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LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

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I am always cautious whe calling out players, or their efforts. These are not professionals, they are college students. But my general perception is that the coaching staff was unable to instill the pride and dedication into the roster of players; and that the players themselves were unable to provide that dedication and pride on their own. I wish I could write off the second-half of this season as a fluke, or a one-off.

But this season has followed the exact same script as the last three seasons (at least): A promising start, improved play, improved talent, a few big wins . . . and then a train wreck in the second half of the season. In the second half the past few years, it SEEMS that the team is unable to win on the road; unable to collect the necessary home points as an offset to the road woes; the Power Play dies; the PK slips; the goaltending suddenly falters; and they end up hosting a first-round playoff game. (In past years, they won the home playoffs only to crash on the road. This year, they have spared us the end of season road beating).

In my opinion -- OPINION -- this trend must rest upon the coach's shoulders. As the season moves into the second half -- and this is especially true in college hockey -- coaching staffs are expected by and large to develop the team. A typical college hockey season builds from the work and effort expended by the players in the summer and fall -- and builds into the coaching, expertise, and game-plan of the coaching staff. So that by the second half, the players physical preparation is matched by the coach's practice and gameplan work.

What I see is a team that arrives on Campus in the Fall ready to go. And they play hard. They are in shape. They are dedicated. Somewhere along the season's path, the players seems to get beat down, worn out, tired, disinterested, frustrated -- and evetually begin to fall apart. They get blitzed in Columbus (for instance). Focus slips. They lose to UAH. They start blowing leads (UAF, BSU, MSU) in winnable games. They play tough and tight oad games but NEVER, EVER, seem to get over the hump -- and close games in Oxford and South Bend all still end up on the loss column.

Can a new coach change that?

I don't know.

Here is what I think -- I think -- I know: The current coach certainly isn't doing a good enough job.

I think this man has worked marvels and has, in no small part, saved the program. The LSSU program is on firm financial footing. He has brought in some good talented players. This team -- despite all the hand wringing and worry of the fans -- finished above MSU and UM this year, and has consistently been out of the bottom three spots. The trainwreck that was Borek-to-Anzalone-to-Roque has been cleaned up. But can Coach Roque go further? Or is this the extent of his coaching abilities?

Now, new coaches don't all work out.

Northeastern brought in Jim Madigan and they have gone decided backwards.
Same with UMASS.
UAF has gone through a coaching rotation and I would say they are still waiting for the break-through in Fairbanks.
I would submit that the jury is still out on Bergeron at BGSU, at least as for the numbers . . . although he appears to at least have a connection with the fans.

I am not a supporter of change for change's sake. But I als believe that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result each time.


I will support whoever stands behind the bench for LSSU. And if Coach Roque stays, I hope we win the WCHA next year. This is not a personal gripe.

But the butts are not in the seats. The wins are not piling up. There appears to be a disconnect between the coach and the fans, players, and students.

I think a fresh set of thoughts is needed.

Great post, I think what we have here is a couple of conversations being thrown into the same ring. One regards the extremely disappointing finish to the season for the Lakers and who should "get" the blame for it. On that my take is that it falls on both the players and the coaches; for the players portion I think what needs to be acknowledged is that at the end of the day they are the ones who are playing the games and are very responsible for how the season plays out i.e. it's not all the x's and the o's, it's also the jimmys and the joes. Being a ranked team at Christmas and falling apart in the second half shows not playing to potential, you cant have a 1-0 lead in a best of 3 series on home ice and go out and get outscored by 10 goals in the last two games against what is essentially an equal opponent, simply put it can't happen. Lakers2Glory seemed to take offense to the harsh words said about the players effort in that final series and to that I say that yes, these are college kids but college is supposed to prepare young people for the real world and the fact of the matter is that in the real world you are held accountable for your actions personally, professionally, financially, etc. if you don't perform to the expectations, there will be consequences, this if nothing else, should serve as a reminder of that. For the coaches part in the second half swoon there is a clear pattern under this coaching staff of teams falling asleep at the wheel when the calendar turns over and they are responsible for identifying lapses in player conditioning, focus, etc. and rectifying the problem, this isn't happening. They are also responsible for scouting and preparing game plans and making adjustments based on what they are seeing. Losing 6-3 only to come out the next night and lose 7-0 shows a severe lack of this also.

