tell me how Perez is alright and that he's a big kid. Maybe he'll turn into something? Maybe. I liked the physicality Malcom Hayes brought last year, but his complete lack of production combined with his 2 or 3 penalties/game hasn't made him worth dressing consistently nor does it help the problem (3 GP out of 7). I don't see a lot of guys in the lower two classes who are going to be clear cut offensive leaders once they get some age, size and experience under their belt as juniors and seniors. When Devin was a freshman... when Gus, Flynn and Abbott were freshmen... and on and on back to as many examples as you'd like to give... you knew that they weren't all they could be yet, but that they'd get there and it would be great.
Next year's class MAY be good up front, but if that's the case, it still puts us a couple years away from a MAYBE. Red will have been here for 5 years by the time they're sophomores. I supported the Red hire, and I'm rooting for him to succeed, but given that the 2nd year was worse than the 1st year, this year is looking much worse than last year, and we're hanging our hat on what we MIGHT be 3 years from now... at what point do we slow down the patient benefit of the doubt?
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