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Harvard Crimson 2013-2014

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"Weird or goofy or pathetic" certainly doesn't rule out a late night, beer pong-driven decision by a musician or two to start spring break in Madison; but the numbers would be crucial here: did more than a handful show up at La Bahn? Whatever.

I'm more interested in getting some of the elders/sages to comment on Blackbeard's noting and lamenting the lack of decent shooters in the league(s) ("shooting drills don't occur because D1 players are supposed to know how to shoot" ---paraphrasing BB paraphrasing a D1 player) and Trillium's comment on the Gophers' thread that "not many D1 coaches actually develop their players, probably an important competitive differentiator for Minnesota." Pretty striking comments . . .
 
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Thanks! I'd love to get to the bottom of this. .

The only thing I've found that shows them at all is the second one in this set, and they are way off in the distance. I'm not too optimistic about finding anything else.

(But if you look just above the head of Badger #7, Kelly Jaminski, you'll see three people in the top row with their white Badger hockey jerseys on; I'm the one on the aisle.)

http://www.uwbadgers.com/view.gal?id=157434
 
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A refreshing contrast to the band, with its hipster irony ("Harvard band members are to real bandsmen as Stewart and Colbert are to real newscasters") is the cheerleading squad. They are athletic, they are entertaining, and they are normal. Their website chronicles their recent anabases from JV status to full varsity status and their appearances at NCA nationals (yes, NCA, I surmise it stands for National Cheerleading Association). An excerpt from their website (note the references to "fundraising for this trip," "Kirsten Dunst," "blunt head trauma" and (rather pedantically) the correct spelling of "pon-poms"):

Harvard Cheerleading Goes to Nationals
By Alexandra J. Mihalek - April 11, 2011

When asked about my trip to Daytona Beach, Florida, where the Harvard Cheerleading team recently competed at the NCA Collegiate Cheerleading Championships, one question kept popping up—“So, that was just like Bring It On, right?”

Unfortunately, watching Kirsten Dunst and Gabriella Union do cheer battle is the only contact that many of my peers have had with the sport of cheerleading. And although I have seen that movie an absurd amount of times, as an eight-year competitive cheerleader, I can confidently say that many aspects of the blockbuster Bring It On are completely false.

Nationals was not one of those things.

Cheerleaders had truly invaded Daytona Beach, and the main boulevard was overrun with high ponytails and extreme stunting. This was what every collegiate team had worked an entire year for—the one chance to put everything out on that competition mat.

For our squad, Nationals had an extra layer of meaning. Although Harvard made it’s first appearance at NCA Nationals last year—the first Ivy League team to ever attend the competition—we were still bombarded with the classic, “Wait, Harvard has a cheerleading squad?” Nationals was a chance to show the world that Harvard had stepped onto the competitive collegiate cheerleading scene once and for all.
This goal was attained; however, it was not reached easily.
As a very young team — ten of the twenty squad members had never competed at Nationals before — stepping onto the mat amidst the flashing lights and thousands of spectators allowed nerves to get the best of our squad. While I wish this hadn’t been the case, our routine at preliminaries was far from our best performance. Between balks in tumbling to fallen stunts, we walked off of the mat disappointed. After countless hours logged in the gym and days devoted to fundraising for this trip, we hadn’t proved anything.

Somehow, in the course of a few hours, all of that changed.

After preliminaries, teams compete in the Challenge Cup to try to gain a spot in the next day’s finals. At this competition, our squad finally came out ready to wow.
The flashing lights, smoke and music acted as a prelude to Harvard cheerleading’s perfect routine. Every stunt hit and every tumbling pass was nailed—something we had not achieved in a competition yet that season. At that moment, everything was worth it. The time, the pain and the far-too-frequent blunt head traumas had all led to that feeling of success, and to the knowledge that we had helped to raise the bar for Ivy League cheerleading.

As a graduating senior who has finally retired her pon-poms (yes, that’s actually how it’s spelled), NCA Nationals was the icing on top of a very delicious cake. The Harvard cheerleading squad has cemented its role as a competitive team, and I can only imagine the great places that this new and burgeoning team will go."
 
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The only thing I've found that shows them at all is the second one in this set, and they are way off in the distance. I'm not too optimistic about finding anything else.

