Lindenwood AD is doing the work already. Are they next?

[TalonsUpPuckDown]

I think it's "the name of the rink in which the University of North Dakota plays." Something about a preposition or conjunction or something is the wrong thing to end a sentence with.

Ugh. Correct. I should know better. Will note that for Juneteenth 2021.

 

[gfmorris]

University presidents don't give rubber stamps to Division I men's sports that require 18 scholarship equivalents and hundreds of thousands of dollars in travel unless you have a moneybags donor.

GFM

 

[moose97]

University presidents don't give rubber stamps to Division I men's sports that require 18 scholarship equivalents and hundreds of thousands of dollars in travel unless you have a moneybags donor.

GFM

LIU might beg to differ

 

[HofstraHockey]

LIU might beg to differ

With the amount of money Lindewood pours into their ACHA and their roller teams, it wouldn’t be a huge jump to go NCAA. The biggest difference for them and LIU though is the travel. There’s a whole bunch of day trips available to LIU (Army, Princeton, Sacred Heart, Yale, Quinnipiac, UConn, even AIC if you want to stretch it a bit) that a place like Lindenwood doesn’t have. What’s the closest to them? Miami or Notre Dame? The travel budget will take the biggest hit, for sure.

 

[Lost_Husky]

With the amount of money Lindewood pours into their ACHA and their roller teams, it wouldn’t be a huge jump to go NCAA. The biggest difference for them and LIU though is the travel. There’s a whole bunch of day trips available to LIU (Army, Princeton, Sacred Heart, Yale, Quinnipiac, UConn, even AIC if you want to stretch it a bit) that a place like Lindenwood doesn’t have. What’s the closest to them? Miami or Notre Dame? The travel budget will take the biggest hit, for sure.

They have a number of teams a reasonable (8 hour) bus ride away from them for non-conference games.

The thing that will kill their budget is if/when they join a conference.

 

[moose97]

With the amount of money Lindewood pours into their ACHA and their roller teams, it wouldn’t be a huge jump to go NCAA. The biggest difference for them and LIU though is the travel. There’s a whole bunch of day trips available to LIU (Army, Princeton, Sacred Heart, Yale, Quinnipiac, UConn, even AIC if you want to stretch it a bit) that a place like Lindenwood doesn’t have. What’s the closest to them? Miami or Notre Dame? The travel budget will take the biggest hit, for sure.

U of Illinois (you never know) - 3 hours
Miami - 5 and a half hours
Wisconsin - 5 and a half hours
Notre Dame - 5 and a half hours
Alabama-Huntsville (for now) - 6 and a half hours
Ohio State - 6 and a half hours
Western Michigan - 6 and a half hours
Omaha - 6 and a half hours
BGSU - 7 hours
Ferris State - 7 and a half hours
Michigan State - 7 and a half hours
Michigan - 7 hours 45 min
Minnesota State - 8 hours
Minnesota - 8 and a half hours
St Thomas (who has a head start) - 8 and a half hours
SCSU - 9 and a half hours
RMU - 9 and a half hours
Mercyhurst - 10 hours
UMD - 10 hours
Michigan Tech - 10 and a half hours
Northern Michigan - 10 and a half hours
LSSU - 11 hours

Hell, if you increase the distance to 13 hours, you can add Penn State, Denver, CC, Air Force, NoDak, Niagara, Canisius and RIT...

 

[HofstraHockey]

U of Illinois (you never know) - 3 hours
Miami - 5 and a half hours
Wisconsin - 5 and a half hours
Notre Dame - 5 and a half hours
Alabama-Huntsville (for now) - 6 and a half hours
Ohio State - 6 and a half hours
Western Michigan - 6 and a half hours
Omaha - 6 and a half hours
BGSU - 7 hours
Ferris State - 7 and a half hours
Michigan State - 7 and a half hours
Michigan - 7 hours 45 min
Minnesota State - 8 hours
Minnesota - 8 and a half hours
St Thomas (who has a head start) - 8 and a half hours
SCSU - 9 and a half hours
RMU - 9 and a half hours
Mercyhurst - 10 hours
UMD - 10 hours
Michigan Tech - 10 and a half hours
Northern Michigan - 10 and a half hours
LSSU - 11 hours

Hell, if you increase the distance to 13 hours, you can add Penn State, Denver, CC, Air Force, NoDak, Niagara, Canisius and RIT...

Like I said- not a lot of day trips in there. It's what seems to have hurt UAH for all these years. But not exactly a selling point when you're telling recruits that each game is a 6 hour+ bus ride each way.

 

[moose97]

Like I said- not a lot of day trips in there. It's what seems to have hurt UAH for all these years. But not exactly a selling point when you're telling recruits that each game is a 6 hour+ bus ride each way.

