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Jack Connolly wins the Hobey

Re: Jack Connolly wins the Hobey

well done. i'm not going to sit here and say all the BC players you mentioned got robbed, but its pretty silly to think that not one of reasoner/gionta/gerbe/collins/atkinson ever won. tends to look like the process is broken.

i think smith should have won this year, but i knew he wouldnt. but you cant argue with any of the 3 choices.. connolly definitely isnt duncan or geoffrien bad; but yeah, statisically, i had connolly 3rd this year. i hate the career awards they give out for this.

The problem is that you have to look at each year and the surrounding circumstances. Part of the genius of York is that he produces great teams without always having the best-of-the-best-of-talent. Great talent, yes, but working in unison. I'm not close enough to really know this, but from afar the two most outstanding players York has had in the last 10-12 years have been Ben Eaves and Nate Gerbe; Eaves got hurt his senior year, and Gerbe had serious character issues (and was up against Kevin Porter, who was also great that year).

re: Other teams not having a viable candidate: For starters, Michigan did have a viable candidate--Shawn Hunwick. Hunwick has the added advantage of being an incredible story. However, neither a great story nor being on a big-name team overcomes his not being as good as any of the top 3, and he was rightfully not part of the Hat Trick. It is interesting that Tipsy mentions BC, UND, Minnesota, and Michigan, yet none of these teams get much love from the Hobey committee on any given year, and all four have had great players that have failed to win the award in years when "lesser" programs have had better candidates. Those four programs have won a total of four Hobeys (one each) since 1997.

In 1994 Junior Lessard had a great season and won the Hobey; North Dakota had top scoring performances from Brandon Bochenski and Zach Parise, and Tomas Vanek followed up an incredible NCAA championship run with 51 points. Any rumor of a "big-name school bias" evaporates in Lessard's victory. Not-so-big-name CC somehow won two Hobeys in three years, too ("Big-name" Jeff Tambellini of Michigan was third in scoring that year and didn't come close).
 
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The bias really isn't one of being a "big school"; CC obviously is not...I think when most of claim bias it pertains to the WCHA in particular...and frankly, perhaps an anti-ECAC bias...in all honestly the ECAC IS the fourth-ranked of the major conferences, but the difference between the four leagues (and even five) has compressed in the past several years...I'm a Colgate grad and I congratulate Connolly for his win. Let's be honest, however: if UMD does not win a national championship last year does he win the Hobey this year. Smith's 36 goals, his plus 25 rating on a team only two games over .500, his relative lack of secondary assists and PP points - all are clearly superior to the other two candidates. I believe his competitors were something like +14 and +16, with 50% of points attributable to the PP. Understand, I'm not knocking either one of them. Austin simply had a truly remarkable year and many of are asking the following question: what is it going to take for someone from the ECAC to win the Hobey if Smith fell short this year. I really can't comment on the relative merits of the other attributes involved in the Hobey decision other than I know Connolly had impressive credentials (Austin has a 3.5 cum which isn't chop liver)...trying to be objective, I will say that Austin had two very good linemates, in particular Chris Wagner (a soph would recently signed with Anaheim - very unusual for Colgate to lose a player prior to using four years of eligibility) who could've been a second team All-American and scored 51 points himself. Bottom Line: I'm somewhat upset and very disappointed. Over the past 10 to 15 years some of the committee's selections have been somewhat curious. I KNEW this week that Connolly would win and I take nothing away from his award. Nonetheless, unless the powers-that-be feel that the ECAC is simply a high-level DIII conference Smith clearly deserved the award.
 
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and BTW, congrats to the BC Eagles...talented, deep and fast...small forwards with speed, big, mobile defensemen, solid in goal...a class program with a class coach...and thanks, BC fans for your support of Austin...no one here who feels that he merited the Hobey has uttered one negative word about Connolly or Abbott...they were both strong candidates...in light of a history of questionable selections, however, one must question the integrity of the process...
 
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They aren't. But if BC, UND, Minnesota or Michigan (to name a couple) had a viable candidate this year, do you think Connolly would have won? I doubt it.

Edit: also, I said it is an uphill battle, not impossible to win. Keep up the good work of being a d-bag.

I'm a d-bag because your mad that some guy from St. Cloud go hosed 10 years ago?

You stay classy Sterns County.
 
I'm a d-bag because your mad that some guy from St. Cloud go hosed 10 years ago?

You stay classy Sterns County.

No, you are a d-bag because you completely misconstrued what I said, and then instead of disagreeing and explaining why, you just made a snarky comment.
 
It is interesting that Tipsy mentions BC, UND, Minnesota, and Michigan, yet none of these teams get much love from the Hobey committee on any given year, and all four have had great players that have failed to win the award in years when "lesser" programs have had better candidates. Those four programs have won a total of four Hobeys (one each) since 1997.

