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In comes Fraser! In comes Fraser

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Simon Fraser University became the first institution outside the United States to enter the NCAA membership process after the Division II Membership Committee accepted the institution’s application during a July 7-9 meeting in Indianapolis.

Simon Fraser, located in Burnaby, British Columbia, will begin a two-year candidacy period September 1. Prospective members also must complete at least one year of provisional status before being accepted as full-time Division II members, meaning the Canadian institution could become an active Division II member by fall 2012.

The NCAA Executive Committee approved a 10-year pilot program in 2007 to allow the Association to explore the idea, and Division II delegates overwhelmingly approved legislation at the 2008 Convention to open the door to its northern neighbors.

“We’re excited about having Simon Fraser working toward joining a unique group of institutions that have strong values and are continuously striving to enhance what it means to be a Division II member,” said Division II Vice President Mike Racy.

Simon Fraser has explored potential membership in the Great Northwest Athletic Conference, composed primarily of members with which Simon Fraser already has established competitive rivalries. Conference members include Alaska Anchorage, Alaska Fairbanks, Central Washington, Montana State Billings, Northwest Nazarene, Saint Martin’s, Seattle Pacific, Western Oregon and Western Washington.

“No one would dispute that the highest level of intercollegiate sport in North America is played at the NCAA, and that’s where we want to be,” Athletics Director David Murphy told Champion magazine in January. “We’re a Division II fit in philosophy, with our emphasis on student-athlete balance, facilities and level of athletics competition.”

Simon Fraser was one of several institutions whose applications for Division II membership were selected this week. Others will be announced later Friday.
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Questions:
If they're going to play ice hockey, where do they play? Can they move up to D-1 in hockey and leave everything else @ D2?

Do games against SFU count as exempt contests?
 
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I think there is still a moratorium on moving up, so they would have to remain in Division II. Therefore, the most likely option for now would be for them to play Division III competition until they are able to move up. I think they can move up in 2011, but I'm not certain on that.

Unless the NCAA does something different, I would think that games against Simon Fraser (assuming that they play D-III) would count against the 25-game limit, but would not be counted towards the regional rankings, similiar to what happened with Minnesota-Crookston here in the west, and other D-II schools out east.
 
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How much of a lure would it be for DII and DIII Canadian prospects to stay at home and get an education? I know it would be huge if Fraser was a scholorship level hockey program.
 
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MikeAnderson said:
SFU will be a perfect fit in the GNAC. Congrats to them.
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SFU used to play those schools at the time back in the day when they were all NAIA schools. From what I heard, it was a pretty good small school league back then. Its just problems started when the private schools in that league all left the NAIA and formed a D3 league and told the Publics to bugger off. And then they wonder why they couldn't find as many teams for everybody to play all close by.
 
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I believe the NCAA allows schools at the D2 level to play one men's and one women's sport at the D1 level. That's why UBC is also interested in joining the NCAA at the D2 level for all other sports - as long as hockey can play D1.
 
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hkycoch said:
I believe the NCAA allows schools at the D2 level to play one men's and one women's sport at the D1 level. That's why UBC is also interested in joining the NCAA at the D2 level for all other sports - as long as hockey can play D1.
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Right, but as of right now, no D2 school could move just one sport like Hockey up a division. And from what I've heard, the NCAA is going to be coming up with a bunch of new regulations to keep schools that had no business in going from D2 to D1 like Savannah State and New Jersey Tech from moving up that are going to make it hard for any other D2 or D3 schools from moving a single sport like Hockey up to D1. :rolleyes:
 
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Guess the NCAA reads this (and the D-1) forum.......
Membership panel confirms policies for Canadian applicants

Jul 13, 2009 9:22:32 AM
By Gary Brown
The NCAA News

In addition to determining the status of institutions progressing through the membership process, the Division II Membership Committee approved a policy requiring Canadian institutions applying for Division II membership to follow NCAA rules in all varsity sports, even those for which an NCAA championship is not offered.

The issue pertains primarily to ice hockey, for which Division II does not offer a championship but which many Canadian institutions sponsor. Current NCAA legislation (Constitution 3.2.4.4) applies NCAA bylaws and other legislation to any sport the institution sponsors as “varsity.”

At least one Canadian school considering NCAA membership has asked whether its men’s ice hockey program would be subject to NCAA requirements even though there isn’t a Division II championship and there currently is no opportunity for a Canadian institution to sponsor a sport at the NCAA Division I level.

The Membership Committee reviewed the matter but eventually agreed that any sport classified as varsity must meet the rules and regulations of that division regardless of whether that sport has access to an NCAA championship.

The action became necessary when the Division II membership at the 2008 Convention facilitated NCAA membership from Canadian schools. Division II is the only division to have taken advantage of an NCAA Executive Committee-approved pilot program to consider four-year Canadian institutions as potential NCAA members.