The second conversation seems to be the ongoing speculation about Coach Roque, and his abilities to do this job, much of which ties into the reasons I just discussed. The facts are that Coach Roque has, as others have said, certainly stabilized the program from where it was when he took over and made it out of the lowest tier of division 1 hockey. He has improved the level of players wearing a Laker sweater, under him many have made the jump to professional hockey. Under him the program received a fantastic donation that should improve the facilities for year to come. The man has spent decades in this program and knows the LSSU environment as well as anyone could. However the facts are also that under Coach Roque the team has shown a pattern of jumping out to a pretty good start to the season then falling apart in the second half and disappointing in the playoffs. During these times the team has also often shown the tendency to play close hard fought games with top tier teams only to lose close games, and then turn around a play at a much lower level against weaker teams that produces middling results. Has JR tried changing his approach over the years during these times? If not, he should be by now, and if he has then maybe he simply doesn't have it in him to get this team to the next level. There are coaches out there in every sport that make a living in taking teams that are bad and improving them greatly, but never making it to the top (Marty Schottenheimer in football comes to mind). There is nothing wrong with that, that doesn't make them bad coaches or people; Jim Roque has done an awful lot for the LSSU hockey program, no one should deny that, just as no one should deny that JR has shown a glaring inability to produce a team that plays at a high level for an entire season, even with improving levels of talent. It does not appear at all that his job is in jeopardy at this time, but if next season's arc is similar to the past several even with the change in leagues then I don't see how even the most staunch JR defenders will have a leg left to stand on.
 
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Coach Roque. If the beating the team took in the play-offs doesn't get you to re-think your training and coaching methods , nothing will .
 
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Coach Roque. If the beating the team took in the play-offs doesn't get you to re-think your training and coaching methods , nothing will .
That man will not change his methods and the way he treats people. It is amazing that he still has the defenders he does on here, but those good-ole boy types up there are what keeps him around, and will. You people are only fooling yourselves if you thing that he will change, or a change will be made.

You are stuck with Jim Roque and the continued downward spiral for many years to come.

The Truth Is Out There.....
TBA
 
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Lakerblue and Anchors you both have summed it up as well as anyone could.

I have respect for the coach bringing the hockey program back from what was the gutter. I also have great doubts that he can get this team to the next level.
 
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The best part of this discussion is that I long-ago blocked Truthy McBlabbermouth and his various alter egos. I therefore only see tha he posted something, but I am spared his wit and wisdom.

That pleases me. To know that after months of quiet, he has risen to surface to seek the demise of Jim Roque's coaching career.

With that in mind, I want to ensure one and all that my interest in discussing a new coach for my beloved Lakers is only because I want to the program to do well. And as I have oft said -- if Coach Roque is behind the bench next year, I will still buy my tickets and support this team. And I will hope they win a ton, and Jim Roque is up for National Coach of the Year.

I want the Lakers to be the best.

If that is with Coach Roque, great.
If its with another coach, great.

I am not convinced that Coach Roque CAN make the Lakers the best, and that conviction (or lack thereof) combined with too many empty seats, and too much general malaise within the program, lead me to believe that the time to change has arrived.

On a different note -- congrads to my Soo High boys, who gave Cranbrook all it could handle in the Championship game. I cannot fathom a game featuring more polar opposites than Soo High and Cranbrook, in every way. It was a very good year for hockey in the Soo . . . except for our Lakers. Time to join the fun.
 
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No doubt all this anti-Roque talk has brought back Truth Squad and got him riled up. Believe it or not, it doesn't bother me.

I think if Bill Crawford was still the AD, Roque would be fired. If Roque is fired, could Tim Christian be given a shot?
 
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The best part of this discussion is that I long-ago blocked Truthy McBlabbermouth and his various alter egos. I therefore only see tha he posted something, but I am spared his wit and wisdom.

That pleases me. To know that after months of quiet, he has risen to surface to seek the demise of Jim Roque's coaching career.

With that in mind, I want to ensure one and all that my interest in discussing a new coach for my beloved Lakers is only because I want to the program to do well. And as I have oft said -- if Coach Roque is behind the bench next year, I will still buy my tickets and support this team. And I will hope they win a ton, and Jim Roque is up for National Coach of the Year.

I want the Lakers to be the best.

If that is with Coach Roque, great.
If its with another coach, great.

I am not convinced that Coach Roque CAN make the Lakers the best, and that conviction (or lack thereof) combined with too many empty seats, and too much general malaise within the program, lead me to believe that the time to change has arrived.