(But if you look just above the head of Badger #7, Kelly Jaminski, you'll see three people in the top row with their white Badger hockey jerseys on; I'm the one on the aisle.)

http://www.uwbadgers.com/view.gal?id=157434

Apart from the fact that they do use white sousaphones, even at a zoom of 400% I couldn't detect any familiar features in the photo.

But wait! Did they attempt to do the highland fling in the third period? If they didn't, that's sure proof they were imposters. It surely would have been impossible to locate a cover band of freelancers on short notice who had Scots dancing in their repertoire. And conversely.....
 
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(I wouldn't know the Harvard fight song without being told)

The band has its own lyrics for "Ten Thousand Men of Harvard" which are easily distinguished from the authorized version, first because they're in dog-Latin, and also because their second verse is unbelievably obscene (even in dog-Latin).
 
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Apart from the fact that they do use white sousaphones, even at a zoom of 400% I couldn't detect any familiar features in the photo.

But wait! Did they attempt to do the highland fling in the third period? If they didn't, that's sure proof they were imposters. It surely would have been impossible to locate a cover band of freelancers on short notice who had Scots dancing in their repertoire. And conversely.....

If they did, I didn't notice.

But remember that there were two bands, meaning they have to split time, which in turn means not all of the 'regular' songs etc can get played. For the UW band, for example, playing a song called 'The Horse', a sixties instrumental hit, is a regular thing that the crowd at men's hockey has a dance to; and 'The Horse' didn't get played Saturday night.

One other note on the 'two bands sharing time' idea. All three periods when the teams came out onto the ice, the UW band played 'On, Wisconsin'. I had expected that at least once they'd give way and let the Harvard band play. But that didn't happen.
 
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The band has its own lyrics for "Ten Thousand Men of Harvard" which are easily distinguished from the authorized version, first because they're in dog-Latin, and also because their second verse is unbelievably obscene (even in dog-Latin).

I just listened to 'Ten Thousand..." on YouTube; if they played it, I didn't notice. And if they tried to sing the vocal part, I *certainly* didn't hear that.
 
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A more interesting topic than those I've been floating:

....I'm more interested in getting some of the elders/sages to comment on Blackbeard's noting and lamenting the lack of decent shooters in the league(s) ("shooting drills don't occur because D1 players are supposed to know how to shoot" ---paraphrasing BB paraphrasing a D1 player) and Trillium's comment on the Gophers' thread that "not many D1 coaches actually develop their players, probably an important competitive differentiator for Minnesota." Pretty striking comments . . .

Pretty striking comments indeed! We know the clichés, but we need to know the facts. Cliché #1: every NHL star claims that when he and his siblings were growing up in Moose Jaw, every night they went down to the freight yards, snuck into a box car, chalked up the outline of a net on one end of the car with the four corner holes highlighted in red chalk and blazed away hour after hour until the railroad police heard the racket. But on the other hand, cliché #2: Mike Eruzione asking incredulously "do you seriously think I knew I had to wait for the Russian defenseman to screen the goalie before I shot? Do you seriously think I aimed for a corner of the net?" Chliche #3: every Olympian claims that "training for a year with the national team brought me up to a level of development I'd never believed possible in college."

Which of the foregoing clichés are accurate?
 
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I just listened to 'Ten Thousand..." on YouTube; if they played it, I didn't notice. And if they tried to sing the vocal part, I *certainly* didn't hear that.

I sincerely hope nobody has posted the band's second verse to "Ten Thousand Men" on Youtube. As Potter Stewart J said of obscenity in general, "I can't define it, but I know it when I hear it." If you had heard it, you would have known.
 
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It just occurred to me that the Dance Team deserves equal prominence with the Cheering Squad. They compete at the UDA (Universal Dance Association) nationals, and they note that "our dance styles include jazz, hip hop, pom, and lyrical among others." They appear to be an academically serious lot, with fields of concentration ranging from economics and government to molecular and cellular biology, although their website portrays them lounging in beach chairs at some undisclosed location. They are the sort of applicants that the admissions staff loves: "hey Fred, I've got a molecular and cellular biology concentrator here who looks like she can also make the cut for the dance team, at least in the hip hop and lyrical disciplines although her marks for pom are a bit marginal."

This makes me think of the legendary First Assignment at Northwestern's Medill School of Journalism. Teams of students have mock pressers with a physics professor with splendid credentials in the field of nanotechnology. Every team peppers him with questions about what little they can figure out about nanotechnology. Some, but not all, teams also think to ask "hey, what do you do in your spare time" and the answer is "I compete at the national level in salsa dancing." The lesson: if you exercise your curiosity to the fullest, you just may learn things you'd never have learned if you'd merely stuck to what the interview is "supposed" to be about.