Simon Fraser, located in Burnaby, British Columbia, officially applied for Division II membership this year and will enter year one of the candidacy period September 1. Simon Fraser does not sponsor ice hockey.

The Membership Committee also approved another matter pertaining to prospective Canadian members, which is when and under what circumstances Canadian institutions are required to convert their financial figures to United States dollars to confirm whether those institutions are complying with Title IX and EADA reporting requirements.

Committee members voted to require Canadian institutions to convert their expenditures from Canadian to United States dollars on May 1 (using the conversion rate published by the United States Treasury) for the purpose of reporting expenditures on their athletics teams.

In other action at the Membership Committee’s July 7-9 meeting, members:

•Noted that the deadline for applications from prospective member institutions will change over the next two years. The usual June 1 deadline will be in place for 2010 but will change to December 1 afterward. That allows for two deadlines in 2010 (June 1 and December 1), and the Membership Committee will review applications at its July 2010 and February 2011 meetings.

•Voted to require institutions in the membership process to file applications and annual reports electronically in addition to submitting a hard copy to the national office.

•Approved a request from Hawaii-Hilo to waive the two-year reclassification period for moving its baseball team from Division I to Division II.
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bigmrg74 said:
SFU used to play those schools at the time back in the day when they were all NAIA schools. From what I heard, it was a pretty good small school league back then. Its just problems started when the private schools in that league all left the NAIA and formed a D3 league and told the Publics to bugger off. And then they wonder why they couldn't find as many teams for everybody to play all close by.
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I'm a WWU grad (BA, '68) and remembered WWU playing SFU in FB ( :( ). I always wondered what happened to the Evergreen Conference.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
In that case then, I should pass you along this link. Absolute screw job what Sheppard there did to the football team back in January.

http://www.savewwufootball.com/
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Unfortunately, I was aware of this.

The one question I have had about WWU's affiliations has been why D2 when they left the NAIA? Why not DI like Eastern or DIII. DII has always seemed like a nowhere kind of status - not top flight athletics, but not academically oriented either. DII football is a tough sell to recruits. But I hate the loss of tradition
 
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NUProf said:
Unfortunately, I was aware of this.

The one question I have had about WWU's affiliations has been why D2 when they left the NAIA? Why not DI like Eastern or DIII. DII has always seemed like a nowhere kind of status - not top flight athletics, but not academically oriented either. DII football is a tough sell to recruits. But I hate the loss of tradition
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Prof,
Good to have you back on this site the last few days. Missed your comments. You must have had a nice long vacation after retirement.
 
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NUProf said:
Unfortunately, I was aware of this.

The one question I have had about WWU's affiliations has been why D2 when they left the NAIA? Why not DI like Eastern or DIII. DII has always seemed like a nowhere kind of status - not top flight athletics, but not academically oriented either. DII football is a tough sell to recruits. But I hate the loss of tradition
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Well the one problem with Western Washington going D1-AA right now like how Eastern Washington is would be that it would cost them roughly another 10 million more a year just to put your name on the ESPN Ticker. And that estimate is pretty much the same even if they went the D1-AA nonscholorship route as well. Remember, D1-AA is just a subdivision for football, but the rest of your athletic department is D1, and you're going up against schools like Washington, Washington State, and Gonzaga for athletes for their other sports. And more often than not, you're going to be traveling a lot of the time to some other Big Name State School for a paycheck game to get thumped on, but that's not going to cover all of your expenses. Sure, there's always the siren call of being like Gonzaga, a school that what, 10 or 12 years ago nobody had ever heard of until they had their final four runs, but the reason why Gonzaga is special now is because its Freaking hard to be able to put together a run like what they've had to the point where they're now considered to be a major basketball power from a mid major conference.

And probably the reason why the rest of the public schools from the NAIA Evergreen Conference didn't go D3 is because most of the private schools took their ball with them when they all went D3 together and told the public's that they didn't want to play them any more. Little did they all realise just how much that would screw em all in scheduling and travel when they were just totally cutting out a couple of schools that where a short drive away from them and going east of the Rockies often to find other D3's to play. That ended up leading to several schools there dropping football. And also at the time, there was a fairly decent D2 conference in California that was fairly decent at football. Its just now most of those schools ended up either moving up to D1, or dropping the sport all together because of Title IX problems.
 
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NUProf said:
I'm a WWU grad (BA, '68) and remembered WWU playing SFU in FB ( :( ). I always wondered what happened to the Evergreen Conference.
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New question: How long until Canadian Football is added as an emerging sport for the spring season? I mean, they already pushed through sand volleyball*. :D

* Before a bunch of namby-pambys blocked it.
 
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NUProf said:
6 weeks in Europe
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Europe, among the discrete possibilities, is this;) Seriously, it is nice to have you back on the forum and congradulations (VT spelling) on your retirement, 1980 the year of the miracle on ice, doesn't seem 29 years ago to me:eek: :eek:
 
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