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Irish hockey '10-11-Everyone bets on a sure thing, but it takes guts not to fold.

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Oddly, USCHO's version of the PWR has Notre Dame 10th, but CHN's version has them 12th. Shouldn't they be the same? Makes me wonder which one forgot about the mid-season return to old calculations. Which one is correct? 12th is too much of a bubble that could easily burst. 10th is solid. Granted the tourney is nearly 2 months off and I am leery about counting chickens...
 
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Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres. said:
Oddly, USCHO's version of the PWR has Notre Dame 10th, but CHN's version has them 12th. Shouldn't they be the same? Makes me wonder which one forgot about the mid-season return to old calculations. Which one is correct? 12th is too much of a bubble that could easily burst. 10th is solid. Granted the tourney is nearly 2 months off and I am leery about counting chickens...
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There is always some confusion with the PWR between the sites that post such information. I think all but one site have updated their pages to reflect the new RPI over .500 rule, but I think at least one site some of us check from time to time still breaks ties when two or more teams have won the same number of comparisons by who wins the comparison, instead of who has the higher RPI, which is the proper tie-break. Some sites have us with 22 comparisons won, others have it at 21. Without looking at each one, I'm not sure why they are different.

We still control our own destiny of course as far as the tournament, as well as probably getting in as high as a high 2 seed. Of course if those chickens lay the same kinds of eggs they did last year around this time, the season can still end sometime in the middle of March.
 
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Per my comment on NDN regarding the same issue, USCHO is not counting Merrimack's TUC edge over us because the Warriors have fewer than ten games against TUCs. I haven't seen any other discrepancies between CHN and USCHO PWR.
 
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IrishHockeyFan said:
Ridderwall may not accept your marriage proposal if you keep letting our opponents have the inside scoop on his injuries. ;) All kidding aside, sometimes there are reasons the team is a bit cagey with the media regarding particulars of injuries. No sense in letting Bowling Green know he may not be available or Ferris State know they should prepare to have him on the ice. Our hockey players are usually pretty accommodating with the fans, but sometimes its a good idea to ask if their injury news is for public consumption yet. Its generally acceptable on boards like this that don't focus on any one team, but on team specific sites, such as NDNation, the board ops may even delete such posts. I don't mean to discourage you from posting here and welcome the growing Notre Dame fan base on USCHO, and I am certainly no USCHO board moderator and have no right to tell you what to post, but sometimes a little misdirection with regards to specifics on injuries is the proper course of action. Sometimes the tone of a post fails to come through in just words on a screen and I don't mean to be a jerk about this, just something to consider.
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Before everyone jumps the gun any further, 2 weeks meant that he missed the Saturday game and we are off next weekend. So, the 2 weeks I mentioned would be over by the time Bowling Green came to town (I am sorry if this was not clearly stated in my previous post) which means him playing or not playing should not effect any team's preparation. With that being said, a team should come prepared for any player to play or not to play. When the coaches exchange rosters for the weekend is when both coaches truly know who is playing and who is not. Why would a coach read, yet alone believe, anything on a forum like this? It could be taken the other way as well: we say he will be out for 2 weeks and then SURPRISE! - he's really going to play. Assumptions get you no where in life.

I would also like to state that I am not a part of the "new ND fanbase". I have been coming to ND hockey since I can remember, resulting in season tickets on and off from the age of 4 and consistently for the past 5 years. Using my age for or against me is not appreciated.
 
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I'll be the arbiter here to avoid hurt feelings amongst our brethren... and then let's move on.

The request to not post about injuries isn't really about whether a team prepares for an opponent with or without a specific player. It is more about injuries discussed, then noticed by the staff of an upcoming opponent (and, yes, they troll these sites looking for info on injuries), then reported back to their team to exploit. It is more about the safety of the injured player rather than the drills a coaching staff draws up for practice.

If anyone wants a more specific explanation, e-mail me and I'll tell you privately about said risks. If not, let's get back to hockey, the PWR, the tourney and how much we loathe Miami. ;) Or Michigan. :p Or Ferris. :rolleyes: Whatever.
 
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So I was enjoying the snow day yesterday, thinking about what some players could accomplish this season and trying to take a stab at an educated guess about the remaining regular season games.

