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Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

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Bob doesnt care what Jesus would actually think, he cares only about what the Bible said which is gays are bad! It also said we can stone our wives...hey maybe that is why divorce is so high WIVES SHOULD BE STONED MORE OFTEN!!!! :mad: :p

Man...I wonder what America would be like if Bob had his way :eek:
Impressive. So many misconceptions squeezed into so few sentences. :p
 
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A friend posted this bumper sticker: "The fact that you can't sell your daughter for 3 goats and a cow means that we have already redefined marriage."

Nice.
We all agree that's not a good road to get to marriage. But,this quote confuses the road one gets to marriage with marriage itself. I'm pretty sure those marriages were male-female, just like pretty much always in every culture until this latest social trend. So no redefinition of marriage itself. But, hey, details, details, huh?
 
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The churches problems are on an entirely different galaxy compared to the Boy Scouts.
But the trend of what happens when a group strays from its core principals in an effort to conform to the latest societal trend is the same. Look at a group like the Episcopaleans. They embrace gay marriage, gay priests, etc. and they are well on their way to becoming the first major denomination to literally wither away to nothing.
 
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My immediate thought
I haven't seen your explanation and I don't know what you mean. I am unclear why Scouts would decline. These boys and men are the same boys and men they were before except now, instead of either lying about who they are or not being involved they can be honest. The men who were good leaders and happen to be gay are not suddenly going to turn into bad leaders. If someone judges only by sexual orientation then it is not the leader that has the trouble, it is the person who is judging on the wrong 'merits.'

Sexuality is not the most important part of most peoples' personality. When someone asks me to define myself I do not start out with my sexual preference or who I sleep with, I start out with a character trait. Others may start out with their profession. Do you look at a heterosexual and wonder who they sleep with or what they do in the bedroom as your first thought? Does who they sleep with negate all their other traits? I highly doubt it. Jesus associated with all the undesirables of his time- tax collectors, prostitutes, fallen women, lepers etc. When I see people judging those who they deem 'unfit' I wonder what Jesus would think about how we have forgotten what he has taught us.
The Boy Scouts have been pressured into making a change against who they've been their entire existence and against what at least a good chunk of the folks who send their kids to the Boy Scouts believe. All groups set all kinds of standards of what they believe in or not and what is acceptable or not acceptable for membership and participation in their groups. But, I guess the right of association, as with other rights in this country, isn't what it once was. This is simply a case where one group is forcing their views on the other group and won't rest until all differing perspectives are crushed. The Boy Scouts I'm sure have a number of criteria for who should be in leadership beyond this one, and if someone can't meet any of those standards, then they shouldn't be in leadership.

If sexuality isn't important, then why has everybody been having a fit at the Boy Scouts for the last umpteen years because they don't embrace the views others are forcing upon them? You can't go both ways at once. Certainly it's not the only or primary thing to focus on, but obviously it's important enough that people have exerted enormous pressure to the point the Scouts finally caved in. Can't blame them as I said. The ugliness that came up against them is washing across this nation and will come up against anyone else who doesn't think and do as some people say they should.
 
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Let's try something.

The Boy Scouts have been pressured into making a change against who they've been their entire existence and against what at least a good chunk of the folks who send their kids to the Boy Scouts believe. All groups set all kinds of standards of what they believe in or not and what is acceptable or not acceptable for membership and participation in their groups. But, I guess the right of association, as with other rights in this country, isn't what it once was. This is simply a case where one group is forcing their views on the other group and won't rest until all differing perspectives are crushed. The Boy Scouts I'm sure have a number of criteria for who should be in leadership beyond this one, and if someone can't meet any of those standards, then they shouldn't be in leadership.

If race isn't important, then why has everybody been having a fit at the Boy Scouts for the last umpteen years because they don't embrace the views others are forcing upon them? You can't go both ways at once. Certainly it's not the only or primary thing to focus on, but obviously it's important enough that people have exerted enormous pressure to the point the Scouts finally caved in. Can't blame them as I said. The ugliness that came up against them is washing across this nation and will come up against anyone else who doesn't think and do as some people say they should.

Should they be allowed to exclude little white boys or black boys or brown boys or orange boys?
 
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The Boy Scouts have been pressured into making a change against who they've been their entire existence and against what at least a good chunk of the folks who send their kids to the Boy Scouts believe. All groups set all kinds of standards of what they believe in or not and what is acceptable or not acceptable for membership and participation in their groups. But, I guess the right of association, as with other rights in this country, isn't what it once was. This is simply a case where one group is forcing their views on the other group and won't rest until all differing perspectives are crushed. The Boy Scouts I'm sure have a number of criteria for who should be in leadership beyond this one, and if someone can't meet any of those standards, then they shouldn't be in leadership.

