Has UND lost in conference realignment?

[Dirty]

Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?

How can you lose when you're part of the greatest college hockey conference ever????

You really need a hug, don't you? You're a bigger sourpuss than Old Pio. Never happy about anything and grumpy about everything.

 

[Golden Tuuk]

Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?

Just saw this thread.

UND hockey has already lost a bit of it's luster. Too bad really. We talk a lot of college hockey at the local rink and there's hardly a mention of UND. I used to follow them closely, even went to the arena a couple of times. Now, I couldn't tell you who they play, what their record is, or two players on their roster. Oh well.

 

[willythekid]

Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?

Just saw this thread.

UND hockey has already lost a bit of it's luster. Too bad really. We talk a lot of college hockey at the local rink and there's hardly a mention of UND. I used to follow them closely, even went to the arena a couple of times. Now, I couldn't tell you who they play, what their record is, or two players on their roster. Oh well.

Could that be because you are a fan of a team in a different conference now? I know you think you and your rodent buddies are important but rest assured, NoDak's program will be just fine without you.

 

[burd]

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UND's status in the hockey universe began to erode when Happy began his relentless attacks about "overage Canadians" and a treeless landscape. You can laugh all you want, but once UND stops kicking other teams' azzes, those sick jokes begin to gain purchase with all those slow-witted people in places like St. Cloud, Mpls, and Madison. Throw in consistently bad officiating and you have a potentially ugly situation. Pretty soon UND will be languishing in mediocrity along with schools with only 4 or 5 banners. Hak himself can throw me in the Red if that ever happens.

 

[Tiggsy]

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You really need a hug, don't you? You're a bigger sourpuss than Old Pio. Never happy about anything and grumpy about everything.

I think taking a look at his glass pokes holes in that argument. It's all relative anyways so I'm not sure how much more excited one can be. So I think you're hoping to get that hug and hope some of that positive spin rubs off on you.

 

[ubish]

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there had even been rumors of Miami and Western Michigan being unhappy with the travel in the NCHC. .

As a WMU fan I have not heard anything about administration being unhappy with the travel in the NCHC. They knew what they were getting into when they chose to hope to be asked to join. At least we don't have to go to Alaska anymore! (even though we still did for some reason)

 

[cross cheque]

Just saw this thread.

UND hockey has already lost a bit of it's luster. Too bad really. We talk a lot of college hockey at the local rink and there's hardly a mention of UND. I used to follow them closely, even went to the arena a couple of times. Now, I couldn't tell you who they play, what their record is, or two players on their roster. Oh well.

Even during a year when UND's talent is lacking and they aren't ranked they bring in more than 10k fans per game which is more than I can say for UMTC. The "we talk a lot of college hockey at the local rink" guys that aren't mentioning UND are about as useful as a pimple on my hind quarters. Just keep "Oooh yeah there" and "Jeez" 'n your way through the season and the rest of us will actually attend our respective team's games.

 

[Bonin21]

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Throw in consistently bad officiating

I feel like this will cause the UND hockey program to fold based on how much I hear about it.

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

Even during a year when UND's talent is lacking and they aren't ranked they bring in more than 10k fans per game which is more than I can say for UMTC. The "we talk a lot of college hockey at the local rink" guys that aren't mentioning UND are about as useful as a pimple on my hind quarters. Just keep "Oooh yeah there" and "Jeez" 'n your way through the season and the rest of us will actually attend our respective team's games.

In all fairness, our arena only has a capacity of 10,000. And when you have the nation's richest TV coverage, it's splitting hairs when talking about attendance. There is good reason UMN leads the NCAA in revenue annually, regardless of attendance.

 

[Dirty]

Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?

In all fairness, our arena only has a capacity of 10,000. And when you have the nation's richest TV coverage, it's splitting hairs when talking about attendance. There is good reason UMN leads the NCAA in revenue annually, regardless of attendance.

