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Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
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ScoobyDoo
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Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
Why? Sounds to me like its standard progression. The law changes slowly. Always has. The change to gay marriage now is no more arbitrary than the change to interracial marriage. In my mind there is nothing to "get".
Why? Sounds to me like its standard progression. The law changes slowly. Always has. The change to gay marriage now is no more arbitrary than the change to interracial marriage. In my mind there is nothing to "get".
Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
What fundamental, non-arbitrary, basis guides your belief that we should limit marriage to heterosexual couples? "Because we've always done it that way," is neither true nor fundamental. Got anything else?
You are being JUST AS ARBITRARY.
What fundamental, non-arbitrary, basis guides your belief that we should limit marriage to heterosexual couples? "Because we've always done it that way," is neither true nor fundamental. Got anything else?
Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
If the definition of "marriage" is variable, then what are its limits? Where do you (or anyone) draw the line?
Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
Bob says that there should be no such thing as arbitrary limits, then out of the other side of his mouth says that marriage should be arbitrarily limited to 1 man, 1 woman. THAT is the startling inconsistency in this thread.
Well, that's a policy question, and I have no problem with arbitrary limits agreed upon through the democratic process.
Bob says that there should be no such thing as arbitrary limits, then out of the other side of his mouth says that marriage should be arbitrarily limited to 1 man, 1 woman. THAT is the startling inconsistency in this thread.
Foxton
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Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
And judging by how fast they flip to polygamy or bestiality, they probably need those laws in place or else they'd be claiming that goat down the road was giving them the come hither look and all the other animals at the petting zoo were just asking for it.
I'd call it consistent. Bob and people like him are consistently hypocritical *******s who are terrified of anything that isn't leave it to beaver.
And judging by how fast they flip to polygamy or bestiality, they probably need those laws in place or else they'd be claiming that goat down the road was giving them the come hither look and all the other animals at the petting zoo were just asking for it.
FlagDUDE08
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Foxton
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WisconsinWildcard
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Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
If you are to limit marriage to 1 man and 1 woman, do you not think you need a consistent definition of what a man and a woman are? I am honestly not trying to go down a rabbit hole, I just really would like to hear a consistent framework for definition of gender. You seem to ignore 1-2 out of 1000 Americans, or even 1-100 Americans quite easily.
If you are to limit marriage to 1 man and 1 woman, do you not think you need a consistent definition of what a man and a woman are? I am honestly not trying to go down a rabbit hole, I just really would like to hear a consistent framework for definition of gender. You seem to ignore 1-2 out of 1000 Americans, or even 1-100 Americans quite easily.
Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
Don't expect a straight answer. The limits are whatever they want them to be at the moment and will surely change over and over again.
Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
Most definitely. And change is absolutely, always bad. Everything was 100% perfect on September 17, 1787, and it's been nothing but downhill ever since.
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Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
The same place it always has: societal norms. What some people want to do is implement societal norms from 1950 and make them firm forever in the US Constitution. It is very rare that we codify anything in the Constitution. If we were to freeze societal norms at 1787, we would see that interracial marriages are forbidden. For that matter, most of our African American population would be property. Only white men who own land could vote, etc. However, the Constitution, and laws as a whole, change over time. Laws about cleaning up after your horse does its business on Main Street are fairly obsolete now. We freed the slaves, opened up the right to vote to every American citizen, etc. What we see as societal norms today will almost certainly be different in 50 years, let alone 100 or 200. That is incredibly frightening to some people, but trying to stem the tide of social progress is a losing battle.
And we will see straw men arguments in 3....2...
The same place it always has: societal norms. What some people want to do is implement societal norms from 1950 and make them firm forever in the US Constitution. It is very rare that we codify anything in the Constitution. If we were to freeze societal norms at 1787, we would see that interracial marriages are forbidden. For that matter, most of our African American population would be property. Only white men who own land could vote, etc. However, the Constitution, and laws as a whole, change over time. Laws about cleaning up after your horse does its business on Main Street are fairly obsolete now. We freed the slaves, opened up the right to vote to every American citizen, etc. What we see as societal norms today will almost certainly be different in 50 years, let alone 100 or 200. That is incredibly frightening to some people, but trying to stem the tide of social progress is a losing battle.
And we will see straw men arguments in 3....2...
unofan
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Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
Funny how Bob is against polygamy, when that was readily acceptable in the Bible. Solomon had something like 700 wives and 300 concubines.
But apparently that was either too traditional or not traditional enough. I'm not sure.
Funny how Bob is against polygamy, when that was readily acceptable in the Bible. Solomon had something like 700 wives and 300 concubines.
But apparently that was either too traditional or not traditional enough. I'm not sure.
Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
You might want to use a different example (and there are others). Solomon was famous for rejecting God to glory in his own wisdom (and collect wives, etc).
You might want to use a different example (and there are others). Solomon was famous for rejecting God to glory in his own wisdom (and collect wives, etc).
Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
Um excuse me, but did you ever stop and consider that God has Bob on speed dial, and has been conferring with him on a regular basis as to HIS wishes on this issue?
Because, if that is true, when you get to the Pearly Gates, you're gonna feel real stupid if Bob is the one holding the keys to them.
Um excuse me, but did you ever stop and consider that God has Bob on speed dial, and has been conferring with him on a regular basis as to HIS wishes on this issue?
Because, if that is true, when you get to the Pearly Gates, you're gonna feel real stupid if Bob is the one holding the keys to them.
FlagDUDE08
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Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
Yeah, it's the number right after Pat Robertson's.
Um excuse me, but did you ever stop and consider that God has Bob on speed dial, and has been conferring with him on a regular basis as to HIS wishes on this issue?
Because, if that is true, when you get to the Pearly Gates, you're gonna feel real stupid if Bob is the one holding the keys to them.
Yeah, it's the number right after Pat Robertson's.
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Priceless
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Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
No, I never considered an imaginary man in the clouds has Bob on speed dial. The FSM would have me on speed dial but since He is made out of pasta, He can't dial a phone.
Um excuse me, but did you ever stop and consider that God has Bob on speed dial, and has been conferring with him on a regular basis as to HIS wishes on this issue?
Because, if that is true, when you get to the Pearly Gates, you're gonna feel real stupid if Bob is the one holding the keys to them.
No, I never considered an imaginary man in the clouds has Bob on speed dial. The FSM would have me on speed dial but since He is made out of pasta, He can't dial a phone.
unofan
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David then?
Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
Well, if we're only allowed to use guys in the Bible who never sinned as role models, there's only one choice, and in that case nobody should ever get married or procreate.
unofan
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No, I never considered an imaginary man in the clouds has Bob on speed dial. The FSM would have me on speed dial but since He is made out of pasta, He can't dial a phone.
What does God need with a telephone?
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