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Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

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manurespreader said:
Well before I answer priceless, you have to understand something about the bible. If you have an agenda, any agenda, you can find quotes there to support your point of view. You can also find quotes refuting that point of view. So the evangelicals are guilty as charged, and the real problem is no one really hits them in the face with their own BS.

From my point of view, I left church for a long time, but after some thought, came back. I find it makes my life better.
So Priceless, sure, whatever.

Too many people use Chirst's message and the bible in general for money and power. Been going on for a long time, but Don't confuse that with the message.
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Replace the Bible and Christ's message with any religion or cult, and you've pretty much hit the nail on the head.
 
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If the aftermath of my fiancee's bridal shower yesterday is any indication, marriage is about carrying boxes out to the car.
 
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jmh said:
If the aftermath of my fiancee's bridal shower yesterday is any indication, marriage is about carrying boxes out to the car.
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No wonder women want huge weddings... a bunch of crap the happy couple doesn't need, even if it is free.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Like many topics in the Bible, you can probably find several subtle inferences regarding homosexuality (whether intended or not). Likewise, its entirely possible to look past the many strong, multiple messages that you shoud neither judge others nor discriminate. This has been commonplace since the Bible was written. Thankfully society has largely understood what's important...and is greatly improved since the Bible was originally printed.
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I refer you to my comment today in the other thread, as they apply here and I'm too lazy to retype them.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I refer you to my comment today in the other thread, as they apply here and I'm too lazy to retype them.
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They have these wonderful functions these days called "copy" and "paste" that you might want to explore a little.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I refer you to my comment today in the other thread, as they apply here and I'm too lazy to retype them.
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There is significant validity that the only way to heaven is through Christ and that helping others to find it is 'blessed'. Although it is an outstanding Biblical question whether that means literally through outright belief in Him...or whether its through adherance to what He espouses - the Word. I happen to believe the latter..and that those who are good people will not go to hell (including if they've never been exposed to Christianity).

The problem is that at best many misunderstand and at worst many consciously misuse the Bible to preach to others about how they should be living. Misapplication of the Bible has led to much societal alienation and much worse (see the inquisition, crusades) and still goes on today. For example, an evangelical could likely preach someone who more closely follows Jesus' teaching than the evangical him/herself does.

IMO definition of marriage is one such area. I really don't know where Jesus would come down on the issue. But many evangicals appear to have no doubt.
 
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manurespreader said:
Well before I answer priceless, you have to understand something about the bible. If you have an agenda, any agenda, you can find quotes there to support your point of view. You can also find quotes refuting that point of view. So the evangelicals are guilty as charged, and the real problem is no one really hits them in the face with their own BS.

From my point of view, I left church for a long time, but after some thought, came back. I find it makes my life better.
So Priceless, sure, whatever.

Too many people use Chirst's message and the bible in general for money and power. Been going on for a long time, but Don't confuse that with the message.
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My path, beliefs and rewards almost exactly.
 
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5mn_Major said:
There is significant validity that the only way to heaven is through Christ and that helping others to find it is 'blessed'. Although it is an outstanding Biblical question whether that means literally through outright belief in Him...or whether its through adherance to what He espouses - the Word. I happen to believe the latter..and that those who are good people will not go to hell (including if they've never been exposed to Christianity).

The problem is that at best many misunderstand and at worst many consciously misuse the Bible to preach to others about how they should be living. Misapplication of the Bible has led to much societal alienation and much worse (see the inquisition, crusades) and still goes on today. For example, an evangelical could likely preach someone who more closely follows Jesus' teaching than the evangical him/herself does.

IMO definition of marriage is one such area. I really don't know where Jesus would come down on the issue. But many evangicals appear to have no doubt.
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You're making a distinction where there isn't one. He is the Word. For example, see John 1. Preaching to people about the way they are living is a waste of time. Christianity has nothing to do with performing a given set of behaviors. If it was, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. However, if a person has a real and living encounter with Jesus, it's likely that behavioral changes will come from that. As for being good, well, only one is good, according to generally understood Christianity, and it certainly isn't you or me.
 
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Bob Gray said:
You're making a distinction where there isn't one. He is the Word. For example, see John 1. Preaching to people about the way they are living is a waste of time. Christianity has nothing to do with performing a given set of behaviors. If it was, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. However, if a person has a real and living encounter with Jesus, it's likely that behavioral changes will come from that. As for being good, well, only one is good, according to generally understood Christianity, and it certainly isn't you or me.
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Good passage.

Youre right. There is pretty much no distinction between Jesus and the Word. Problem is that many create one inadvertently...that is to say they believe, which by the logic is the same as the Word and then forget what the Word is all about. So I believe you have to stay focused on the Word first or the belief can flow from that.

After reflecting, I would say that I disagree that Christianity is not about 'performing a set of behaviors'. I think it is. Acts of kindness, etc. But there is an extremely fine line between trying to help others by showing the opportunities...and getting preachy. Based on true Christianity, telling others how to live their lives should not even be on the table.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Good passage.

Youre right. There is pretty much no distinction between Jesus and the Word. Problem is that many create one inadvertently...that is to say they believe, which by the logic is the same as the Word and then forget what the Word is all about. So I believe you have to stay focused on the Word first or the belief can flow from that.

After reflecting, I would say that I disagree that Christianity is not about 'performing a set of behaviors'. I think it is. Acts of kindness, etc. But there is an extremely fine line between trying to help others by showing the opportunities...and getting preachy. Based on true Christianity, telling others how to live their lives should not even be on the table.
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Condemn the sin, embrace the sinner.
 
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FreshFish said:
Condemn the sin, embrace the sinner.
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So...condemn eating lobster, but embrace the person who eats lobster... Not sure that would work. The person eating the lobster would probably be ticked off at you condemning eating lobster in the first place.
 
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Priceless said:
So...condemn eating lobster, but embrace the person who eats lobster... Not sure that would work. The person eating the lobster would probably be ticked off at you condemning eating lobster in the first place.
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I believe their point is that if someone's in the wrong, help them out to get on your path. If they choose not to, it's their decision, and move on.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
I believe their point is that if someone's in the wrong, help them out to get on your path. If they choose not to, it's their decision, and move on.
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Oh. So since the person eating the lobster isn't bothering you, you should probably just leave them alone?
 
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Priceless said:
Oh. So since the person eating the lobster isn't bothering you, you should probably just leave them alone?
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Yet somehow, some people seem to construe that as being commanded to burn the lobster witches.
 
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St. Clown said:
Yet somehow, some people seem to construe that as being commanded to burn the lobster witches.
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They probably don't want their kids to think eating lobster is OK.

Speaking of which, I'm having a lobster roll for lunch. Remember: Hate the sin, love the sinner!
 
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