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Maine Black Bears 2020: The Hunt For Red October
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blackbear27
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Re: Maine Black Bears 2020: The Hunt For Red October
I'm not saying that the last 8 years have been good, I'm not saying Red is a good coach. I'm just saying that you don't need to fill up your Depends every time something slightly positive happens. I would say you're generally negative about the team, but you're not throwing temper tantrums when they win and don't scream "look at me I was right" when they lose. You and most other fans on here are actually level headed and call it like it is.
No one is saying you need to constantly sing the praises. Losing to teams like St. Lawrence was frustrating and the team and especially Red deserves criticism for playing down to opponents. But you don't need to be poopy pants about every single thing. After the BC sweep Fishy was crying about how many goals they scored instead of being happy for a bright spot in the middle of years of misery. Just because you're old doesn't mean you're a "good" fan.
I'm not saying that the last 8 years have been good, I'm not saying Red is a good coach. I'm just saying that you don't need to fill up your Depends every time something slightly positive happens. I would say you're generally negative about the team, but you're not throwing temper tantrums when they win and don't scream "look at me I was right" when they lose. You and most other fans on here are actually level headed and call it like it is.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: Maine Black Bears 2020: The Hunt For Red October
I'm pessimistic that next season will happen as well. I think there's a < 50-50 chance that the campus will even be open for the Fall semester.
I'm pessimistic that next season will happen as well. I think there's a < 50-50 chance that the campus will even be open for the Fall semester.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Maine Black Bears 2020: The Hunt For Red October
What it means is a lot of us have been following the team for a long time. We are still following the team and hoping for good results. We read everything we can about the team, follow recruiting etc. I think thats the definition of a fan.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: Maine Black Bears 2020: The Hunt For Red October
I'm guessing that you're a younger fan than most of us old geezers, and it's good to have the perspective of young-bloods who haven't been biased by past results... Dinosaurs such as myself happily wallowed in Maine's prominence/dominance for years and years, and I (for one) do feel butt-hurt by the Red Era.
My point (again) was this: Maine was only in the mix by dint of a weekend sweep at BC, which gave them an incredible 15-spot jump in the PW. I have never seen anything like that before, and I pay attention. If you care about stats, note that Maine was like #23 in the KRACH, which many of us find far more credible.
This season was a flash-in-the-pan for Red, and I don't want to see him extended on the basis of it. That would make no sense, IMO. His track record clearly indicates that he hasn't earned that, and likely never will.
I'm guessing that you're a younger fan than most of us old geezers, and it's good to have the perspective of young-bloods who haven't been biased by past results... Dinosaurs such as myself happily wallowed in Maine's prominence/dominance for years and years, and I (for one) do feel butt-hurt by the Red Era.
My point (again) was this: Maine was only in the mix by dint of a weekend sweep at BC, which gave them an incredible 15-spot jump in the PW. I have never seen anything like that before, and I pay attention. If you care about stats, note that Maine was like #23 in the KRACH, which many of us find far more credible.
This season was a flash-in-the-pan for Red, and I don't want to see him extended on the basis of it. That would make no sense, IMO. His track record clearly indicates that he hasn't earned that, and likely never will.
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If I may chime in, I too don't think that this past season warrants an extension for Red, and next year is the true make or break season for him. If they do replicate a year like the one we just saw, maybe an extension could be worth giving. But we will have to see what happens.
The thing I worry about is that Red could be our Don Cahoon, and his replacement could end up being John Michiletto. Red is not going to be winning any national championships, but you could also do much worse than him. Maine is, nationally, a solid, middle of the road team. Certainly not world beaters, but the program's situation could be much worse than where it stands.
umhockey91
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Re: Maine Black Bears 2020: The Hunt For Red October
Trump says we'll all be back to work by Easter.
Trump says we'll all be back to work by Easter.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: Maine Black Bears 2020: The Hunt For Red October
I'll be back at work in a couple of days, trying to manage 2 people sharing the same ventilator, and in multiple rooms.
All the while, FEMA has 20K vents in stock, which aren't available to NY as of now.
Trump is a bigly stable genius, ain't he?
Trump says we'll all be back to work by Easter.
I'll be back at work in a couple of days, trying to manage 2 people sharing the same ventilator, and in multiple rooms.
All the while, FEMA has 20K vents in stock, which aren't available to NY as of now.
Trump is a bigly stable genius, ain't he?
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Re: Maine Black Bears 2020: The Hunt For Red October
Larry Mahoney not holding back in his article about the future of Maine hockey. He dismisses the AD's excuses as to why Maine hockey hasn't been better under Gendron. Lays out AD's alternatives for the future of Gendron. Basically, he says Gendron deserves one more year and then reassess his performance. Maine is trending upward but it's incremental according to Larry. Finishing 15th in the pairwise is an improvement but does not measure up to Gendron's claims of prominence when first hired. If Doherty does not return, Tralmaks is the only returning forward with more than 9 goals in a season!
Larry Mahoney not holding back in his article about the future of Maine hockey. He dismisses the AD's excuses as to why Maine hockey hasn't been better under Gendron. Lays out AD's alternatives for the future of Gendron. Basically, he says Gendron deserves one more year and then reassess his performance. Maine is trending upward but it's incremental according to Larry. Finishing 15th in the pairwise is an improvement but does not measure up to Gendron's claims of prominence when first hired. If Doherty does not return, Tralmaks is the only returning forward with more than 9 goals in a season!
