Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

[Bob Gray]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

I love the comment on the California story about this allowing some pervert to put on a dress, walk into the girl's room and rape some preteen. What exactly is stopping them from doing that now? The bathroom police?

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

 

[Foxton]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

I love the comment on the California story about this allowing some pervert to put on a dress, walk into the girl's room and rape some preteen. What exactly is stopping them from doing that now? The bathroom police?

Clearly armed guards are necessary to keep this rampant problem in check!

 

[LynahFan]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

How about the creation of the future of the country? Or if this becomes a New World Order thing, the entire human species?

Ridiculous on so many fronts.

1. The human race is in *no* danger of wiping itself out by underbreeding
2. Allowing gay marriage has no effect on the number of hetero marriages - there's not a finite supply of marriage licenses (like doe tags), so anyone who wants one can get one
3. I don't recall signing a pledge to procreate as a condition of my hetero marriage
4. If anything, gay marriage will increase the total number of marriages in the country and therefore INCREASE the number of births (as more married couples opt for in vitro, surrogates, etc) , not decrease it.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

I love the comment on the California story about this allowing some pervert to put on a dress, walk into the girl's room and rape some preteen. What exactly is stopping them from doing that now? The bathroom police?

Subscribed because... duh

 

[leswp1]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Ridiculous on so many fronts.

1. The human race is in *no* danger of wiping itself out by underbreeding
2. Allowing gay marriage has no effect on the number of hetero marriages - there's not a finite supply of marriage licenses (like doe tags), so anyone who wants one can get one
3. I don't recall signing a pledge to procreate as a condition of my hetero marriage
4. If anything, gay marriage will increase the total number of marriages in the country and therefore INCREASE the number of births (as more married couples opt for in vitro, surrogates, etc) , not decrease it.

Ha- We got married in the Catholic Church and you had to sign something to have kids and raise them in "the church". Thankfully it did not say RC church so I did not break my word. Horrifying to the in-laws~ we are heretical Lutherans.

 

[LynahFan]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Ha- We got married in the Catholic Church and you had to sign something to have kids and raise them in "the church". Thankfully it did not say RC church so I did not break my word. Horrifying to the in-laws~ we are heretical Lutherans.

Ah, yes. The Catholics: not nearly enough starving children in the world yet, so get busy!

(obviously I was referring to the civil side, where the government does not consider procreation intent or ability for hetero marriages)

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Ridiculous on so many fronts.

1. The human race is in *no* danger of wiping itself out by underbreeding

tell that to Europe!

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Ha- We got married in the Catholic Church and you had to sign something to have kids and raise them in "the church". Thankfully it did not say RC church so I did not break my word. Horrifying to the in-laws~ we are heretical Lutherans.

Ah, a Lutheran. That explains it!


Actually my in-laws are Lutheran, and we enjoy going to their services every so often.

 

[LynahFan]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

tell that to Europe!

I've seen no projections that show the population of Europe declining to zero. Have you?

Declining populations are not a problem - provided that your social institutions aren't based on pyramid schemes which require perpetual popluation increases in order to maintain financial stability. Oh, wait...

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

I've seen no projections that show the population of Europe declining to zero. Have you?

Declining populations are not a problem - provided that your social institutions aren't based on pyramid schemes which require perpetual popluation increases in order to maintain financial stability. Oh, wait...

This is a demographic reality in Europe, where the native birth rate in most if not all European countries is not enough to maintain existing population levels. In some countries it's quite dramatic. I've read a number of articles about this in Russia over the years. Immigration is the only thing keeping European countries from showing significant population declines.

And yes, of course nobody expects Russia or Germany or the UK to have zero population. Good one!

 

[joecct]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

I've seen no projections that show the population of Europe declining to zero. Have you?

Declining populations are not a problem - provided that your social institutions aren't based on pyramid schemes which require perpetual popluation increases in order to maintain financial stability. Oh, wait...

Declining to zero? That would take a plague, mega disaster, or a war of extermination.

However, white Europe is not birthing at a replacement rate. Nature does not like a vacuum and something/one will happen to replace the whites. Sooner or later white Europe will be a minority.

