Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

[Priceless]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

How are kids born from a marriage that is not between a man and a woman?

Surrogate mothers.
Adoption.
Artificial insemination.

 

[WisconsinWildcard]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

How are kids born from a marriage that is not between a man and a woman?

If you have to ask big fella, you can't afford it...

 

[Handyman]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

I believe that today's culture is more self centered than previous generations. That narcissism(?) has led to a whole lot of problems that you cite. We all think that behavior is wrong, but is it "do as I say, not as I do"???

Marriage is a sacrament (at least to me) that is "until death do us part." I believe it should be only between a man and a woman. I believe that kids born from a marriage are much better off than those who are not. Call me a racist homophobic knuckedragger if you want.

In closing, let me leave you with the words of the psalmist
"I will go into the altar of God
To God who gives joy to my youth"

Joy comes from God and last a very long time.
Pleasure comes from the senses and is temporary.

IMO, we've become pleasure seekers.

So then you didnt have sex before marriage? If you are married your wife didnt either? If the answer isnt "no" to both of these questions your judgement is ridiculous and you are a flat out hypocrite.

Not to mention, random banging is nothing new...promiscuity dates back to biblical times. Virgin marriage as the standard is a hoax and is only important on the female side anyways because heaven forbid women have any sexual freedom. Men have been promiscuous for thousands of years.

Sorry Sancho but even my great grandfather is laughing at your outdated view.

 

[walrus]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Bull ****. No one more selfish or self centered than a boomer.

Vote of confidence their especially knowing your feelings about boomers

 

[joecct]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

So then you didnt have sex before marriage? If you are married your wife didnt either? If the answer isnt "no" to both of these questions your judgement is ridiculous and you are a flat out hypocrite.

Not to mention, random banging is nothing new...promiscuity dates back to biblical times. Virgin marriage as the standard is a hoax and is only important on the female side anyways because heaven forbid women have any sexual freedom. Men have been promiscuous for thousands of years.

Sorry Sancho but even my great grandfather is laughing at your outdated view.

No and wife was previously married, but she was a no prior to her prior, too. Sorry. But even if I was a rabbit prior to marriage, there is such a thing as reflection and repentance and realizing that such behavior is wrong and counseling others not to proceed down that path. We don't call people in AA who tell people not to get drunk hypocrites, do we?

But, I am not disputing your assertion that promiscuity and adultery have existed a very very long time. But, as some other poster has posted, the acceptance of such behavior is much more widespread these days. And I repeat, is that a good thing?

Don Quixote, we have opposite views. We disagree. The tenor of good debate is to respect the opinions of your foe and do your best to refute his/her arguments and make your case. It's a foul to directly attack the opposite party. But, again, that seems to be the tenor of the times, doesn't it? When you disagree, attack.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Congrats to you, you are just completely clueless but you are not a hypocrit

 

[burd]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Not to mention, random banging is nothing new...promiscuity dates back to biblical times.

It was flat out of control back in the primordial soup. Those were some days. If you were a molecule you were getting some.

 

[Priceless]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

No and wife was previously married, but she was a no prior to her prior, too.

She was a widow right? Otherwise you married an adulteress.

"a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress.”

 

[leswp1]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

I don't see why you guys are attacking someone for their views rather than trying to debate. I don't agree nec with what he is saying but I do agree that one can decide the path they took was not a good idea and say so.

As to the boomers being selfish- I told my Sunday School kids what was being debated in here and asked them whether they thought their generation was more self centered. What a fascinating response. They said yes but no for the reasons I would have thought. They said that they felt they were definitely more self absorbed/self centered but felt that part of it was because they did not need to rely on society around them. If they experienced disapproval then they could just hop on their phone and appeal to social media where someone would tell them what they were doing is OK. Social media could make anything normal and acceptable if you looked in the right place Way more insight than what I think I would have had at that age. WHat the hell do you say to that??