In 1994 Junior Lessard had a great season and won the Hobey; North Dakota had top scoring performances from Brandon Bochenski and Zach Parise, and Tomas Vanek followed up an incredible NCAA championship run with 51 points. Any rumor of a "big-name school bias" evaporates in Lessard's victory. Not-so-big-name CC somehow won two Hobeys in three years, too ("Big-name" Jeff Tambellini of Michigan was third in scoring that year and didn't come close).
Lessard won the scoring title that year, so my argument doesn't evaporate. Marty Sertich also won the scoring title.

Again, I never said only players from big time programs win. I said it is harder for players for Colgate to win than it is for players from BC, Minnesota or UND, etc. If you disagree, that's fine.
 
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Lessard won the scoring title that year, so my argument doesn't evaporate. Marty Sertich also won the scoring title.

Again, I never said only players from big time programs win. I said it is harder for players for Colgate to win than it is for players from BC, Minnesota or UND, etc. If you disagree, that's fine.

Fair enough, that's true--but a Colgate player will be at a disadvantage to a player from virtually any team from the WCHA, HEA, or CCHA, not just the bigger-name ones. The ECAC in general is not highly regarded, and a player from a team that doesn't win it even more so.
 
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No, you are a d-bag because you completely misconstrued what I said, and then instead of disagreeing and explaining why, you just made a snarky comment.

I didn't say I disagreed or agreed. Maybe your guy (Hartigan) got hosed, I don't remember the details of the 2002 season and certainly didn't have a Hobey vote. Is it harder to win the Hobey at a small school? Of course. If Smith played for U of M (either one) or a championship winning team he probably would have won. A little recognition goes a long way.

Would I like to think that UMD is a traditional powerhouse? Of course, but that's not realistic. Does the Hobey winner usually come from a traditional powerhouse? No. Powerhouses like Denver, UND, BU, BC and Michigan all have fewer Hobeys than Harvard.

Look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobey_Baker_Award#Winners_by_school

Not sure what you deal is.
 
Re: Jack Connolly wins the Hobey

I didn't say I disagreed or agreed. Maybe your guy (Hartigan) got hosed, I don't remember the details of the 2002 season and certainly didn't have a Hobey vote. Is it harder to win the Hobey at a small school? Of course. If Smith played for U of M (either one) or a championship winning team he probably would have won. A little recognition goes a long way.

Would I like to think that UMD is a traditional powerhouse? Of course, but that's not realistic. Does the Hobey winner usually come from a traditional powerhouse? No. Powerhouses like Denver, UND, BU, BC and Michigan all have fewer Hobeys than Harvard.

Look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobey_Baker_Award#Winners_by_school

Not sure what you deal is.

I don't have a "deal". My mentioning Hartigan was not to get people to weigh in on that specific case, just using it as an example of a time when I thought the vote could have gone another way and instead went to a player on a traditional power.

You said, "Is it harder to win the Hobey at a small school? Of course." So basically we agree.
 
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Congrats to Connolly. A well deserved way to finish off his college career.
 
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I didn't say I disagreed or agreed. Maybe your guy (Hartigan) got hosed, I don't remember the details of the 2002 season and certainly didn't have a Hobey vote. Is it harder to win the Hobey at a small school? Of course. If Smith played for U of M (either one) or a championship winning team he probably would have won. A little recognition goes a long way.

Would I like to think that UMD is a traditional powerhouse? Of course, but that's not realistic. Does the Hobey winner usually come from a traditional powerhouse? No. Powerhouses like Denver, UND, BU, BC and Michigan all have fewer Hobeys than Harvard.

Look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobey_Baker_Award#Winners_by_school

Not sure what you deal is.

the problem with saying smith would win if playing for either U of M is that his points would probaly go down because of the tougher compition those two teams faced.
 
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the problem with saying smith would win if playing for either U of M is that his points would probaly go down because of the tougher compition those two teams faced.

Right, meant same numbers different team. Or same numbers different person, like Kyle Rau next year (Bjugs didn't leave him did he?).
 
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the problem with saying smith would win if playing for either U of M is that his points would probaly go down because of the tougher compition those two teams faced.

how 'bout if Smith played for UND while peeing on a lawnmower during a lawnmower throwing competition while singing Canada's national anthem... BTW, Frattin and Panzer got way more screwed than said Smith so this thread is moot. What say you happy?
 
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how 'bout if Smith played for UND while peeing on a lawnmower during a lawnmower throwing competition while singing Canada's national anthem... BTW, Frattin and Panzer got way more screwed than said Simth so this thread is moot. What say you happy?
Hobey Baker Award Criteria

1. Candidates must exhibit strength of character both on and off the ice.

Alright, Frattin is out.
 
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