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Kepler said:
It's completely equivalent to compare a handful of adolescents to the President, a third of Congress, and half the Republican party.
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Well, in a perfect world, the code of conduct would just be, "don't be an *** to each other." But that's not going to work. So there's the push and pull of one side being jackoffs, and the other being twitchy little snowflakes. And those sides switch up based on whose ox is being gored.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I didn't hear about either of these, the bombing until a few days ago, when people in my beer group were worried about FedEx searching their illegal beer shipments, and this other shooting until I read your post. I don't even know what a resource officer is, have never heard of that before.

But, I don't read or watch the news, because it seems so pointless and useless. I just deal with my own stuff.
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It's my understanding that "resource" officer is basically a Community Service Officer with a gun (so, kind of a transition to a real patrolling cop), or maybe a real cop with a side job.
Many schools in our metro are real cops that have this side job, though.

And les, you will never totally prevent school shootings, but that Resource Officer DID prevent additional killings by the shooter.
 
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Brenthoven said:
It's my understanding that "resource" officer is basically a Community Service Officer with a gun (so, kind of a transition to a real patrolling cop), or maybe a real cop with a side job.
Many schools in our metro are real cops that have this side job, though.

And les, you will never totally prevent school shootings, but that Resource Officer DID prevent additional killings by the shooter.
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In our town it is an actual police officer that floats between schools.

And I know there will never be total prevention, at least not in our current culture. What irks me is the people flaming on FB saying a)no one is covering it (false) b)congratulating themselves because they are brilliant for thinking arming people is the ultimate answer. It is fvcking insane that we think it is good that someone came to school to shoot it up and someone shot them dead. There literally is nowhere else in the civilized world that this would happen and people would not be shocked. We are so numbed to the shooting in schools our response is no longer OMG someone shot a school up. Now we think- oh, good. The guy was armed and he shot him dead before he could kill anyone else. I repeat. That is fvcking insane.

My Sunday school class wanted to talk about this. They are from 8th-11th grade. Their take was no amount of nice is going to make a mentally ill person not want to shoot anyone. One kid related they had the be nice thing in place. One of the kids they tried to be nice to made a hit list and was expelled. As one of the kids said- sharing your chocolate ice cream ain't going to fix a paranoid schizophrenic (exact quote).

Other gems- they think some teachers are dam scary without arming them. They all would feel in more danger with armed teachers- citing teachers who get angry and yell not being able to control themselves what if they had a gun?

People who are doing this stuff are planning to die. Having an armed person isn't going to deter them. They think they are going to die anyway

The most profound- "All looks good on paper but people who are going to shoot up a school have no remorse. No one thinks about the guy who has to shoot at him and maybe kill him. What about him (the guard)? He has to live with shooting and maybe killing someone for the rest of his life."

What the hell do you say to that?

** the only part of this conversation I had was making sure people didn't talk over each other. I didn't make any suggestions or lead them to thinking a particular way. This was all something they were discussing. They are baffled that adults are so stupid and fall for all the nonsense they do.
 
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I 100% agree it's our culture, not the guns, that is the problem. We can now only limit the damage. More laws MIGHT help that, and I'm willing to compromise a bit, even if I disagree with some of the suggestions for new laws, just to help try and limit that damage. Will it work? I dunno. It could end up worse than we have it now, it could be better.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I 100% agree it's our culture, not the guns, that is the problem. We can now only limit the damage. More laws MIGHT help that, and I'm willing to compromise a bit, even if I disagree with some of the suggestions for new laws, just to help try and limit that damage. Will it work? I dunno. It could end up worse than we have it now, it could be better.
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Not sure how worse could happen but then no one would think we would have one of these a few times a month never mind once a yr. It has been a public health issue since I was in grad school. We were taught to screen just like for lead paint and other safety issues. Now in FLA the pedi can't ask safety questions about guns. Against the law. Yep. Really. I am so glad the kids have mobilized. Adolescents stay pi55ed and they lobby folk have nothing they can threaten with. They are asking, on the most part, very reasonable questions and they aren't being shushed.
 