Re: Maine Black Bears 2020: The Hunt For Red October
I think the real question is how long does Red want to keep coaching? Maine’s best case scenario would be that Red will retire from the head coaching position after the 20-21 season and they appoint a coach in waiting a la New Hampshire did with Umile a couple of years ago.
I think the real question is how long does Red want to keep coaching? Maine’s best case scenario would be that Red will retire from the head coaching position after the 20-21 season and they appoint a coach in waiting a la New Hampshire did with Umile a couple of years ago.
Re: Maine Black Bears 2020: The Hunt For Red October
That's a possibility. Only Gendron can answer that question.
That's a possibility. Only Gendron can answer that question.
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: Maine Black Bears 2020: The Hunt For Red October
So, I was converting the 1991 NCAA semifinal between BU and Clarkson yesterday and after the game completed I checked the tape to see if there was another game on it. There was, one I had no idea I had on tape: the 1993 NCAA Championship between Maine and LSSU. The tracking/quality is not the best, but I converted it and uploaded it to my Google Drive anyway. If there is a better copy out there let me know so I can use the space for another game.
Sean
So, I was converting the 1991 NCAA semifinal between BU and Clarkson yesterday and after the game completed I checked the tape to see if there was another game on it. There was, one I had no idea I had on tape: the 1993 NCAA Championship between Maine and LSSU. The tracking/quality is not the best, but I converted it and uploaded it to my Google Drive anyway. If there is a better copy out there let me know so I can use the space for another game.
Sean
Ma#1ne Hky
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Re: Maine Black Bears 2020: The Hunt For Red October
If and when Gendron is done Coaching Maine Hockey...imo, and many others will think or say different which is a good thing...I myself say no to a Coach on the staff in waiting...when time comes...make the Hire and let the *NEW* Coach select his own Coaching staff and go from there...just my thoughts...knowing full well others have there's.
BlackBearFan19
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I’ve been thinking the same thing as well. It’s a hard thing that will be even more difficult if Maine is good next year. If they’re decent next year and red decides to retire, do we give Guite or Alfiie a chance?
When I look at the recruiting, the biggest issue has been holding onto players. Guite, leach and Allfie threw together two nice classes back to back. Starting with the Pearson/Fossier class and following with Swayman, keeper and Tralmaks. I have been disappointed by the past two classes.
I thought that was the best article that Larry has ever written to be honest. I think there’s a lot of uncertainty around the program right now, do we look at former players or do we hire from outside when the time comes? Are the issues in the program deeper than the coach? Is a new coach alone going to get Maine back to national prominence?
The next twelve months should be interesting for Maine hockey.
I would hope they hire from outside the program.
BlackBearFan19
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Re: Maine Black Bears 2020: The Hunt For Red October
I'd have to agree, I would feel back for Guite and Alfie leaving but I think we need to find an outsider.
The programs who should be the mold for Maine are Lowell and Providence. Leaman and Bazin are the two coaches I respect most in Hockey East because they've built great programs without stars. Lowell's top two scorers this year only had 23 and 20 points. Leaman had some firepower this year but this was his worst season in recent memory. Both of those coaches have brought in players who play their system and that's why they have sustained success.
You can't ignore Madigan and Carvel over the last few seasons but I think their models are not practical at Maine. Maine doesn't have the bells and whistles of the Mass schools and that's okay. I also don't see Northeastern or UMass sustaining the success they've had. We're not going to attract first round draft picks and we're not going to get grad transfers, but the programs that are relying on that kind of talent can be very risky as we've seen with BU and BC. BU and BC have had great talent over the past couple of years but neither have truly competed on the national stage.
Our goal should be to find 4 year guys who play a good all around game. Maine is still the only school in hockey east where the hockey players are the top athletes on campus, they're the hottest ticket in town and the fans truly care. This should be the message to recruits. We're not going to top schools academically, we're not going to top them with facilities but we can top them with environment and passion.
I'd have to agree, I would feel back for Guite and Alfie leaving but I think we need to find an outsider.
The programs who should be the mold for Maine are Lowell and Providence. Leaman and Bazin are the two coaches I respect most in Hockey East because they've built great programs without stars. Lowell's top two scorers this year only had 23 and 20 points. Leaman had some firepower this year but this was his worst season in recent memory. Both of those coaches have brought in players who play their system and that's why they have sustained success.
You can't ignore Madigan and Carvel over the last few seasons but I think their models are not practical at Maine. Maine doesn't have the bells and whistles of the Mass schools and that's okay. I also don't see Northeastern or UMass sustaining the success they've had. We're not going to attract first round draft picks and we're not going to get grad transfers, but the programs that are relying on that kind of talent can be very risky as we've seen with BU and BC. BU and BC have had great talent over the past couple of years but neither have truly competed on the national stage.
Our goal should be to find 4 year guys who play a good all around game. Maine is still the only school in hockey east where the hockey players are the top athletes on campus, they're the hottest ticket in town and the fans truly care. This should be the message to recruits. We're not going to top schools academically, we're not going to top them with facilities but we can top them with environment and passion.
tylerzx2002
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Re: Maine Black Bears 2020: The Hunt For Red October
Working from home this week but projects are few and far between with all our casinos shut down, so I have some down time to mess around, which lead to this mockup. We can dream right?
https://i.imgur.com/hQ7HuL6.jpg
Working from home this week but projects are few and far between with all our casinos shut down, so I have some down time to mess around, which lead to this mockup. We can dream right?
https://i.imgur.com/hQ7HuL6.jpg
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