LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

[DM2SM]

Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

Lakers2Glory, I understand you are doing your job which isn’t an easy task right now, but you just can’t say that you know the players and cheer for the coach at the same time.

You are asking for "rational thinking" when this forum has never been more rational; at last we are looking at facts and the big picture.
Being rational would also mean applying the coach’s own words to himself; but we would have been writing about someone else for many years now.

After 8 years as head coach+Clarkson+LSSU adding up to about 25 years, do you really consider an additional 2 years trial period as a rational suggestion ?
Since you have an easy access to the coach’s office and watch the practices enough to back his positions when they are questioned, why don’t you share some rational comments about the players physical and mental preparation.

But why isn’t anybody looking at the root causes ?

If the coach is doing such a great job for so little money, he really is a bargain. Why haven’t the 85000$ been outbid then ?

Maybe be (just suggesting) because, over the last 30 years, coaches, players, referees and athletic directors have made up their minds and shared their views. May be the pre-season polls just tell us that no matter who is on the ice, the Lakers can’t be expected to overcome that handicap and meet their own goals (what was it for this season ?).
Yes they finished 8th, which is not what was expected, and one game could have made it 10th (let alone national rankings).
Could it be that tricking behind the boss’ back, involving the police with a referee, intimidating players, and manipulating the medias … makes it tough to expect loyalty and commitment from individuals on a team.
What about inconsistency year in year out ? Can it be suggested that the common denominator is inconsistent ?

But you are right. The guys on the team are great, and Monardo,as many others, tried hard throughout the season … and the previous, and the previous .... Each summer, they go home and do their best to remedy the lacks you must have noticed when watching practices and talking to the players you know.

Is it a possibility that even the best summer preparation and high spirit can fall apart as the season progress because it is undermined by the person in charge ?

Just asking ! Feel free to provides facts in a rational and civil manner.

Anyway, in an environment where everybody is struggling for survival, it looks like the administration is considering mediocrity as better than death, choosing to deal with issues they consider more important.
An additional win or two next season, and they might be relieved to give at go for a few years more.

This is the best post I have ever seen. Completely sums it up. Great Job!

 

[sm2pk]

Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

The only thing we can hope for is that Roque was handed his head on a platter from Bowling Green and Roque does some soul searching and starts thinking on how to become a better coach .

 

[AnchorsAway]

Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

Not surprised at all about Lain leaving, but a little surprised that Robinson might leave early.

Let's hope the Marble situation doesn't comes back and bite the Lakers in the arse.

Well with the possibility of Robinson also possibly leaving it appears now we may have found the answer as to why the Lakers are bringing in one more forward than we had thought they had the room for on the roster.

 

[AnchorsAway]

Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

AnchorsAway-The administration caused this problem. By offering Roque a multi-year deal last year, they basically handcuffed the University into not being able to make a change until at least 2 more years from now.

I personally believe, based on what I have seen with my own eyes and through talking with players, that Coach Roque and his staff do a great job in preparing the guys to play. Alex Vanos, the new strength coach, has been working with the guys all year. I think a whole summer to work with some of the players will really help with next year. As far as mental prep goes, I believe this year alot of mistakes were caused by inexperience. It would def explain why the PP was so hot and cold. Some nights the guys would shoot-shoot-shoot and other times they couldn't pull the trigger. Zach Trotman knew when to shoot, the freshman don't quite have that feel yet.

My issue with people's comments have been on the effort side. Everyone currently in the LSSU Hockey program give 100% to doing the things that need to be done in order to be successful. What I can't argue with is methodology. Are the Lakers setting up the powerplay correctly? Are the Lakers breaking-out correctly? Are the Lakers looking at the right video? I don't know the answers to that, but based on results I would have to say probably not.

If we had the funds, I would love to go out an get an "Enrico Blasi" type guy. Problem is we don't, and that is a problem I wish we never had to talk about.

Those seem like plausible explanations, the only thing I would play devil's advocate to is that it seems like the failures or this years team (inconsistent power play, etc.) are duplicates of many past years teams regardless if the roster was full of young guys or more veteran laden. The Lakers problems are many, not the least of which is monetary, in a situation like that it behooves the administration to make well informed decisions based on their tight budget, going forward hopefully the focus is on making the right move as opposed to the easiest move (which may or may not include keeping the status quo). In any case I think we all appreciate the insight you bring to this thread.

 

[Truth Squad]

Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

Lakers2Glory, I understand you are doing your job which isn’t an easy task right now, but you just can’t say that you know the players and cheer for the coach at the same time.

You are asking for "rational thinking" when this forum has never been more rational; at last we are looking at facts and the big picture.
Being rational would also mean applying the coach’s own words to himself; but we would have been writing about someone else for many years now.

After 8 years as head coach+Clarkson+LSSU adding up to about 25 years, do you really consider an additional 2 years trial period as a rational suggestion ?
Since you have an easy access to the coach’s office and watch the practices enough to back his positions when they are questioned, why don’t you share some rational comments about the players physical and mental preparation.

But why isn’t anybody looking at the root causes ?