Tapdancing geneticists, oh my.
 
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Or we could try to get to the bottom of the urban legend over at the Wisconsin thread that the Band didn't go to Madison and Drew Faust hired a group of freelance musicians to impersonate them:


Quote Originally Posted by Eeyore View Post

Apparently that was the Concordia band in disguise.
I thought you guys were just kidding around with all the 'rented band' stuff. But I just did 'google images' if the Harvard Band.

You not kidding!?! OMG, that is a whole range of things like hilarious, pathetic, insulting to ALL involved... what the what???

If by "urban legend" you mean "was told to me directly by your sports information director" at the game Saturday night.

Seriously - I walked into the press box, realized I was sitting next to the Harvard SID, made a comment about the band since you all had "hyped" them so much and was told that it wasn't actually Harvard's band (He also agreed that Harvard's band is awful).

The band on Saturday was wearing "crimson" short sleeved tshirts that said Harvard Hockey vertically down one side.
 
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But remember that there were two bands, meaning they have to split time, which in turn means not all of the 'regular' songs etc can get played.

Three bands, counting the 1950s cool jazz combo that played all 20 minutes of the first period on the video feed before the announcers showed up. You couldn't hear them in the stands, they were reserved for the high-tech video.
 
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Watson Rink, robertearle: if I include you in the elders/sages category, and I do, will you move on? :)
 
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Watson Rink, robertearle: if I include you in the elders/sages category, and I do, will you move on? :)

Glad to, your topic is of considerably greater interest to hockey fans and posters with first-hand knowledge of youth and collegiate hockey should be addressing it.
 
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Watson Rink, robertearle: if I include you in the elders/sages category, and I do, will you move on? :)

That would mean I don't get to exclaim (after tristarscoop's confirmation) 'But, good lord, WHY!?!'

(No I don't expect anyone to have a good answer, and you all - except maybe tristarscoop - don't need to try.)
 
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Glad to, your topic is of considerably greater interest to hockey fans and posters with first-hand knowledge of youth and collegiate hockey should be addressing it.

Not so fast. I'm coming hat in hand to you (and others) for responses to Blackbeard and Trillium's observations. I, who have never shot a puck in my life (they put me in goal since I couldn't skate!), am using their posts to support a maybe naive question about how such skating and passing skill as we often see in the league translates so infrequently to really shooting the puck, esp. on odd-man rushes and breakaways, when finesse and accuracy are as important as speed. I'm asking the HOCKEY elders, of whatever age, for help!

(BTW, I happen to really like the Harvard band.)
 
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Seriously - I walked into the press box, realized I was sitting next to the Harvard SID, made a comment about the band since you all had "hyped" them so much and was told that it wasn't actually Harvard's band (He also agreed that Harvard's band is awful).

The band on Saturday was wearing "crimson" short sleeved tshirts that said Harvard Hockey vertically down one side.

Hmmm... A while back someone was posting (actually boasting) that Harvard's rink would be lively during the play-offs courtesy the band. I recall watching a couple of the Yale games online and not hearing a band at all. Not sure if they were there or not.
 
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And I think a large part of your problem lies in not understanding that the actual rate of inflation is below 2%. I realize that a lot of people have been screaming that hyperinflation is coming ANY DAY NOW for a couple of decades but that doesn't mean that it's happened.

Wow! You actually believe the officially messaged numbers on the inflation rate that the government feeds you...which of course doesn't include non essentials for living in this day and age like food and gasoline! I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I can't believe you actually said that.

You might want to check what John Williams over at Shadow Stats.com has to say on the topic. He calculates the inflation rate the way it was done back in the early '80's before the US government started messaging reality and credibility out of them.

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts

Believing government messaged numbers on inflation, the definition of which has been changed many times over the years to suit their own purpose, is like believing that those who have given up looking for work are no longer considered unemployed...which the US government would also have you believe...which by definition, referring to simple English, would mean that they are employed...(thereby contributing to more attractive unemployment stats that they hope that you will be gullible enough to believe). Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?

As for your second sentence, I'm not so sure about "decades" but just because something is inevitable doesn't mean that it is imminent.
 
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