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Johnny Manziel vs Nic Kerdiles

Timothy A

Timothy A

Let's go RED!
Last year incoming UW freshman Nic Kerdiles was suspended by the NCAA for an entire year because the night of the NHL draft he stayed in a hotel room that was part of a block purchased by Ian Pulver, a full fledged sports agent. Sources said there were extenuating circumstances that led Kerdiles to stay in that room, and that once his family found out Pulver paid for it, they paid for the hotel stay. His suspension was later reduced to 30% of the season, 10 games.

Johnny Manziel knowingly signed thousands of autographs for multiple memorabilia dealers, was reportedly paid 5 figures to do so (but alas, there's no proof), but he only gets half a game suspension for "inadvertently" violating ncaa rules. He is even recorded saying to a dealer "you never did a signing with me". He got to keep whatever he profited from this. Obviously signing thousands of autographs on separate multiple occasions does not fit the definition of inadvertent.

It's fair to say Kerdiles also inadvertently violated the rules, though his instance was a true inadvertent violation, and his family paid for the hotel and he looses 30% of his season. Manziel gets 5 figures, keeps it, and looses 4% of his season.

We all know the NCAA is a pile of horse crap, I just thought it would be interesting to contrast the 2 cases.
 
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Yep. It's a different variation of the same rule you see in every other part of society: if you make more money, the rules don't apply to you.
 
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I don't even think I can begin to say that I think the NCAA made a fair decision for Johnny Football... But money talks... So I'm not shocked at all..
 
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Kerdiles doesn't play QB in the SEC.
 
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Priceless said:
Kerdiles doesn't play QB in the SEC.
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How happy is A&M that they made the move to the SEC? Manziel would have never seen the field again had they stayed in the B12. Now, USC is going to feel the wrath of the NCAA for Manziel's wrongdoings.
 
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At least Johnny Football has some class. After his first TD pass he hauled out a money clip. The NCAA really messed up.
 
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Um, Timothy A, the reason Manziel wasn't bagged for real is because the NCAA couldn't prove it. Sucks, but it is what it is.
 
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J.D. said:
Um, Timothy A, the reason Manziel wasn't bagged for real is because the NCAA couldn't prove it. Sucks, but it is what it is.
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Because the NCAA decided they didn't want to try to prove it. The NCAA had witch hunts at USC involving no long student-athlete Reggie Bush and Miami, spending months investigating in hopes of finding something so they could punish those two schools. But after spending four hours talking to Manziel, the NCAA decides they can't prove anything and give up.
 
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That's a fair opinion, no question...but, they have suspended superstar football players for multiple games/whole season, etc. before. Do they pick and choose their battles? Some will undoubtedly say yes. I just have a hard time believing they'd let something as blatant as this go, no matter how big the star.

Putting big time programs on probation, etc. hurt the overall cash cow that college football is, but that hasn't stopped the NCAA from acting.
 
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The NCAA ended Dez Bryant' s college career because he had lunch with Deon Sanders. They have this kid on audio with one of the guys who paid him cash. Yeah...No evidence. They didn't want to punish the reigning Heisman winner who just happens to play in the SEC. What a coincidence. If he was still the QB at Oregon, the Ducks would already be on probation with a two year bowl ban.
 
Priceless said:
The NCAA ended Dez Bryant' s college career because he had lunch with Deon Sanders. They have this kid on audio with one of the guys who paid him cash. Yeah...No evidence. They didn't want to punish the reigning Heisman winner who just happens to play in the SEC. What a coincidence. If he was still the QB at Oregon, the Ducks would already be on probation with a two year bowl ban.
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They suspended Bryant because he lied about it and got caught.
Yes they have him audio but no they don't have proof he was paid.
Is it highly likely he did get paid? Sure
But there is no proof.
I don't like the NCAA much either but your comments here are ridiculous.
If they cared that much about the Heisman, Bush would still have one.
 
First Time said:
They suspended Bryant because he lied about it and got caught.
Yes they have him audio but no they don't have proof he was paid.
Is it highly likely he did get paid? Sure
But there is no proof.
I don't like the NCAA much either but your comments here are ridiculous.
If they cared that much about the Heisman, Bush would still have one.
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Reggie Bush wasn't the reigning winner when the NCAA got around to punishing USC. Again, a QB in the SEC gets treated with kid gloves (Cam Newton says hello) while others get the book hurled at them. What "evidence" did the NCAA have against the kids at Ohio State? Less than they had against Johnny Football.
 
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Ya I just don't think it has anything to do with conference affiliation
 
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And I'm not sure what you're talking about in regard to having less evidence against ohio state. That just isn't true. Nobody from ohio state even denied what was found out.
 
J.D. said:
And I'm not sure what you're talking about in regard to having less evidence against ohio state. That just isn't true. Nobody from ohio state even denied what was found out.
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So if they'd have pulled what Johnny Football did and deny, deny, deny do you think for a minute the NCAA would have said, "Darn, there's no evidence" and dropped it?
 
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It's simple, if nobody denies anything....pretty clear there's guilt.

If you do deny, then you lay the facts out there etc. To me, there was much more evidence against tressel and ohio state than there is against manziel. Look, I don't like it either but unless whoever manziel was working with provides hard evidence...nothing can be done. They can talk all they want, that ain't gonna get it done.
 
Priceless said:
Reggie Bush wasn't the reigning winner when the NCAA got around to punishing USC. Again, a QB in the SEC gets treated with kid gloves (Cam Newton says hello) while others get the book hurled at them. What "evidence" did the NCAA have against the kids at Ohio State? Less than they had against Johnny Football.
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Are you serious?
They could prove the players sold items, and right now, they can't with Manziel.
That is the difference.
While logic may dictate that no one would sign that much stuff without being paid, they can't prove he actually took money.
Your conspiracy theories just don't hold water.
 
Dude Love said:
They can't? What have we been taking about for 2 weeks?
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Speculation that he took money, but again, no one has actually been able to prove that he or anyone associated with him actually was paid.
That's the only thing that matters here.
 
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