 

[LynahFan]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Declining to zero? That would take a plague, mega disaster, or a war of extermination.

However, white Europe is not birthing at a replacement rate. Nature does not like a vacuum and something/one will happen to replace the whites. Sooner or later white Europe will be a minority.

Flagdude raised the original point that we need to keep gay marriage illegal in order to magically keep the birth rates up (how does that work?) and enable "creation of the future of the country." The only scenario where there is *no* future of the US is where the population of the entire planet declines to zero. As long as the world population keeps increasing (and it will), there will be plenty of huddled masses eager to keep the US population at whatever level is deemed ideal by Those Who Know Best.

It's cute that you and Bob think the European demographics are news to someone who lived in Europe for 6 years. So what? Somehow we switched from talking about the US being left to die on the vine with NO future at all because of gay marriage, over to talking about a modest decline of the "right" (er, white) type of European population. Yeah, that follows.

 

[Priceless]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Declining to zero? That would take a plague, mega disaster, or a war of extermination.

However, white Europe is not birthing at a replacement rate. Nature does not like a vacuum and something/one will happen to replace the whites. Sooner or later white Europe will be a minority.

White Europe?

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Flagdude raised the original point that we need to keep gay marriage illegal in order to magically keep the birth rates up (how does that work?) and enable "creation of the future of the country." The only scenario where there is *no* future of the US is where the population of the entire planet declines to zero. As long as the world population keeps increasing (and it will), there will be plenty of huddled masses eager to keep the US population at whatever level is deemed ideal by Those Who Know Best.

It's cute that you and Bob think the European demographics are news to someone who lived in Europe for 6 years. So what? Somehow we switched from talking about the US being left to die on the vine with NO future at all because of gay marriage, over to talking about a modest decline of the "right" (er, white) type of European population. Yeah, that follows.

Your trying to argue a silly extreme case that nobody is talking about. I suggest dialing it back a bit.


If you can't see the possible correlation between fact of the demographic decline in Europe and the possibility that the U.S. could at least theoreticaly have something similar happen, then, ah, I'd suggest not weighing in on things like this. It's a pretty obvious and simple point. But, hey, I know a lot of folks like to argue about anything around here, so no expectations on my part.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

White Europe?

I think that's short for the traditional ethnic group(s) contained in much if not all of Europe. Which I'm sure you knew already.

 

[Priceless]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

I think that's short for the traditional ethnic group(s) contained in much if not all of Europe. Which I'm sure you knew already.

Ah. When talking about ethnicity I usually see the word "Caucasian" used. "White Europe" and "White America" have a slightly different connotation. Which I'm sure you knew already.

 

[LynahFan]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

If you can't see the possible correlation between fact of the demographic decline in Europe and the possibility that the U.S. could at least theoreticaly have something similar happen, then, ah, I'd suggest not weighing in on things like this. It's a pretty obvious and simple point.

Whew, good thing I wasn't arguing agaist such an obvious point, then. Of course something similar could happen in the US. A) So what? and B) How is that in any way, shape, or form related to gay marriage? That's where I *don't* see a possible correlation, so I'd be very interested to see you or Flagdude to take a crack at it.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Ah. When talking about ethnicity I usually see the word "Caucasian" used. "White Europe" and "White America" have a slightly different connotation. Which I'm sure you knew already.

So you think joecct was talking about European neo-Nazi demographics? That's silly.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Whew, good thing I wasn't arguing agaist such an obvious point, then. Of course something similar could happen in the US. A) So what? and B) How is that in any way, shape, or form related to gay marriage? That's where I *don't* see a possible correlation, so I'd be very interested to see you or Flagdude to take a crack at it.

You've never heard of childbearing either, eh? I really don't know when to take your seriously or not. You say something silly and then get all serious and then back and forth.

Really, you could have done better than the zero population strawman you tried to knock down.

 

[Priceless]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

So you think joecct was talking about European neo-Nazi demographics? That's silly.

No, I don't think he was talking about neo-Nazis.