T.J. Tynan could make several lists this season, especially if ND makes it beyond the first round (or 2nd, assuming they earn a bye). His 21 assists is only 9 shy of tying Brian Walsh for 30 in a season. Nice company. Ryan Guentzel is even closer with 24 assists thus far. With a long run by the team, Guentzel also stands to make a run at the assists by position in a season (39). Both Tynan and Anders Lee are a mere 7 goals away from making the list for goals in a season (each has 18 right now). It will be very hard, but not impossible should ND make a long run with lots of scoring, for Tynan to come close to Dave Poulin's long-standing record for points by a freshman (59). Tynan needs 20 more. Lee needs just one more GWG to add his name to that list for the season. He would join such names as Christian Hanson, Poulin, Ryan Thang and current teammates Ben Ryan and Calle Ridderwall. A couple more would push him ahead in line. ;)

Speaking of Ryan and Ridderwall, both are approaching the century scoring mark. Ryan needs only 5 more points to join that club. Ridderwall may need some puck luck and a deep run, but he is only 15 points shy of that mark. Given that he had only 7 points as a freshman, being within sight of 100 now is remarkable. Joe Lavin, Sam Calabrese and Tynan each need just one more shortie to make the season list.

While I'm tooting horns, not much has been tooted about Jeff Costello. Given all the tire pumping of Lee and Tynan, no one has noticed that Costello is tied for the team lead (the other player being Lee) with 5 PPG's so far. Ridderwall has 4 so far, moving him into sole possession of 5th place on the all-time list. Just 3 more PPG's gives him 4th, 7 more would give him sole possession of 2nd on the career PPG list. First place is virtually untouchable (Greg Meredith had 43 career PPG's).

Looking at possibilites for the regular season has me realizing we need to root for Miami to sweep Michigan this weekend. If Michigan takes even 1 point, it gets harder for ND to have an off night and still finish first. Not impossible, but more difficult. Miami, Michigan and ND all play WMU in this last month of play. When was the last time anyone ever thought WMU would be a scary opponent?! They stand an outside chance of finishing in 1st. They likely will get one of the first round byes at least. Personally, I love that UA(F) and Western are extremely competitive. I just hate it when they beat my team. :o:p:rolleyes:

So there you have it. Six games left in the regular season. Lots of possibilities for individual records. Root for Miami.
 
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Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres. said:
It will be very hard, but not impossible should ND make a long run with lots of scoring, for Tynan to come close to Dave Poulin's long-standing record for points by a freshman (59). Tynan needs 20 more.
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Not that this is any knock on our goaltending, but for Notre Dame TO make any kind of a long run, there probably will need to be lots of scoring. OK, it is a little bit of a knock...:cool:
 
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Huh. Well, not that anyone else cares (hence the stab at a private e-mail), but Mike McNeil is having his beginner clinics and they're coming up soon. You need the gear and if you don't know how to dress, allow 30 minutes for someone to help. The clinics are at the Ice Box and you can attend one, several or all if you want. $10 each session. The first 2 deal w/skating, the middle ones deal w/puck handling and the last 2 deal w/game situations. They are all an hour and a half long. There are usually 20-40 newbies (and some not-so-newbies) who attend.

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Thank you very much for the info. If I can find time around school and stuff I will for sure take advantage of this.
 
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This is one of those weekend matchups I dread. On paper, Notre Dame should beat BG by a score of 43-1 both nights. But hockey isn't played on paper. BG gave ND a rude welcome a few months ago in Ohio. If ND loses either, or heaven forbid, both games this weekend, they can kiss 1st place bye-bye. It seems lately that the Irish are playing at the level of their opponent, which is good if you're playing Miami, bad if you're playing the last place team. Bowling Green has very little to play for, except to play the part of spoiler, as they can't get higher than 10th. The Irish have everything to play for.

BG had been splitting time in net between Nick Eno (who was in net for the win against ND in November) and Andrew Hammond, but Hammond (2.74 GA, .909 save %) has been in net for the last 3 games. The only injury I know of is to freshman Jake Sloat, who will not play. Coach Bergeron sang Hammond's praise in his press conference this week, so I assume he will continue in net until his praises are silenced. Aside from wins and losses, Hammond and Mike Johnson (2.63, .902) have very similar numbers. Given that Steven Summerhays played against Miami, I wonder if we will see 2 different goalies for the Irish this weekend.

Sophomore Jordan Samuels-Thomas is BG's top guy with 18 points. T.J. Tynan and Anders Lee each have 18 goals. Freshman Chad Sumsion is BG's top PPG scorer with 4. Lee and Jeff Costello each have 5 extra-man tallies.