On a different note -- congrads to my Soo High boys, who gave Cranbrook all it could handle in the Championship game. I cannot fathom a game featuring more polar opposites than Soo High and Cranbrook, in every way. It was a very good year for hockey in the Soo . . . except for our Lakers. Time to join the fun.

I couldn't agree more, I just want what is best for the Lakers, it's nothing personal against JR.

Soo High has nothing to hang their heads about, Cranbrook plays in the Michigan Interscholastic Hockey League and that league is so much better than any in the state it is not even funny, the teams in that league beat up on each other all year long and it strengthens them so much so that come the state tournament when they compete against the rest of the teams in the state it is almost a break in the schedule. I live near Port Huron and a couple times in the past few years (including this year) Port Huron Northern (who is also in the MIHL) has taken a losing record into the state tournament and has made a serious run (this year they lost in OT in the semi's) with what was viewed for them as basically an average team. With that much of a difference in competition the fact that the Soo kept it a 2 goal game against a team that finished 28-2 playing in the toughest league in the state (that is a private school no less, but I won't get into that) is pretty darn impressive!
 
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No doubt all this anti-Roque talk has brought back Truth Squad and got him riled up. Believe it or not, it doesn't bother me.

I think if Bill Crawford was still the AD, Roque would be fired. If Roque is fired, could Tim Christian be given a shot?


Sure as long as they do a National search. Questions have came up that if Roque is let go then who could they get to come in as head coach. The answer to that is there is no answer because no one knows for sure who would be interested.
 
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No doubt all this anti-Roque talk has brought back Truth Squad and got him riled up. Believe it or not, it doesn't bother me.

I think if Bill Crawford was still the AD, Roque would be fired. If Roque is fired, could Tim Christian be given a shot?
I expect he would be one of the applicants. Whether he would have a legitimate shot I don't know. He's been a long time assistant but has no head coaching experience. Much might depend upon who the other applicants were. But since Roque is still head coach, I don't know how much point there is in speculating about possible replacements.
 
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I couldn't agree more, I just want what is best for the Lakers, it's nothing personal against JR.

Soo High has nothing to hang their heads about, Cranbrook plays in the Michigan Interscholastic Hockey Leagu....

I believe my high school's hockey team has gone down in spectacular fashion to Cranbrook in a pre-regional tournament game about 7 years running.

Quick check...yup, 10-0 this year!
 
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Kellan Lain will be signing this weekend with either Nashville or some other team that eludes me at the moment. There is a moderate chance that Buddy Robinson may go pro as well, which would be a big loss for the Lakers next year.

I would hope Robinson comes back for another year. After watching Jean last yr and Robinson this yr i don't think there is any doubt he needs another yr in college. On a side note it looks like Tyler Marble will probably be going to Colorado College next yr to play. Apparently they were in the Soo last weekend to see him play and offered him a spot. Too bad i think he's going to be a good goalie going forward.
 
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I am pulling for Ferris and Bowling Green in the play-offs now . Those two teams will be with us in the WCHA and hope they beat the teams that destroyed the CCHA by jumping . Also for Bowling Green for showing Coach Roque he needs to really change his coaching style or continue bottom dwelling into the new league.

Why would Marble come to the Sault to play with a team that has 3 goalies for another year ? Was Roque thinking 4 goalies would be better than three.
 
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Lakers2Glory, I understand you are doing your job which isn’t an easy task right now, but you just can’t say that you know the players and cheer for the coach at the same time.

You are asking for "rational thinking" when this forum has never been more rational; at last we are looking at facts and the big picture.
Being rational would also mean applying the coach’s own words to himself; but we would have been writing about someone else for many years now.

After 8 years as head coach+Clarkson+LSSU adding up to about 25 years, do you really consider an additional 2 years trial period as a rational suggestion ?
Since you have an easy access to the coach’s office and watch the practices enough to back his positions when they are questioned, why don’t you share some rational comments about the players physical and mental preparation.

But why isn’t anybody looking at the root causes ?

If the coach is doing such a great job for so little money, he really is a bargain. Why haven’t the 85000$ been outbid then ?

