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Inception

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The top was Mal's totem. It continued to spin if she was in her dream, so Dom spinning it only told him that he wasn't in her dream. Any time it fell over, he might still have been in his own dream, or anyone else's.
 
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Someone provided this rep in response to my last Inception post in the movies thread.

he has spent countless years in dreams, which could only be a couple days in the real world, so the kids could easily not have aged at all
For reasons that would probably take several paragraphs to explain properly, I'm not sure about this.

This assumes that Cobb has been in limbo (thus the kids are in real life, not aging), and the entirety of the film takes place in dreamspace until some point in between the airplane and the final scene. This involves some sort of transition from dreamspace to reality that we don't see or have any hint of, unless there's something about the airport scenes that I am missing. Honestly, that would be a huge cheat. On that not even M. Night Shyamalan would do.

Before we go into this further, maybe it would be easier to try to break this down further: Accept the movie at face value and try to categorize what "dream level" we are in the whole time.

N: The airplane, Mombasa, the warehouse/training facility, all of the "planning the heist" scenese every scene involving Michael Caine.

N+1: The rainy city, the city with the fiery explosions, all of Ellen Paige's training dreams, the dreams Cobb goes to to revisit memories of Mal

N+2: The hotel, the Saito's elegant party where we first see Mal,

N+3: The snow fortress

N+4 (or is it in limbo?): The city that Cobb and Mal built, Cobb meets Old Saito

Who knows?/In Limbo: Most of the Cobb/Mal memories that happened in dreamspace.

Reality could be N. Or it could be N-1, N-2 or N-178, etc.
 
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First off, I would argue something similar to that rep, except that I would acknowledge that some time has past, though maybe not enough for his kids to have appreciably aged.

I'm pretty sure (though not 100% - that will require additional viewings) that the kids' clothing is different at the end than in earlier scenes.

N+4 is pretty obviously Limbo - Fischer is there, and wouldn't be in Dom's next level dream.

My point about the totem is that the entire movie (the N level EoDS describes below) could be Dom's dream. If you believe the top doesn't stop at the end, that is a different level (N-1?), and is Mal's dream (or Limbo).
 
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But it would seem, by his desperation to get home that he has been on the run for a while. Even a year at that age would make the kids look very different. I just dont buy that a few days have gone by, not if Cobb was willing to risk everything to get back to his kids.

I am of two minds on this...on one hand I think everything, the entire movie, was one long dream in which Cobb was trying to get back home in his mind. I mean depending on the level of the dream he could spend decades down there with no real time passing in the real world which would explain why the kids havent aged. Basically, I think after Mal died he snapped and retreated into the dream but couldnt get out. He then constructs this entire elaborate scheme to finally take steps to not only get past Mal, but to wake himself as well. That explains why everything works out so well and why it seemed to take no time to really train Ellen Paige or construct a perfect Inception Plan, which is supposed to be impossible anyways. That is why the kids didnt age, why he was able to go home with no trouble and why we got the happy ending...almost.

On the other hand, part of me thinks he is still stuck in his dream, and he might want to be.
 
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I can't believe Darth Vadar was Leo's dad!

(oh wait, wrong thread)

He was dreaming. My 2 cents...
 
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I'm pretty sure it's deliberately ambiguous and there is no definitive answer. There are dozens of precursors that Nolan is more or less explicitly referencing. Nested dreams and labyrinths are everywhere in literature, from Poe to Borges.
 
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Saw this on Friday. Ho. Ly. Crap!!! Leonardo DiCaprio is HOTT![/Paris Hilton] Totally grew into his looks. ;)

Oh, the movie? I liked it. Didn't love it. They kinda lost me in the middle of it. But I did my best to follow. And in my world, the top fell at the end dammit.
 
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After thinking about it for a while I do agree it was overrated. It was very very good don't get me wrong, but the middle is kind of painfully long. The last half hour is so great though it offsets it.
 
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I know this is a cliche'd criticism, but the main problem for me was that I just didn't care. When the movie ended, I didn't say "OMFG, what just happened?!?" I said "OK, that was kind of cool . . . where're we going for drinks?"
 
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I know this is a cliche'd criticism, but the main problem for me was that I just didn't care. When the movie ended, I didn't say "OMFG, what just happened?!?" I said "OK, that was kind of cool . . . where're we going for drinks?"

I cared about the Japanese guy. I agree that DiCaprio's character has all the sympathy value of a mannequin, but the thing about the movie I lurve is the ideas. Also, I've pretty much given up on caring about any lead created by an actor* or actress now working. :p

(* lifetime exemption granted to Philip Seymour Hoffman)
 
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Seeing it the second time in IMAX was far more enjoyable. What a film. Kepler's on to something about loving the ideas the film brought out.

For what it's worth, I did give a crap about Leo's character. :o
 
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Hmmm. Maybe my reaction says more about my love of drink versus my appreciation of film...

But I don't feel like engaging in that sort of self-reflection.

*pours self dram of scotch
 
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He was fantastic...and that is high praise because I usually cant stand him.

Same here. I was constantly thinking "How is this the kid from Angels in the Outfield and 3rd Rock from the Sun? How is this the giant doosh from 10 Things I Hate About You?" Although I found myself wondering the latter a lot in the Dark Knight as well.
 
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Good movie, but with big holes that people won't care to hear because it'll sound like I hated the movie when I thought it was rather enjoyable.
 
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