BG is 1-2-1 in their last 4 games, while ND is 1-1-2. A little too similar for comfort. BG averages 1.93 GF while giving up 3.03. ND averages 3.67 while giving up 2.83. BG's PP is abyssmal at 9.6%, but they have a decent PK at 81.5%. ND's PP is finally decent at 17%, while their PK is foundering at 83.8%.

This weekend we're bringing a couple of substitute posse members, so I hope ND gives them something to cheer about; although, it wouldn't surprise me if Friday's posse sub yells, "Touchdown!" if ND scores a goal. :rolleyes:

We rate ability in men by what they finish, not by what they attempt.
 
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Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres. said:
This is one of those weekend matchups I dread. On paper, Notre Dame should beat BG by a score of 43-1 both nights. But hockey isn't played on paper. BG gave ND a rude welcome a few months ago in Ohio. If ND loses either, or heaven forbid, both games this weekend, they can kiss 1st place bye-bye. It seems lately that the Irish are playing at the level of their opponent, which is good if you're playing Miami, bad if you're playing the last place team. Bowling Green has very little to play for, except to play the part of spoiler, as they can't get higher than 10th. The Irish have everything to play for.
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Should Notre Dame come up short twice this weekend, not only will they kiss a CCHA title goodbye, but they would likely need to win the CCHA tournament in Detroit to even make the NCAAs. Losing either of these games hurts us far more than winning both would help, as far as NCAA chances, pairwise numbers, and all of that.
 
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Why can't things be as easy as they were 2 seasons ago? Oh well at least this should be interesting. Lets just hope that it is going to be the good interesting. Also I'm not a professor of the pairwise or anything but if ND can win the season championship are we good from there on out for the NCAA's or would we have to do some damage in the playoffs as well? Just trying to figure out the situations that we are looking at here, hopefully resulting in us playing in either St Louis or Green Bay come late march
 
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SwedishJustice22 said:
Also I'm not a professor of the pairwise or anything but if ND can win the season championship are we good from there on out for the NCAA's or would we have to do some damage in the playoffs as well? Just trying to figure out the situations that we are looking at here, hopefully resulting in us playing in either St Louis or Green Bay come late march
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There really isn't a set idea as far as winning the regular season title. One would think that to do so we'd have to have a pretty good finish over the final 6 games, as no one would expect MU, WMU, or UM to all go on season ending losing streaks, and if that were to be how it plays out, we'd probably be OK. Theoretically though, we could win the regular season with just a win or two over the final 3 weeks. Were that to happen, we'd need to do something in the CCHA tournament. Remember, the only automatic bid any conference gets is the one given to their tournament champ. Chances are only the regular season winner of Atlantic Hockey will not be ranked high enough in the pairwise to make it in on the strength of their regular season, but there are no guarantees.
 
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Question to all. If you win the season championship doesn't that give you home ice advantage (even on neutral venues) for the playoffs? In college hockey do you still get the last change and what are the rules with icing, can you change after having been assessed one? Thanks in advanced to any replies.
 
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Irish83 said:
Question to all. If you win the season championship doesn't that give you home ice advantage (even on neutral venues) for the playoffs? In college hockey do you still get the last change and what are the rules with icing, can you change after having been assessed one? Thanks in advanced to any replies.
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Yes, in the tournaments (conference and NCAA), the better seed is always the nominal home team, with the concurrent advantages of last change and on face-offs.

No, it doesn't change what happens with icing. The team that ices is still not allowed to change.
 
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Thanks Craig- Just by watching the games this year, Miami and Michigan utilize last change more than ND. JJ seems to use 4 lines the whole game and doesn't match lines during the game. Will he change his approach post season?
 
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Irish83 said:
Thanks Craig- Just by watching the games this year, Miami and Michigan utilize last change more than ND. JJ seems to use 4 lines the whole game and doesn't match lines during the game. Will he change his approach post season?
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I think Jackson DOES match lines when he can, but it is dependent on the circumstances. He is a firm believer in the benefit of last change. But we're a fairly deep team, in terms of goal production and forward lines taking care of their own end defensively, so he's going to use four lines as much as anyone. It helps our guys stay fresh, and only MU has scored more third period goals than Notre Dame in the CCHA.
 
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They do stick to a 4 line rotation throughout the game which has worked out great.The teams mention will 2x shift their top lines. Watching Miami last week and against ND #17 seemed to out there the whole 3rd period.IMO Coach JJ does an excellant job by NOT following the other coach's lead and continues with his rotation. I agree that ND is very deep up front my hope is he does't change late in the season.
 
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