If sexuality isn't important, then why has everybody been having a fit at the Boy Scouts for the last umpteen years because they don't embrace the views others are forcing upon them? You can't go both ways at once. Certainly it's not the only or primary thing to focus on, but obviously it's important enough that people have exerted enormous pressure to the point the Scouts finally caved in. Can't blame them as I said. The ugliness that came up against them is washing across this nation and will come up against anyone else who doesn't think and do as some people say they should.

I don't see one thing in this entire post that explains why you believe that gay kids should be denied the opportunity to engage in scouting. Please explain why singling them out for rejection is in anyone's best interest.
 
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Can't you come up with a better red herring than that? :rolleyes:

It's not a red herring. It's an honest question. That it makes you uncomfortable is another issue best discussed between you and your shrink.
 
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Let's try something.



Should they be allowed to exclude little white boys or black boys or brown boys or orange boys?

Should they be? Yes. Should they be ridiculed for it? Of course.

The rhetoric Bob is using, that acceptance of homosexuals into our society is a ghastly wave destroying the moral fabric of this once great country, is quite repugnant. But that's a different story.
 
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Should they be? Yes. Should they be ridiculed for it? Of course.

The rhetoric Bob is using, that acceptance of homosexuals into our society is a ghastly wave destroying the moral fabric of this once great country, is quite repugnant. But that's a different story.

Acceptance (or even tolerance) of a group into society is one thing. Forcing a private group with the right to refuse service to anyone to accept members is completely another. The Augusta Club (yes, those green jackets actually signify membership) just recently admitted the first woman into the golf club. Recall that admittance to the club is by invitation only. I don't recall hearing the stains complaining about that. Or are women not very high on their priority list, assuming they ever were?
 
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It's not a red herring. It's an honest question. That it makes you uncomfortable is another issue best discussed between you and your shrink.
Uh, yah.

I'm just fine, thank you. A little tired after a busy weekend full of yard projects and get togethers, but nothing more. Thanks.
 
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Acceptance (or even tolerance) of a group into society is one thing. Forcing a private group with the right to refuse service to anyone to accept members is completely another. The Augusta Club (yes, those green jackets actually signify membership) just recently admitted the first woman into the golf club. Recall that admittance to the club is by invitation only. I don't recall hearing the stains complaining about that. Or are women not very high on their priority list, assuming they ever were?

Guess you weren't paying attention. I recall the protests by Martha Burk and others that led the Masters to have only a couple of corporate partners and run almost entirely commercial-free.
 
The Boy Scouts have been pressured into making a change against who they've been their entire existence and against what at least a good chunk of the folks who send their kids to the Boy Scouts believe. All groups set all kinds of standards of what they believe in or not and what is acceptable or not acceptable for membership and participation in their groups. But, I guess the right of association, as with other rights in this country, isn't what it once was. This is simply a case where one group is forcing their views on the other group and won't rest until all differing perspectives are crushed. The Boy Scouts I'm sure have a number of criteria for who should be in leadership beyond this one, and if someone can't meet any of those standards, then they shouldn't be in leadership.

If sexuality isn't important, then why has everybody been having a fit at the Boy Scouts for the last umpteen years because they don't embrace the views others are forcing upon them? You can't go both ways at once. Certainly it's not the only or primary thing to focus on, but obviously it's important enough that people have exerted enormous pressure to the point the Scouts finally caved in. Can't blame them as I said. The ugliness that came up against them is washing across this nation and will come up against anyone else who doesn't think and do as some people say they should.

Because the boy scouts are the one making it an issue. They see two otherwise identical scouts, but say to one "you're not qualified because you're gay."

Also, seeing as this was a change from within, how are you so certain that a good portion of its members wanted the status quo? It appears a larger portion was willing to embrace the change for the betterment of the scouts.
 
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What's with all the chatter about the BSA being forced to change? It was discussed for years, their leadership took a vote, and the outcome was 61-39. Some people are acting like a hypothetical Obama commission or committee threatened to sue the BSA if they didn't change.

This won't change anything else in the foreseeable future.
 
Guess you weren't paying attention. I recall the protests by Martha Burk and others that led the Masters to have only a couple of corporate partners and run almost entirely commercial-free.

Seriously? He doesn't remember the uproar from just the last year when the new ceo of ibm, a woman, wasn't given the traditional invite extended to the ceo of ibm?

As I said at the time, it was well within their right to do so, but it makes them look really really bad.
 
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