If the coach is doing such a great job for so little money, he really is a bargain. Why haven’t the 85000$ been outbid then ?

Maybe be (just suggesting) because, over the last 30 years, coaches, players, referees and athletic directors have made up their minds and shared their views. May be the pre-season polls just tell us that no matter who is on the ice, the Lakers can’t be expected to overcome that handicap and meet their own goals (what was it for this season ?).
Yes they finished 8th, which is not what was expected, and one game could have made it 10th (let alone national rankings).
Could it be that tricking behind the boss’ back, involving the police with a referee, intimidating players, and manipulating the medias … makes it tough to expect loyalty and commitment from individuals on a team.
What about inconsistency year in year out ? Can it be suggested that the common denominator is inconsistent ?

But you are right. The guys on the team are great, and Monardo,as many others, tried hard throughout the season … and the previous, and the previous .... Each summer, they go home and do their best to remedy the lacks you must have noticed when watching practices and talking to the players you know.

Is it a possibility that even the best summer preparation and high spirit can fall apart as the season progress because it is undermined by the person in charge ?

Just asking ! Feel free to provides facts in a rational and civil manner.

Anyway, in an environment where everybody is struggling for survival, it looks like the administration is considering mediocrity as better than death, choosing to deal with issues they consider more important.
An additional win or two next season, and they might be relieved to give at go for a few years more.

The Truth Is Out There....
TBA

 

[DB Cooper]

Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

AnchorsAway-The administration caused this problem. By offering Roque a multi-year deal last year, they basically handcuffed the University into not being able to make a change until at least 2 more years from now.

I personally believe, based on what I have seen with my own eyes and through talking with players, that Coach Roque and his staff do a great job in preparing the guys to play. Alex Vanos, the new strength coach, has been working with the guys all year. I think a whole summer to work with some of the players will really help with next year. As far as mental prep goes, I believe this year alot of mistakes were caused by inexperience. It would def explain why the PP was so hot and cold. Some nights the guys would shoot-shoot-shoot and other times they couldn't pull the trigger. Zach Trotman knew when to shoot, the freshman don't quite have that feel yet.

My issue with people's comments have been on the effort side. Everyone currently in the LSSU Hockey program give 100% to doing the things that need to be done in order to be successful. What I can't argue with is methodology. Are the Lakers setting up the powerplay correctly? Are the Lakers breaking-out correctly? Are the Lakers looking at the right video? I don't know the answers to that, but based on results I would have to say probably not.

If we had the funds, I would love to go out an get an "Enrico Blasi" type guy. Problem is we don't, and that is a problem I wish we never had to talk about.

I like your passion and dedication to the players. And even though my post made you angry, allow me to clarify and I think you'll see we are on the same side of this one.

Even though I believe, as a team, the Laker effort level isn't what it needs to be, I have never believed that there are people in the program that don't care, or who don't want to win. I'm sure that on sunday night that locker room was a dark place. They must have been crushed to be beaten that way, especially at home by a team without superior talent. Additionally, it has to hurt to look up in the stands and see fewer than 1000 fans for a do or die playoff game.

These players deserve better. They have put in unimaginable time, effort and resources to get to a division 1 level. I think this staff does an excellent job finding players for this program. I firmly believe the talent level of this team, even without the players who left early last year, is better than half of the CCHA teams. But the culture of the program is not one that gets maximum results. Effort level in a team is learned. It is not about wanting to win. Everyone wants to win. It's about being taught how to win. Only when an accurate reckoning is taken, can this program move forward.

 

[Truth Serum]

Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

1. Could it be that tricking behind the boss’ back, involving the police with a referee, intimidating players, and manipulating the medias … makes it tough to expect loyalty and commitment from individuals on a team.

2. What about inconsistency year in year out ?

3. Can it be suggested that the common denominator is inconsistent ?

4. Is it a possibility that even the best summer preparation and high spirit can fall apart as the season progress because it is undermined by the person in charge ?

Feel free to provides facts in a rational and civil manner.

1. Referees fault, what intimidation, the media is constantly critical of this coach, the players love playing hard for this coach.
2. They are very consistent in where they finish and not making the NCAA playoffs under this coach.
3. No its lack of money, bad refs, CCHA, small school status, injuries, goal posts hit, no other coaching options, A.D., rink not up to par, small dressing rooms, schedule, and lighting.
4. No, give this coach another 2 years and things will change, disregard the previous 8 and the last two games of the playoffs this season.

Rational and Civil

 

[Anchors Aweigh]

Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

I like your passion and dedication to the players. And even though my post made you angry, allow me to clarify and I think you'll see we are on the same side of this one.

Even though I believe, as a team, the Laker effort level isn't what it needs to be, I have never believed that there are people in the program that don't care, or who don't want to win. I'm sure that on sunday night that locker room was a dark place. They must have been crushed to be beaten that way, especially at home by a team without superior talent. Additionally, it has to hurt to look up in the stands and see fewer than 1000 fans for a do or die playoff game.

