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LIU adds Men's D-1 Hockey

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Split-N said:
Now that the initial surprise has worn off, a few factors that don't seem to pass the "make sense" test:

--The fact that absolutely nobody, especially those with deep ties to the college hockey world, seem to have had an inkling that this was coming. There are military secrets that have been less secret.
--The seeming impossibility of starting up so soon with no coaches, staff, players, or even a schedule in place.
--The fact that apparently nobody in the D1 coaching universe seems to know anything about this (per Mike McMahon).
--The online "questionnaire" that prospective student athletes are invited to send. That's not the way players in any sport are recruited, especially at the D1 level.
--No mention of where the funding is coming from at a time when both public and private universities are taking deep financial hits due to the ongoing public health emergency.

I absolutely hope this happens but at second glance, taking the LIU announcement at face value just doesn't seem to compute.
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LIU also went about it quietly when they added women's hockey. Back in December 2017 Grant Salzano wrote an article about LIU Post listing for a women's head coaching position. Then in June 2018 Adam Woden tweeted "I got confirmation that LIU-Brooklyn is adding a D-I Women's hockey program for 2019-20 and is looking for a head coach - but has not publicized this fact, and doesn't plan to. Which is really weird IMO." The school appears to keep a low athletic profile and get things done instead of making grand pronouncements and getting nothing done (Illinois).

Sean
 
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Is there any chance that this team is going to be playing in the Northeast-10 with LIU's women's conference mates?
 
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AMC said:
Is there any chance that this team is going to be playing in the Northeast-10 with LIU's women's conference mates?
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They announced a DI team. Only Sacred Heart has a DI men's program. If there were to elevate all those other programs, it would be a surprise to me. There has been no word of that - and with the current economic restrictions in place on these schools it would seem highly unlikely.
 
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What about the possibility that QU becomes the 12th HEA school as has been rumored on several occasions and LIU replaces them in the ECAC? I know nothing about LIU's academics but geographically they would be a better fit for PU than QU has been. Just a thought, not based upon the slightest knowledge.
 
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QU doesn't seem to be interested in HE. Sacred Heart to Hockey East and LIU to Atlantic is probably best scenario.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
What about the possibility that QU becomes the 12th HEA school as has been rumored on several occasions and LIU replaces them in the ECAC? I know nothing about LIU's academics but geographically they would be a better fit for PU than QU has been. Just a thought, not based upon the slightest knowledge.
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I was just looking at LIU's academics. LIU Brooklyn in 2018 had an 84% admissions rate. Not really an ECAC profile school.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
What money do they need? Short of the NCAA forcing them to have scholarships (which they didn’t do to the early days of the AHA/MAAC), what new expenses would they have?
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Facilities primarily. There is no reason for them to play up and not try to upgrade their programs.

Also, travel costs would increase.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
What about the possibility that QU becomes the 12th HEA school as has been rumored on several occasions and LIU replaces them in the ECAC? I know nothing about LIU's academics but geographically they would be a better fit for PU than QU has been. Just a thought, not based upon the slightest knowledge.
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Sacred Heart and RIT are the most likely adds to the ECAC if any school were to leave
 
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Ralph Baer said:
What about the possibility that QU becomes the 12th HEA school as has been rumored on several occasions and LIU replaces them in the ECAC? I know nothing about LIU's academics but geographically they would be a better fit for PU than QU has been. Just a thought, not based upon the slightest knowledge.
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there's almost no difference geographically Princeton->Hamden CT - than Princeton->Syosset LI ... and 1 less bridge to go over
 
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Split-N said:
Now that the initial surprise has worn off, a few factors that don't seem to pass the "make sense" test:

--The fact that absolutely nobody, especially those with deep ties to the college hockey world, seem to have had an inkling that this was coming. There are military secrets that have been less secret.
--The seeming impossibility of starting up so soon with no coaches, staff, players, or even a schedule in place.
--The fact that apparently nobody in the D1 coaching universe seems to know anything about this (per Mike McMahon).
--The online "questionnaire" that prospective student athletes are invited to send. That's not the way players in any sport are recruited, especially at the D1 level.
--No mention of where the funding is coming from at a time when both public and private universities are taking deep financial hits due to the ongoing public health emergency.