Stealing money from the Marriucci concession stands?

 

[Tipsy McStagger]

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In all fairness, our arena only has a capacity of 10,000. And when you have the nation's richest TV coverage, it's splitting hairs when talking about attendance. There is good reason UMN leads the NCAA in revenue annually, regardless of attendance.

That isn't in all fairness because A. the revenue numbers supplied by universities are not reliable for reasons that have been discussed ad nauseum on this board and B. because you would need about 400 people to tune in on TV to make up for the revenue of 1 ticket sold (based on a $40 ticket). Considering that UND is outdrawing the Gophers on average by 2000 people per game, that would mean that 800,000 people would need to watch each Gopher game. And there is no way that many people are watching.

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

That isn't in all fairness because A. the revenue numbers supplied by universities are not reliable for reasons that have been discussed ad nauseum on this board and B. because you would need about 400 people to tune in on TV to make up for the revenue of 1 ticket sold (based on a $40 ticket). Considering that UND is outdrawing the Gophers on average by 2000 people per game, that would mean that 80,000 people would need to watch each Gopher game. And there is no way that many people are watching.

Don't really care enough to argue about this endlessly, so I will leave it at this. If you don't think the Gophers have the highest television viewership in college hockey annually (by a mile), then you are insane.

Case in point, the Gophers at Notre Dame game this year drew 182,000 viewers. Chris Peters from USoH put that into perspective.

There aren’t public numbers for every single broadcast, but last year a NBCSN game between Notre Dame and Michigan State drew 96,000. The network also aired the Irish against Michigan last year and attracted 73,000 viewers, while a Dartmouth-Vermont game drew 45,000. All a far cry from 182,000.

So this is big time. Especially if it is out-drawing NHL broadcasts (which probably doesn’t make NBCSN feel too great about those NHL games). Friday nights are not big TV nights, but that’s a big reason college hockey has found a home on so many national networks this year. It fills a void with something people may actually watch, particularly on a network they are used to seeing hockey on anyway.

The number probably has a lot to do with Minnesota’s inclusion on the broadcast. Almost all Gopher men’s hockey games are televised locally on Fox Sports North or one of its auxiliary channels. That’s a captive audience that has made this part of their Friday nights and all you have to do is get them to flip to a different channel this time. That matters.

And the school's report the revenue, and that's all we have. So unless you can prove definitively that the Gophers don't pull more revenue than any other program, I will go with the numbers we have that are reported by the schools. If anything, I think the disparity would be with the expenses reported by schools. Revenue is pretty straight forward.

Either way, like I said, I don't care enough to argue endlessly about it. Just find it odd that someone criticized Minnesota for not drawing more than 10,000 fans when our arena only has a capacity of roughly 10,000.

 

[Bertogliat]

Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?

That isn't in all fairness because A. the revenue numbers supplied by universities are not reliable for reasons that have been discussed ad nauseum on this board and B. because you would need about 400 people to tune in on TV to make up for the revenue of 1 ticket sold (based on a $40 ticket). Considering that UND is outdrawing the Gophers on average by 2000 people per game, that would mean that 80,000 people would need to watch each Gopher game. And there is no way that many people are watching.

Not a math major?

St Cloud Proud!

 

[Bertogliat]

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Let me get this straight.

They've lost their identity and mystique because they are no longer called "The Fighting Sioux"?

From my perspective, as a fan of one of their conference mates for the past 4 years, I always assumed that they derived their identity (to some degree) and their mystique (to a ginormous degree) to the fact that they are one of the most successful college hockey enterprises in annals of the NCAA in addition to winning a boatload of hockey games. They'd have the same identity and mystique if they'd always been known as the "The Fighting Cinderellas" as far as I am concerned. Don't see how what they are, or, are not called affects that in any way.

I don't see how relinquishing (they didn't "lose" it) the "Fighting Sioux" nickname hurts anything other than maybe their pride.

