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Is the CCHA the ECAC of the West?
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MUhawks628
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bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: Is the CCHA the ECAC of the West?
Athletically, not academically.You said it, not me.
Oh wait...I'm suposed to be in angry mode...****
MUhawks628
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Re: Is the CCHA the ECAC of the West?
Thats unfair to Harvard. They've won a D1 championship in any sport
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Athletically, not academically.
Thats unfair to Harvard. They've won a D1 championship in any sport
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bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: Is the CCHA the ECAC of the West?
and they're quarterbacks don't rape college girls.Thats unfair to Harvard. They've won a D1 championship in any sport
MUhawks628
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FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: Is the CCHA the ECAC of the West?
The current ECAC teams have 5 national championships: RPI 2, Cornell 2, Harvard 1. Obviously the ECAC has won many more, but those were prior to the Hockey East break-off. Television-wise, we have Time Warner, CSTV a couple times, ESPN-U a couple times, also the NHL Network will simulcast these productions. NESN may cover some, but they usually do BU and BC. I think I also remember SNY doing a few games. Most of the other casts are independent (B2, internal to school, etc.). The ECAC does have one of the three current D-1 teams that has a winning record against Michigan.
I don't know any of the other stats without further research, which I do not have time to do.
Oh, and how many times has the CCHA pulled off an undefeated and un-tied season?
The current ECAC teams have 5 national championships: RPI 2, Cornell 2, Harvard 1. Obviously the ECAC has won many more, but those were prior to the Hockey East break-off. Television-wise, we have Time Warner, CSTV a couple times, ESPN-U a couple times, also the NHL Network will simulcast these productions. NESN may cover some, but they usually do BU and BC. I think I also remember SNY doing a few games. Most of the other casts are independent (B2, internal to school, etc.). The ECAC does have one of the three current D-1 teams that has a winning record against Michigan.
I don't know any of the other stats without further research, which I do not have time to do.Oh, and how many times has the CCHA pulled off an undefeated and un-tied season?
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Red Till I'm Dead!
I am not a COMMIE!!!
Re: Is the CCHA the ECAC of the West?
So wouldn't she float?
Monty Python, gotta love it
So wouldn't she float?
Monty Python, gotta love it
Re: Is the CCHA the ECAC of the West?
She's a witch!!! Burn her!!! Burn her!!!So wouldn't she float?
Monty Python, gotta love it
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: Is the CCHA the ECAC of the West?
I fart in your general direction! Now run away, you Techie kaaaaaaaniggit!
I fart in your general direction! Now run away, you Techie kaaaaaaaniggit!
Re: Is the CCHA the ECAC of the West?
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but parts of Cornell are absolutely "public university". I've been associated with Cornell a long time and they don't advertise it much, and indeed many try to hide it, but that's the reality. E.g., see
http://www.suny.edu/student/campuses_complete_list.cfm
and check out the list under "C". You can even find it with a Google search for "SUNY Cornell".
I never understood why Cornell was so sensitive about this. There is no shame in being a public university. (And one of the other issues on campus there is that the faculty are on different pay scales depending on whether they are part of the "public" or the "endowed" colleges. That's probably part of the issue creating a kind of two-tiered perception there.) Regardless, Cornell is a great University and would probably be perceived as even greater if they just stopped trying to tell everyone how great they really are!
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but parts of Cornell are absolutely "public university". I've been associated with Cornell a long time and they don't advertise it much, and indeed many try to hide it, but that's the reality. E.g., see
http://www.suny.edu/student/campuses_complete_list.cfm
and check out the list under "C". You can even find it with a Google search for "SUNY Cornell".
I never understood why Cornell was so sensitive about this. There is no shame in being a public university. (And one of the other issues on campus there is that the faculty are on different pay scales depending on whether they are part of the "public" or the "endowed" colleges. That's probably part of the issue creating a kind of two-tiered perception there.) Regardless, Cornell is a great University and would probably be perceived as even greater if they just stopped trying to tell everyone how great they really are!
Re: Is the CCHA the ECAC of the West?
The ECAC 'could' have had a national title in 2003 if not for a ridiculously horrible call on Cornell (whom I can't stand) vs. UNH in the semifinal. I doubt they could have beaten Minnesota that year but it would have been an interesting game.
I think someone needs to start a thread called "Are you Smarter than a Hockey East fan?" They can make fun of the ECAC, CCHA, etc, but their fans have to be the largest collection of fools on the planet. I love posting in their threads because of how funny and idiotic their responses are.
The ECAC 'could' have had a national title in 2003 if not for a ridiculously horrible call on Cornell (whom I can't stand) vs. UNH in the semifinal. I doubt they could have beaten Minnesota that year but it would have been an interesting game.
I think someone needs to start a thread called "Are you Smarter than a Hockey East fan?" They can make fun of the ECAC, CCHA, etc, but their fans have to be the largest collection of fools on the planet. I love posting in their threads because of how funny and idiotic their responses are.
Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Re: Is the CCHA the ECAC of the West?
Well, I agree Cornell got screwed and would have won that semifinal game if that goal was allowed. That being said, no way they beat Minnesota. Of course... it would obviously have been a much closer game!