I absolutely hope this happens but at second glance, taking the LIU announcement at face value just doesn't seem to compute.
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USCHO.com has never been wrong when announcing new D1 hockey schools. If the school sent out a press release explaining they are starting a D1 one team then I believe them.
 
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College Hockey News: LIU Dives In, With A Lot Of Work To Do

"For people this came out of the blue, they didn't have the luxury of seeing the plans behind the scenes," Martinov said.

"Obviously a month or so ago in the chaos was not the time (to make the announcement)," Martinov said. "Maybe just a bit before Covid would've been better. But we feel like at this moment, in terms of bringing the program to campus this fall and recruiting, we do need to do this now. And we're confident we can move forward and be successful with these plans.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
What about the possibility that QU becomes the 12th HEA school as has been rumored on several occasions and LIU replaces them in the ECAC? I know nothing about LIU's academics but geographically they would be a better fit for PU than QU has been. Just a thought, not based upon the slightest knowledge.
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Everything I've heard from QU is that they are very happy in the ECAC. When we first moved to CT more than 25 years ago the thought that QC, as it was known at the time, would be in a league with their Whitney Avenue neighbor was laughable. Since then, they've added a law school, med school, two additional campuses and greatly increased their academic reputation/admissions pool. Now they've got a rivalry with Yale that's even better than anything they could have in HE (including UConn) and they've got a legitimate chance in the ECAC every year. It's everything they wanted.

I've noticed some here mentioning Sacred Heart to HE or the ECAC. To anyone that went to a Sacred Heart game before this season that would have been just as laughable as QU's dreams above. They too have grown significantly in terms of campus facilities but I don't think they fit the academic model of the ECAC and the athletic model of HE. They used to draw a few hundred to the rink in Milford (nearly 20 miles from campus) and moving to Webster Bank Arena (about 5 miles) hasn't really changed things. Only the improved performance of this year's team and the drawings for the rink on their new second campus at GE's old HQ (about 1/2 mile from main campus) make either league even a remote possibility. I'm sure it take completing the rink and several seasons of on ice performance combined with strong attendance before admission would even be considered.
 
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As far as an athletic profile, Sacred Heart isn't near Merrimack? Would that be the best comp?
 
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Ralph Baer said:
What about the possibility that QU becomes the 12th HEA school...?
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Only my opinion but I can't see where it would be in QPac's interest to walk away from a consistently dominating position in its current league in exchange for becoming a face in the crowd in a different league.
 
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rpi82 said:
...Only the improved performance of this year's team and the drawings for the rink on their new second campus at GE's old HQ (about 1/2 mile from main campus) make either league even a remote possibility. I'm sure it take completing the rink and several seasons of on ice performance combined with strong attendance before admission would even be considered.
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NEVER underestimate Bobby Valentine !!! :D
 
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Split-N said:
Only my opinion but I can't see where it would be in QPac's interest to walk away from a consistently dominating position in its current league in exchange for becoming a face in the crowd in a different league.
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Pretty sure we want to remain the big fish in a small pond for the foreseeable future.
 
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MarkEagleUSA said:
Pretty sure we want to remain the big fish in a small pond for the foreseeable future.
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Wow! I was pretty complimentary to QU because I've witnessed their extraordinary growth, but I think referring to themselves as "the big fish in a small pond" is a vast overstatement for a program that has won exactly one ECAC tournament title. Oddly enough, they've played in as many NCAA championship games (2, both losses) as they have ECAC championship games (one win, one loss). In the ECAC they've consistently been one of the bigger fish over the past 15 years, as evidenced by 3 1/2 Cleary Cups for regular season champs, but "the big fish" implies that they are dominant (or "consistently dominant" as another poster claimed) and there isn't really a case for that.
 
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