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leswp1 said:
Not sure how worse could happen but then no one would think we would have one of these a few times a month never mind once a yr. It has been a public health issue since I was in grad school. We were taught to screen just like for lead paint and other safety issues. Now in FLA the pedi can't ask safety questions about guns. Against the law. Yep. Really. I am so glad the kids have mobilized. Adolescents stay pi55ed and they lobby folk have nothing they can threaten with. They are asking, on the most part, very reasonable questions and they aren't being shushed.
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It could end up in more mass shooting because less of the populace is armed. And (not you) shush about me being told a narrative. It IS a possibility. You have to consider ALL possibilities before moving forward. As far as gun violence, school shootings are still rare, relatively, in relation to overall gun violence. It's why it's news and makes the headlines. Like plane crashes vs car crashes. One is more rare.
 
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unofan said:
Guns are a part of the culture. If you don't think so, go to almost any other country where guns aren't part of the culture.
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yep. I have relatives in Scotland. When the shooting happened over there there was none of this whining and BS. They looked to the greater good and fixed it. We can't even pay for research to figure out the scope of the problem (well, now that is included in the latest budget bill but for sure we will see a veto). LOoking from the outside there are no reasonable excuses for refusing to regulate in the same way we do car licenses- get educated, pass a test, get insurance. The kids all wanted to know why people tweak about that. They are all at an age where they are either getting their licenses or soon. They think it is absurd they have to work so hard to drive but they could go places and buy a gun. They figure no amount of whining they have a right to drive will get them out of it. Started spouting Constitutional arguments for why you don't have a right for a bazooka so why is a 38 different? I spent a lot of time saying, 'I don't know' on Sunday.
 
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Brenthoven said:
It could end up in more mass shooting because less of the populace is armed. And (not you) shush about me being told a narrative. It IS a possibility. You have to consider ALL possibilities before moving forward. As far as gun violence, school shootings are still rare, relatively, in relation to overall gun violence. It's why it's news and makes the headlines. Like plane crashes vs car crashes. One is more rare.
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Except I think the shootings have outnumbered the plane crashes and they are getting more common. If you look at overall cause of death in public health stats gun stuff is nuts. Has been for yrs, before it was ever political. I come at this from a public health perspective- stats when guns are around are nasty. Overall risk is significantly higher. Has been for at least 40 yrs (from when I was in undergrad), way before anyone got a bee in their bonnet about it.

Think about drunk driving. Everyone used to accept what happened as an accident. Everyone drank and drove. Now it is highly unacceptable. There are limits, tests and all sorts of consequence. It is possible to change culture. It just takes enough people saying too many are dying to overwhelm those who want to have fun despite risk to others.

And I am going to bed. Nighty night!
 
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leswp1 said:
Except I think the shootings have outnumbered the plane crashes and they are getting more common. If you look at overall cause of death in public health stats gun stuff is nuts. Has been for yrs, before it was ever political. I come at this from a public health perspective- stats when guns are around are nasty. Overall risk is significantly higher. Has been for at least 40 yrs (from when I was in undergrad), way before anyone got a bee in their bonnet about it.

Think about drunk driving. Everyone used to accept what happened as an accident. Everyone drank and drove. Now it is highly unacceptable. There are limits, tests and all sorts of consequence. It is possible to change culture. It just takes enough people saying too many are dying to overwhelm those who want to have fun despite risk to others.

And I am going to bed. Nighty night!
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Whoa whoa. I was talking about school shootings: overall gun violence in relation to plane crashes:car crashes. That ratio is vastly different. :)
 
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I complain a lot about idiotic news reporting, but I'm really grateful for NPR. Especially in times like these, when we are subject to a steady diet of childish idiocy from our prez and cable news that is designed for the incurious (and uneducated), NPR is both interesting and, for the most part, responsible. I contribute but should probably give more.
 
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Almost always a full time officer. Ours were always within 8-10 years of retirement.
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Oh, so a school cop. Who the hell came up with the stupid, non-descriptive as **** term "resource officer"? How ****ing stupid. When I was in school, we just called him Marty.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Oh, so a school cop. Who the hell came up with the stupid, non-descriptive as **** term "resource officer"? How ****ing stupid. When I was in school, we just called him Marty.
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In our town it is supposed to combine with being a friendly presence hence the PC term- Resource Officer. We don't have DARE officer anymore because we are too cheap to pay for one. We have 5-6 schools now. He is supposed to flit between them all putting out fires- dealing with everything that comes up. They can't possibly be paying him enough.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Yeah, our officer was often our DARE cop as well. Until DARE died.
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We never had DARE. I think there was some other knockoff program, but I didn't much pay attention to it. I was more worried about, you know, more important stuff, like Calculus, Chemistry and Physics.
 
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