If you edited this to exclude BC fans from the other HE fans, I'd be more inclined to give you a little positive rep. That being said, I feel sorry for someone who has to root for Brown hockey. That's almost as bad as having to root for St. Lawrence.
Well, I agree Cornell got screwed and would have won that semifinal game if that goal was allowed. That being said, no way they beat Minnesota. Of course... it would obviously have been a much closer game!
If you edited this to exclude BC fans from the other HE fans, I'd be more inclined to give you a little positive rep. That being said, I feel sorry for someone who has to root for Brown hockey. That's almost as bad as having to root for St. Lawrence.
Re: Is the CCHA the ECAC of the West?
Question for you, since you seem to know: are Cornell Ag School professors employees of the state of NY, or are they employees of Cornell University? Are they eligible for state employee pensions and health care plans? I'm not 100% sure of the answers, but I think they are employees of Cornell and not eligible for those state benefits. I'm not sure why it would be so surprising that the different colleges would have different pay scales - I'm sure that this must be true at essentially all universities, public and private. I'd be shocked if you could find a school that pays its med and law school professors (or even engineering or business) on the same scale as its poetry department.
I'm not at all sensitive (nor did I say anything about how great Cornell is) - I just like to be precise.Sorry to beat a dead horse, but parts of Cornell are absolutely "public university". I've been associated with Cornell a long time and they don't advertise it much, and indeed many try to hide it, but that's the reality. E.g., see
http://www.suny.edu/student/campuses_complete_list.cfm
and check out the list under "C". You can even find it with a Google search for "SUNY Cornell".
I never understood why Cornell was so sensitive about this. There is no shame in being a public university. (And one of the other issues on campus there is that the faculty are on different pay scales depending on whether they are part of the "public" or the "endowed" colleges. That's probably part of the issue creating a kind of two-tiered perception there.) Regardless, Cornell is a great University and would probably be perceived as even greater if they just stopped trying to tell everyone how great they really are!
Question for you, since you seem to know: are Cornell Ag School professors employees of the state of NY, or are they employees of Cornell University? Are they eligible for state employee pensions and health care plans? I'm not 100% sure of the answers, but I think they are employees of Cornell and not eligible for those state benefits. I'm not sure why it would be so surprising that the different colleges would have different pay scales - I'm sure that this must be true at essentially all universities, public and private. I'd be shocked if you could find a school that pays its med and law school professors (or even engineering or business) on the same scale as its poetry department.
Re: Is the CCHA the ECAC of the West?
Sorry, that wasn't aimed at you in particular. There just seem to be an inordinate number of "insecure" Cornell folks, when they have every reason to be very secure.
Don't know about the Profs. benefits with regard to State employees, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is the same as at the other SUNYs. I'm pretty sure staff employees have some state benefits. Regardless, I do think they are all considered CU employees.
On the pay scale, it's a wholesale shift between the endowed and state colleges, not just a department by department thing (which of course happens everywhere). E.g. A Bio Prof. in Ag & Life sciences (state/contract) is most likely getting more than one in Arts & Sciences (endowed). I haven't seen the numbers recently, but I recall the difference being pretty dramatic. With the two completely separate budgets and state budget constraints on one of them, this kind of discrepancy is bound to happen. (Here's a link to an article from 2002 where the difference was about 21%!! http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/April02/faculty.salaries.jkp.html)
All that said ... I certainly wouldn't be ashamed to be a Prof. in the Ag. school or Vet school at CU ... I'd just be paid more in one of the endowed colleges!
Edit: Got curious and actually, yes the contract college employees get state benefits. http://hr.cornell.edu/benefits/retirement/
Sorry, that wasn't aimed at you in particular. There just seem to be an inordinate number of "insecure" Cornell folks, when they have every reason to be very secure.
Don't know about the Profs. benefits with regard to State employees, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is the same as at the other SUNYs. I'm pretty sure staff employees have some state benefits. Regardless, I do think they are all considered CU employees.
On the pay scale, it's a wholesale shift between the endowed and state colleges, not just a department by department thing (which of course happens everywhere). E.g. A Bio Prof. in Ag & Life sciences (state/contract) is most likely getting more than one in Arts & Sciences (endowed). I haven't seen the numbers recently, but I recall the difference being pretty dramatic. With the two completely separate budgets and state budget constraints on one of them, this kind of discrepancy is bound to happen. (Here's a link to an article from 2002 where the difference was about 21%!! http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/April02/faculty.salaries.jkp.html)
All that said ... I certainly wouldn't be ashamed to be a Prof. in the Ag. school or Vet school at CU ... I'd just be paid more in one of the endowed colleges!
Edit: Got curious and actually, yes the contract college employees get state benefits. http://hr.cornell.edu/benefits/retirement/
Re: Is the CCHA the ECAC of the West?
Nothing is worse than rooting for SLUt. Their fans are dumb enough to think they can win something of significance someday. Brown fans go to Meehan expecting nothing yet still leave disappointed.
Nothing is worse than rooting for SLUt. Their fans are dumb enough to think they can win something of significance someday. Brown fans go to Meehan expecting nothing yet still leave disappointed.