I also think I'd reserve any blanket judgements about the NCHC for after the conference has played a few more than 4 conference series weekends in the entirety of it's history and everybody in it has played more than 14 games, which is the most anybody in the league has played so far.

This........needs to happen.

 

[Tipsy McStagger]

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Don't really care enough to argue about this endlessly, so I will leave it at this. If you don't think the Gophers have the highest television viewership in college hockey annually (by a mile), then you are insane.

So you are not going to argue about a statement I never made? Excellent.

I don't doubt they have the highest television viewership. I do doubt that it makes them the de facto leaders in revenue.

Case in point, the Gophers at Notre Dame game this year drew 182,000 viewers. Chris Peters from USoH put that into perspective.

You are referencing viewers for a nationally televised game. That isn't the average amount of viewers, nor do the Gophers get all of the "revenue" brought in by that game. They probably don't even get 1/10th of it.

And the school's report the revenue, and that's all we have. So unless you can prove definitively that the Gophers don't pull more revenue than any other program, I will go with the numbers we have that are reported by the schools. If anything, I think the disparity would be with the expenses reported by schools. Revenue is pretty straight forward.

Of course you will go with the numbers reported by the schools, they support your argument. But the person who rounded up these numbers (might have been you if you are JDubbs/Jupiter on GPL) even discredited them by saying:

"Some notes on the numbers:
- This is just fun project I wanted to do. I can't officially tell you that the numbers are spot on. So don't complain to me about it. I am just giving you the numbers that I pulled from the website.

- I have no idea how or why many schools break EXACTLY even. Maybe they are just playing with the numbers or something. I really don't know. All I can do is just post the numbers I have.

So even the person who compiled the numbers could tell there was something fishy when 24 schools conveniently broke exactly even and Denver lost $1 operating it's hockey program. But yeah, these numbers reported by the schools are infallible.

Either way, like I said, I don't care enough to argue endlessly about it. Just find it odd that someone criticized Minnesota for not drawing more than 10,000 fans when our arena only has a capacity of roughly 10,000.

Cross cheque talked about how UND's attendance is higher than the U of M and then you try to change the subject to revenue. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you would then try to lay out your facts and refute the words you put into my mouth. Maybe that is why you end up "arguing endlessly" about some things. Food for thought.

 

[Tipsy McStagger]

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Not a math major?

St Cloud Proud!

Thanks for pointing that out. Corrected.

 

[burd]

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In all fairness, our arena only has a capacity of 10,000. .

And they can't even fill those.

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

Cross cheque talked about how UND's attendance is higher than the U of M and then you try to change the subject to revenue. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you would then try to lay out your facts and refute the words you put into my mouth. Maybe that is why you end up "arguing endlessly" about some things. Food for thought.

No, he said that the Gophers can't manage to average more than 10,000 at games. I simply pointed out the absurdity of that statement considering Mariucci only has a capacity of roughly 10,000. And anticipating the statements that always come after pointing that out to ignorant people who make such ridiculous statements, I explained that with the nation's highest viewership and nation's top revenue producing program, the UMN doesn't need a larger capacity. The went with the big ice sheet instead.

As for the school's breaking even on profit, I agree that it's fishy. Where we disagree is where the inconsistencies are. I don't put too much stock into the expenses reported as there are different ways to account for and report expenses (depreciation of assets and payment of debt, etc..). However, revenues are pretty straight forward and the Gophers always have the highest revenue.

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

And they can't even fill those.

Paid attendance is almost always at or within 100 of capacity. And until if effects the bottom line (for instance, when they stop being the nation's highest revenue producing program), I won't worry about it.

 

[burd]

Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?

Paid attendance is almost always at or within 100 of capacity. And until if effects the bottom line (for instance, when they stop being the nation's highest revenue producing program), I won't worry about it.

Pillsbury buys seats with good money, but there aren't that many good college hockey fans in town.