 

[Priceless]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

But, I am not disputing your assertion that promiscuity and adultery have existed a very very long time. But, as some other poster has posted, the acceptance of such behavior is much more widespread these days. And I repeat, is that a good thing?

Yes and no. No, in that we shouldn't have to worry about things like baby-mamas. HBO shouldn't be asking Cromartie about his kids from umpteen different mothers that are so numerous he forgot how many there were or their names.

On the other hand, now that it is accepted people like Les can help people have sex responsibly (without pregnancy and disease) rather than hiding it in the closet and never acknowledging that it exists.

 

[WisconsinWildcard]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

On the other hand, now that it is accepted people like Les can help people have sex responsibly (without pregnancy and disease) rather than hiding it in the closet and never acknowledging that it exists.

Exactly. There are many, many problems inherent to human existence. However, solid education with real facts is usually the best way to approach most problems. Scare tactics or ignoring that a problem exists just kicks the can down the line.

States that have comprehensive, factual sexual education tend to have lower teen pregnancy rates. States that have "abstinence only" education tend to have higher teen pregnancy rates. Telling teens to not have sex does not work. People are going to have sex. We have way too much "animal" in our neurobiology to prevent that on any meaningful scale. The best approach is to educate them about the risks/benefits and they will be much more likely to be safe when they have sex.

You want to prevent (some) people from multiple unwanted children with multiple partners? Give them access to free/affordable birth control. For those who cringe at using tax dollars for contraception...think how many condoms/oral contraceptives you could buy for the cost of one child on welfare. Also think how much Medicaid pays right now for preventable STI treatment. Penicillin is not too pricey but a condom is a hell of a lot cheaper.

 

[leswp1]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Exactly. There are many, many problems inherent to human existence. However, solid education with real facts is usually the best way to approach most problems. Scare tactics or ignoring that a problem exists just kicks the can down the line.

States that have comprehensive, factual sexual education tend to have lower teen pregnancy rates. States that have "abstinence only" education tend to have higher teen pregnancy rates. Telling teens to not have sex does not work. People are going to have sex. We have way too much "animal" in our neurobiology to prevent that on any meaningful scale. The best approach is to educate them about the risks/benefits and they will be much more likely to be safe when they have sex.

You want to prevent (some) people from multiple unwanted children with multiple partners? Give them access to free/affordable birth control. For those who cringe at using tax dollars for contraception...think how many condoms/oral contraceptives you could buy for the cost of one child on welfare. Also think how much Medicaid pays right now for preventable STI treatment. Penicillin is not too pricey but a condom is a hell of a lot cheaper.

This. The kids I take care of that have had a good education in the school do better than the kids who don't. The ones who's parents opted out because they would teach it or the ones whose parents told them don't do it are much more likely to do something stupid. There is something to be said for herd learning. If everyone learns something the same way then there is much less room for stupidness passing as information because the kids don't know any better.

 

[unofan]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

I don't see why you guys are attacking someone for their views rather than trying to debate.

Because his initial premise - that all people who have sex before marriage are irresponsible sluts on par with Wilt Chamberlain - was itself an attack.

Only after he got called on that statement did he switch gears to trying to debate whether today's kids are worse than he was.

 

[joecct]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Because his initial premise - that all people who have sex before marriage are irresponsible sluts on par with Wilt Chamberlain - was itself an attack.

Only after he got called on that statement did he switch gears to trying to debate whether today's kids are worse than he was.

My initial post (#214) asked why virginity is no longer an admired trait. It was a question, not an attack.

Then I asked in 219 if it was a good thing.

Then in post 222 I asked the following:

is the rise of unwed motherhood a good thing? Is "hooking up" a good thing? is the man fathering 7 kids with 7 women a good thing?

is adultery wrong? is being promiscuous good or bad?

I then responded in 225

I've been trying to point out that this culture of "do it and **** the consequences" is not necessarily a good thing.

Perhaps society should have more restraint?

In 231 I professed by beliefs. That stirred up a hornet's nest.