These players deserve better. They have put in unimaginable time, effort and resources to get to a division 1 level. I think this staff does an excellent job finding players for this program. I firmly believe the talent level of this team, even without the players who left early last year, is better than half of the CCHA teams. But the culture of the program is not one that gets maximum results. Effort level in a team is learned. It is not about wanting to win. Everyone wants to win. It's about being taught how to win. Only when an accurate reckoning is taken, can this program move forward.

Almost agree !
We are back to root causes. It doesn't seem to be a popular subject, but can an accurate reckoning be taken without looking at why the situation isn't as you suggest, and how the person in charge copes with key tasks ?
Putting a program on track can be a long process, and fans have to be patient, but showing the right attitude, setting the right direction and teaching the right values is really a matter of weeks. It may take some months to turn it into a culture, but after eight years, one may doubt that the course ever started, and wonder weather the teacher is qualified to teach it, let alone counterproductive and worrying behavior.

Lakers2Glory, if they can't make a change until at least 2 more years from now, we are talking about a 3 years contract. What was so promising last year that would justify such a deal ?
Didn't he try to get another job right after signing the previous one ?

Again, it is your right to love both the coach and the players (although apparently not all), and I agree with 50%, but you must be blind if you don't see that they don't get on well.

 

[davyd83]

Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

According to Randy Russon, Marble has decided to attend Colorado College. Northern Michigan was a close second.....http://www.juniorhockey.com/news/news_detail.php?news_id=78693

About the only thing Roque did right in this sad situation is give Marble a release without dragging the process out....of course what choice did ole Jimbo have anyway.

Had Marble signed a national Letter of Intent, or was his commitment merely verbal? If he had only made a verbal, no release is needed.

 

[PerkyforPrez]

Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

He signed in the fall. He was a verbal for quite a few years. Roque did the right thing in releasing him sinse he did not want to come here.

Davyd that why he was released.

 

[Bill]

Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

Im sure some of them love the coach and some would say they would prefer another. No one has ever told me they couldn't stand him as a coach. Then again, I don't ask too often. I am friends with a few of the recent LSSU guys who went pro and they all have nothing but great things to say about the Coach. Maybe you know more than I do? I have no doubt that may be the case.

You would have to ask the admin at LSSU about his contract. I would say a one year would have sufficed, but they must have saw (or didn't see) something we didnt. He was sought by another school, but he never actively looked for another job as far as I know.

Which school sought him? He applied for the Clarkson job but didn't get it.

 

[davyd83]

Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

He signed in the fall. He was a verbal for quite a few years. Roque did the right thing in releasing him sinse he did not want to come here.

Davyd that why he was released.

Thanks for the info Perky.

 

[Bill]

Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

It was actually Clarkson. They offered him the job first, but he turned it down.

FRICKER,where are you? You're a Clarkson guy. What's the real skinny on this? I have difficulty believing Roque was offered (and turned down) the Clarkson job.

 

[PerkyforPrez]

Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

Thanks for the info Perky.

Any time my friend

 

[PerkyforPrez]

Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

It was actually Clarkson. They offered him the job first, but he turned it down.

If I remember correctly Roque did apply for the Clarkson job. Why would he turn it down then ?

 

[Section P]

Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

The talk on campus is that Lain left this morning and Monardo and McParland could be gone as early as this weekend.

 

[jnacc]

Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

If I remember correctly Roque did apply for the Clarkson job. Why would he turn it down then ?

News to me that he turned it down....he certainly applied for it but I don't think he made to to the interview stage

An article I found about it states that Clarkson first offered the job to Nate Leaman who turned it down and then to Craig Conroy who also must have turned it down. The article only mentions Roque as a potential candidate and nothing more. Some how I doubt that the position was ever offered to him to turn down.

http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20110518/DCO02/305189894/

 

[Mrs Robinson]

Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

Where is the roster picture ?
As for any hockey team, there is usually a picture of the team on the Lakers Hockey page. For some reason, not this year
Does anybody know where I can find it and download one.
Previous years can't be found anymore either ... any idea ?

 

[Section P]

Where is the roster picture ?
As for any hockey team, there is usually a picture of the team on the Lakers Hockey page. For some reason, not this year
Does anybody know where I can find it and download one.
Previous years can't be found anymore either ... any idea ?

There is one in the media guide.
http://www.lssulakers.com/sports/m-hockey/2012-13/releases/hockey_media_cover_2012-13-1-.pdf

 

[AnchorsAway]

Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

http://thecanuckway.com/2013/03/15/canucks-interested-in-college-free-agent-kellan-lain/

This article posted around 5 pm today states the Canucks, Red Wings, Coyotes, and Ducks are among the teams after Kellan Lain and TSN's Bob McKenzie says he should be one of the first college free agents to sign and expects it to come in the next 48 hours. Someone said that Lain was rumored to have left campus this morning but it appears he hasn't quite signed as of late this afternoon. It always sucks to lose talent early but we can add Lain to the list of recent Lakers who have ended up being highly sought after, hopefully our continued production of pro prospects will catch the attention of potential recruits out there and help them come to the realization that you don't have to play for a major college hockey power just to get pro scouts looking at you. Best of luck to Kellain Lain in the future!