Maybe be (just suggesting) because, over the last 30 years, coaches, players, referees and athletic directors have made up their minds and shared their views. May be the pre-season polls just tell us that no matter who is on the ice, the Lakers can’t be expected to overcome that handicap and meet their own goals (what was it for this season ?).
Yes they finished 8th, which is not what was expected, and one game could have made it 10th (let alone national rankings).
Could it be that tricking behind the boss’ back, involving the police with a referee, intimidating players, and manipulating the medias … makes it tough to expect loyalty and commitment from individuals on a team.
What about inconsistency year in year out ? Can it be suggested that the common denominator is inconsistent ?

But you are right. The guys on the team are great, and Monardo,as many others, tried hard throughout the season … and the previous, and the previous .... Each summer, they go home and do their best to remedy the lacks you must have noticed when watching practices and talking to the players you know.

Is it a possibility that even the best summer preparation and high spirit can fall apart as the season progress because it is undermined by the person in charge ?

Just asking ! Feel free to provides facts in a rational and civil manner.

Anyway, in an environment where everybody is struggling for survival, it looks like the administration is considering mediocrity as better than death, choosing to deal with issues they consider more important.
An additional win or two next season, and they might be relieved to give at go for a few years more.
 
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Why would Marble come to the Sault to play with a team that has 3 goalies for another year ? Was Roque thinking 4 goalies would be better than three.

Marble has had what could be considered a break out year with the Eagles and that garners more attention from name recognized schools. So he sat down with his adviser from Chicago and asked what would be his best course of action. His agent (whoops sorry adviser) told him in no uncertain terms that Lake State would be his worst option and to jump ship. Marble, from what I've heard from very credible sources, has already been offered a full ride scholarship from a program out east and has since been contacted by Northern Michigan (with a scholarship offer), Colorado, Denver, Minnesota Duluth, and Michigan.

I've seen Marble play several times this year....he is that good and I think this is a bigger loss for the Laker program than some people realize, but hey what the hell, us Laker fans are use to losing.
 
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Marble has had what could be considered a break out year with the Eagles and that garners more attention from name recognized schools. So he sat down with his adviser from Chicago and asked what would be his best course of action. His agent (whoops sorry adviser) told him in no uncertain terms that Lake State would be his worst option and to jump ship. Marble, from what I've heard from very credible sources, has already been offered a full ride scholarship from a program out east and has since been contacted by Northern Michigan (with a scholarship offer), Colorado, Denver, Minnesota Duluth, and Michigan.

I've seen Marble play several times this year....he is that good and I think this is a bigger loss for the Laker program than some people realize, but hey what the hell, us Laker fans are use to losing.

Marble's year was evidently more highly valued than I thought, I speculated with a friend the other day that I wouldn't be surprised to see Marble end up at NMU since it sounds like Coreau is leaving and their backup got next to no playing time this year. i truly didnt see a big school like Coll College going after his services, at least he is going to a school that we may not play at all in hte next 4 years so we won't have to necessarily be tormented by his departure.
 
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Marble has had what could be considered a break out year with the Eagles and that garners more attention from name recognized schools. So he sat down with his adviser from Chicago and asked what would be his best course of action. His agent (whoops sorry adviser) told him in no uncertain terms that Lake State would be his worst option and to jump ship. Marble, from what I've heard from very credible sources, has already been offered a full ride scholarship from a program out east and has since been contacted by Northern Michigan (with a scholarship offer), Colorado, Denver, Minnesota Duluth, and Michigan.

I've seen Marble play several times this year....he is that good and I think this is a bigger loss for the Laker program than some people realize, but hey what the hell, us Laker fans are use to losing.
And I think it was probably an easy decision to make given the Lakers abundance of goalies already on board. Plus, my guess is that Roque may not have been in a position to offer him much scholarship money for next season. To do so, he'd probably have had to take some away from Kapalka and/or Murdoch; either that or take it away from some of the position players. And assuming they asked him to redshirt as has been speculated, he no doubt wasn't interested in doing that. I tend to think that when they recruited Murdock, they perhaps though Marble was never going to pan out; he hadn't really done much in Juniors up to that time.
 
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Not surprised at all about Lain leaving, but a little surprised that Robinson might leave early.

Let's hope the Marble situation doesn't comes back and bite the Lakers in the arse.
 
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Where did you see these buses? I went to Friday's game and there were not three BGSU fans in attendance, let alone busses of fans.
Sorry about not seeing this post. I saw three Lake Front Lines busses parked in the South lot of the Norris lot just inside the snow bank from Meridian Street on Saturday evening. I did not attend Friday's game so could not tell you if they were there then. I guess I am not sure they were fan busses but they had Ohio plates. I could be mistaken.
 
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