Not once did I resort to a personal attack on anyone here in this forum. I have questioned beliefs that may or may not have made people uncomfortable. However, we are not on Talos 7 where right thinking is rewarded and wrong thinking is punished. We debate, we pun, we poke fun at each other in here and other forums.

I am seeing a rise in personal attacks when person X disagrees with person Y. Call me an old fuddy duddy, but that's not how I was brought up.

Maybe, just maybe, we can be a bit more polite when we disagree.

 

[unofan]

My initial post (#214) asked why virginity is no longer an admired trait. It was a question, not an attack.

Then I asked in 219 if it was a good thing.

Then in post 222 I asked the following:


I then responded in 225


In 231 I professed by beliefs. That stirred up a hornet's nest.

Not once did I resort to a personal attack on anyone here in this forum. I have questioned beliefs that may or may not have made people uncomfortable. However, we are not on Talos 7 where right thinking is rewarded and wrong thinking is punished. We debate, we pun, we poke fun at each other in here and other forums.

I am seeing a rise in personal attacks when person X disagrees with person Y. Call me an old fuddy duddy, but that's not how I was brought up.

Maybe, just maybe, we can be a bit more polite when we disagree.

You're right, you never explicitly said it. Of course, all of your "questions" led to there. And not one did you ever deny or refute that your agreement with what every one inferred from your "questions." Silence speaks as much as words at times.

I'll note even in the post I'm quoting you never actually say that is not what you were going for. Besides, when people mention the very rational scenario of two committed, financially responsible people in a monogamous relationship other than marriage, and you respond by asking about people who have seven kids with seven women, what did you expect us to believe you were saying?

 

[burd]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Exactly. There are many, many problems inherent to human existence. However, solid education with real facts is usually the best way to approach most problems. Scare tactics or ignoring that a problem exists just kicks the can down the line.

States that have comprehensive, factual sexual education tend to have lower teen pregnancy rates. States that have "abstinence only" education tend to have higher teen pregnancy rates. Telling teens to not have sex does not work. People are going to have sex. We have way too much "animal" in our neurobiology to prevent that on any meaningful scale. The best approach is to educate them about the risks/benefits and they will be much more likely to be safe when they have sex.

You want to prevent (some) people from multiple unwanted children with multiple partners? Give them access to free/affordable birth control. For those who cringe at using tax dollars for contraception...think how many condoms/oral contraceptives you could buy for the cost of one child on welfare. Also think how much Medicaid pays right now for preventable STI treatment. Penicillin is not too pricey but a condom is a hell of a lot cheaper.

WW speaks truth once again. He is the Master to our inner Grasshopper.

And he knows an Evil Empire when he sees one, and that's big.

 

[WisconsinWildcard]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

WW speaks truth once again. He is the Master to our inner Grasshopper.

And he knows an Evil Empire when he sees one, and that's big.

Ha! In truth, I am just young enough to remember my childhood. If my parents told me not to do something just because they said so, I would probably do it anyway. If my parents explained to me the situation, possible consequences, etc, I would do it anyway but wear a helmet (pun at first not intended but now kind of intended)

 

[leswp1]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Ha! In truth, I am just young enough to remember my childhood. If my parents told me not to do something just because they said so, I would probably do it anyway. If my parents explained to me the situation, possible consequences, etc, I would do it anyway but wear a helmet (pun at first not intended but now kind of intended)

I did what I was told because I liked to sit down and if I didn't sitting wasn't an option for a few days.

 

[WisconsinWildcard]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

I did what I was told because I liked to sit down and if I didn't sitting wasn't an option for a few days.

Us "Millennials" had it easy

 

[LynahFan]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

I believe that kids born from a marriage are much better off than those who are not.

I believe that, too - in fact, that's not even really something one needs to "believe" since there is plenty of socioeconomic data that *proves* it.

However, I fail to see any connection at all between "kids from marriage are better off" and "all non-marital sex is bad."