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Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

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WeWantMore said:
Our border fence works great. Just great.
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The next video "the other side of immigration" only confirms my beleif that we should do more to stop illegal immigration. I don't want to support a corrupt mexican government. I can barely support the corrupt one I have now.
 
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Gunmen kill one ICE agent and wound another in Mexico. Reports are the gunmen knew who they were killing. The story also says that ICE agents aren't allowed to carry weapons in Mexico, so our agents have to run around defenseless whenever they are across the border in Mexico. This whole thing just gets more disfunctional by the minute.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/02/16/20110216mexico-ICE-agent-killed-questions.html


Foxton, figure it out yourself.
 
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unofan said:
I guess I'd ask why our immigration agents are in Mexico to begin with. I'd also ask how stupid do you have to be to voluntarily agree to go into what is essentially no-man's land unarmed.
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My understanding, from the articles I've read, is that we have ICE agents regularly in Mexico to coordinate various border/immigration efforts with Mexican authorities. Seems logical if it can be done safely, which this event and others certainly call into question. I agree that it's idiotic to have these guys down there unarmed. If the Mexicans can't protect our agents and our agents aren't allowed to protect themselves, then we should pull them all out of Mexico.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Annex Mexico. Problem solved.
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We already have an uneducated, violent, indolent welfare state in the Deep South.

Or is the idea to make that look better by comparison by annexing an even worse Deeper South? :)
 
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Kepler said:
We already have an uneducated, violent, indolent welfare state in the Deep South.

Or is the idea to make that look better by comparison by annexing an even worse Deeper South? :)
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Wisconsin is in the north :confused:
 
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Bob Gray said:
Gunmen kill one ICE agent and wound another in Mexico. Reports are the gunmen knew who they were killing. The story also says that ICE agents aren't allowed to carry weapons in Mexico, so our agents have to run around defenseless whenever they are across the border in Mexico. This whole thing just gets more disfunctional by the minute.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/02/16/20110216mexico-ICE-agent-killed-questions.html


Foxton, figure it out yourself.
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Just a matter of time something happens on our side of the border and something big... military vehicles crossing the borders for years, etc, etc. IIRC, I believe standing policy is to avoid such an issue at all costs... lest we become aware of the problem at a very real level.

I'm surprised that the ICE agents would feel comfortable on Mexican roads given all the killings, shady or otherwise, throughout Mexico.
 
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Jan Brewer lets Obama have it for pulling the National Guard troops off the border less than a year after they were deployed. Smart move by Obama to bring this out when so much attention is fixed on Japan, Libya, etc.

http://http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2011/03/16/20110316national-guard-leaving-border-in-june.html

But, hey, Napolitano says the border is safer than ever, so who needs help on the border? The wife and I went down the Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument the other weekend, as she'd never seen the cactus down there before. We took the Ajo Mountain loop drive (very nice), in the small part of the monument that hasn't been permanently closed due to border safety concerns. At one point in the drive we come around a corner and there's about a dozen Border Patrol vehicles parked along both sides of the road, but not a soul around the vehicles, so there was obviously something significant going on out in the desert somewhere beyond our vision. We keep driving, and more Border Patrol vehicles come flying down the road at high speed, making you think the significant force already out there apparently needed backup. Never found out what went on that day. But, such is life living in a state where Mexican drug cartels for all practical purposes control large areas of United States soil.
 
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Aw, quit whining about the border. I mean, what's the worst that could happen, you racist?


But in a rare admission, a Justice Department memo and other documents obtained by the San Antonio Express-News say federal authorities know terror suspects are in this country and know who allegedly helped bring them here through Mexico and Texas: a Somali man in custody near San Antonio.

Last year, Houston-area news outlets reported that homeland security issued a vague bulletin to Texas law enforcement to be on the lookout for Mohamed Ali, a purported member of Somalia-based Al-Shabaab, which has aligned itself with al-Qaida and Osama Bin Laden.
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Oh. Well then.
 
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Boy it didn't take long to put this AZ law outlawing ethnic educational programs if they are 'inappropriate' into practice. AZ superintendent has identified a program in Tuscon that he judges 'hateful' or something..and is trying to shut it down or threaten to pull funding.

The trick is that he had an outside independent auditor come in and judge just how bad they the program was prior to his decision. Funny thing is that the audit said "no observable evidence was present to suggest that any classroom within Tucson Unified School District is in direct violation of the law [Arizona Revised Statutes] 15-112(A)." He proceeded to ignore the results and demand the closure of the program anyways.

Unless there's a plan to shut down American history classes or the like, it is safe to assume based on observable facts that racism is being used in AZ on some of these issues.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Boy it didn't take long to put this AZ law outlawing ethnic educational programs if they are 'inappropriate' into practice. AZ superintendent has identified a program in Tuscon that he judges 'hateful' or something..and is trying to shut it down or threaten to pull funding.

The trick is that he had an outside independent auditor come in and judge just how bad they the program was prior to his decision. Funny thing is that the audit said "no observable evidence was present to suggest that any classroom within Tucson Unified School District is in direct violation of the law [Arizona Revised Statutes] 15-112(A)." He proceeded to ignore the results and demand the closure of the program anyways.

Unless there's a plan to shut down American history classes or the like, it is safe to assume based on observable facts that racism is being used in AZ on some of these issues.
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That law was put into place to begin with in full knowledge of the Tucson program, which has been controversial for some time.

And yes, I know you find it safe to assume all sorts of things, so go right ahead. No need to know much about what actually goes on here in Arizona.

I'd expect you to be whining about Alabama, which is the latest to pass illegal immigration laws, and whose laws go well beyond what was passed here in Arizona.
 
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Bob Gray said:
That law was put into place to begin with in full knowledge of the Tucson program, which has been controversial for some time.
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Pretty much a consensus out there that this is stretching what is an arbitrary law to begin with and ignoring any fact basis that might have existed. To me it smells of big govt and it doesn't give much hope that other AZ laws are being approached fairly.

Example...Steve Forbes, Forbes CEO and editor-in-chief, is not exactly a leftie:

Tucson's rejected ethnic studies praised by audit
By AMANDA LEE MYERS , 06.17.11, 02:57 PM EDT
Forbes.com

PHOENIX -- An audit of a controversial ethnic studies program in Tucson paints a dramatically different picture from an announcement by the state's education chief.

Superintendent of Public Instruction John Huppenthal says the ethnic studies program in the Tucson Unified School District is illegal for advocating ethnic solidarity among Latinos and promoting resentment toward white people.

He gave the district two months to make changes or face losing 10 percent of its annual state funding, or about $15 million.

But the audit by Dallas-based Cambium Learning Group effusively praises the program, saying that there was no evidence that it promotes racial resentment.

The audit says that "students are taught to be accepting of multiple ethnicities of people" and that "resentment does not exist in the context of these courses."
 
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