Clearly, you are from the east. You realize what the travel is like in the NCHC/WCHA/B1G, right? Hell, they're practically the geographic center of the NCHC

 

[Lost_Husky]

Like I said- not a lot of day trips in there. It's what seems to have hurt UAH for all these years. But not exactly a selling point when you're telling recruits that each game is a 6 hour+ bus ride each way.

Those are all weekend series do-able bus trips.

For off-season speculation, travel distances are reasonable and the have a rink, assuming funding, does anyone think the CCHA, Nacho, or B1G would be interested?

My thought, there is no way the B1G or Nacho would be interested. CCHA maybe, especially if they want to go to 10 teams or the long speculated/discussed MnSU to Nacho move happens.

Do the Alaska Schools try to cobble together a conference with ASU, UAH, and Lindenwood. Use it as a conference to get Lindenwood on their feet, (more) time for ASU to get there rink built/into a conference, and the UA_s to get their situation straightened out? Completely understanding this conference would not be sustainable, but to bide time for the schools.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Listen, that’s not a terrible rink. Higher capacity than 10-15 or so current rinks in D-I. Looks nice and new. From a quick look on google maps, it’s not near a campus or anything, but it’s also just off the interstate in the suburbs and near a hotel or two.

Not great, but enough that the idea of the school needing a $100M gift to rubber stamp it is kind of absurd. Schools with serviceable arenas at the ready have much lower overhead for this sort of thing.

I think it’s doable. I believe that there’s more of a market for this sort of thing in the corridor from Missouri through Tennessee and into Virginia/Maryland than one might think.

That said… yeah, I think moose’s first reaction of “hey let’s hear from more than just some ACHA coach” is the right answer. There have been plenty of “ACHA program thinks it can go varsity” stories over the years. If you’ve been on the forum long enough, it’s a broken record.

 

[4four4]

Like I said- not a lot of day trips in there. It's what seems to have hurt UAH for all these years. But not exactly a selling point when you're telling recruits that each game is a 6 hour+ bus ride each way.

Western schools leave early Thursday morning on bus and usually make it to their destination by dinner time. IMO, that's a day trip.

 

[Sol Diablo]

Western schools leave early Thursday morning on bus and usually make it to their destination by dinner time. IMO, that's a day trip.

Just a different slant on your answer, when I think of western teams they won't make it by bus in 24 hours straight driving to hardly any arenas. But can do the 6 - 12 hours by plane. Relative to that Lindenwood should be in ok shape.

 

[HofstraHockey]

Western schools leave early Thursday morning on bus and usually make it to their destination by dinner time. IMO, that's a day trip.

Sorry, a “day trip” for me is getting on the bus, going to the game, and then getting on the bus and going home. Which, for a school like LIU is easy with Princeton, Army, Sacred Heart, Yale, etc all around. Lindenwood has a hotel stay for virtually every trip. Just a bit of a difference when you’re budgeting.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Sorry, a “day trip” for me is getting on the bus, going to the game, and then getting on the bus and going home. Which, for a school like LIU is easy with Princeton, Army, Sacred Heart, Yale, etc all around. Lindenwood has a hotel stay for virtually every trip. Just a bit of a difference when you’re budgeting.

Serious question: How aware are you that schools out west don’t do single games often and regularly do a weekend series of two games?

 

[HofstraHockey]

Serious question: How aware are you that schools out west don’t do single games often and regularly do a weekend series of two games?

Yeah, they do it all the time. I think you’re missing the point here- it isn’t that they won’t have anyone to play, it’s that if the budget is their concern, it’s a lot more to put the team up in hotels for these trips than a round trip bus ride for a place like LIU. They’re going to need deeper pockets to make the move than a team in the northeast.

 

[moose97]

Yeah, they do it all the time. I think you’re missing the point here- it isn’t that they won’t have anyone to play, it’s that if the budget is their concern, it’s a lot more to put the team up in hotels for these trips than a round trip bus ride for a place like LIU. They’re going to need deeper pockets to make the move than a team in the northeast.

No shit Sherlock. I mean, just how new here are you?

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Yeah, they do it all the time. I think you’re missing the point here- it isn’t that they won’t have anyone to play, it’s that if the budget is their concern, it’s a lot more to put the team up in hotels for these trips than a round trip bus ride for a place like LIU. They’re going to need deeper pockets to make the move than a team in the northeast.

Again, teams in the west do weekend 2-game series. Almost exclusively. A bare minimum of one night of hotels each away weekend is the norm and presumably already factored into budgets.

 

[moose97]

Nope. St Thomas is next