Re: Harvard Crimson 2013-2014
That has been happening more often than it should for Cornell's opponents this season.
That has been happening more often than it should for Cornell's opponents this season.
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Harvard Crimson 2013-2014
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Watson Rink
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Re: Harvard Crimson 2013-2014
Noticed Edney and Gedman paired occasionally at even strength (not ever Mastel with Rachlin) so it looks like the two upperclass D each logged more than 30 minutes. Wow!
A very very close game and amazing that the 14 skaters had enough in the tank to persevere! Maschmayer was strong and unflappable too.
Noticed Edney and Gedman paired occasionally at even strength (not ever Mastel with Rachlin) so it looks like the two upperclass D each logged more than 30 minutes. Wow!
A very very close game and amazing that the 14 skaters had enough in the tank to persevere! Maschmayer was strong and unflappable too.
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The defensive pairings were changed beginning with the Colgate game. Edney is skating with Gedman, and Mastel and Rachlin are paired. These were the pairings for the entire Cornell game, except for a single shift by Robyn White. They were also kept together for the power play and penalty kill. You are correct that Gedman and Edney logged close to 30 minutes in the Cornell game. However, it is also remarkable that the 2 freshman, Rachlin and Mastel also logged close to 30 minutes.
The defensive pairings were changed beginning with the Colgate game. Edney is skating with Gedman, and Mastel and Rachlin are paired. These were the pairings for the entire Cornell game, except for a single shift by Robyn White. They were also kept together for the power play and penalty kill. You are correct that Gedman and Edney logged close to 30 minutes in the Cornell game. However, it is also remarkable that the 2 freshman, Rachlin and Mastel also logged close to 30 minutes.
Re: Harvard Crimson 2013-2014
Count me as totally surprised by yesterday's outcome given the results from the past few weeks. Especially not having Daniels (is she injured and if so, how seriously?). They can't ask their players to be playing 30 minutes a game or they won't have anything left by March. The pros try and avoid it so I don't see how this helps the Crimson one bit. I can't believe that they haven't held some tryouts to find some players to fill out the roster. I'm sure there are some women who played hockey in high school who could give them a few minutes a game without hurting the team.
Count me as totally surprised by yesterday's outcome given the results from the past few weeks. Especially not having Daniels (is she injured and if so, how seriously?). They can't ask their players to be playing 30 minutes a game or they won't have anything left by March. The pros try and avoid it so I don't see how this helps the Crimson one bit. I can't believe that they haven't held some tryouts to find some players to fill out the roster. I'm sure there are some women who played hockey in high school who could give them a few minutes a game without hurting the team.
They don't even play all the skaters on their roster that much so why would they want to add to it. Anyone who has followed Harvard hockey knows they basically play 10 skaters with the 3rd line occasionally getting a shift.
HockeyEast33
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If they are only going to play 4 defensemen, don't they all pretty much have to play 30 minutes? Not sure why it is more remarkable for the freshmen to be doing it then the upperclassmen.
While it is unfortunate if Daniels is hurt (although not unexpected - see my post several months ago about her tendency to be injured significantly each of the last few seasons - concussions, collarbone, etc...), it would be WAY more impactful if one of the 4 D was injured. Playing 30 minutes a game at best is going to lead to exhaustion come tournament time and at worst is going to lead to a serious injury.
If they are only going to play 4 defensemen, don't they all pretty much have to play 30 minutes? Not sure why it is more remarkable for the freshmen to be doing it then the upperclassmen.
While it is unfortunate if Daniels is hurt (although not unexpected - see my post several months ago about her tendency to be injured significantly each of the last few seasons - concussions, collarbone, etc...), it would be WAY more impactful if one of the 4 D was injured. Playing 30 minutes a game at best is going to lead to exhaustion come tournament time and at worst is going to lead to a serious injury.
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D1 girls hockey is WAY past the point where a couple of unrecruited girls who played high school hockey who haven't been playing could hold their own against D1 competition and "give them some minutes". You would be setting the girls up for potentially serious injuries. It would be akin to suggesting that the Notre Dame football team find a couple of high school football players from the student body to spell the offensive line occasionally. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that Harvard even has a women's club team to draw from. Maybe they could canvas the intramural program....
D1 girls hockey is WAY past the point where a couple of unrecruited girls who played high school hockey who haven't been playing could hold their own against D1 competition and "give them some minutes". You would be setting the girls up for potentially serious injuries. It would be akin to suggesting that the Notre Dame football team find a couple of high school football players from the student body to spell the offensive line occasionally. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that Harvard even has a women's club team to draw from. Maybe they could canvas the intramural program....
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That strategy most likely did not hurt them against Cornell, cause they have the tendency to do the same.
As others have posted, this strategy tends to back fire when facing the stronger and often deeper teams come tournament time. If you want to succeed in hockey in general, you need a third line that is a good shut down line, to give the top two lines (your producing lines) a break/breather. While that third line may not show up as much on the stat line, having a good shutdown third line, can go a long way in making a team successful. Some of those players also tend to be good for the PK.
That strategy most likely did not hurt them against Cornell, cause they have the tendency to do the same.
As others have posted, this strategy tends to back fire when facing the stronger and often deeper teams come tournament time. If you want to succeed in hockey in general, you need a third line that is a good shut down line, to give the top two lines (your producing lines) a break/breather. While that third line may not show up as much on the stat line, having a good shutdown third line, can go a long way in making a team successful. Some of those players also tend to be good for the PK.
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Cornell has run three lines in basically every game I have watched (and I have watched most) since Derraugh has been coach. I have only ever seen the bench shortened for PP, PK and on occasion in a tight game.
Cornell has run three lines in basically every game I have watched (and I have watched most) since Derraugh has been coach. I have only ever seen the bench shortened for PP, PK and on occasion in a tight game.
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Because injuries are starting to eat into an already thin roster. At some point, you need bodies to go out there and play a few minutes at a time to give the players who play heavy minutes a breather now and then. I'm well aware of how Harvard uses its roster having followed the team from '98 on.
Because injuries are starting to eat into an already thin roster. At some point, you need bodies to go out there and play a few minutes at a time to give the players who play heavy minutes a breather now and then. I'm well aware of how Harvard uses its roster having followed the team from '98 on.
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Comparing Notre Dame football to women's hockey?? Really? And as a matter of fact, Harvard does have a club team. It might interest you to know that there are many athletes who come from well-respected prep programs who don't get a chance to play varsity because they were not recruited. Doesn't mean they can't play. John Murphy is a perfect example. Was a walk on for the '89 men's championship team and played a regular shift on the third line. It can be done.
D1 girls hockey is WAY past the point where a couple of unrecruited girls who played high school hockey who haven't been playing could hold their own against D1 competition and "give them some minutes". You would be setting the girls up for potentially serious injuries. It would be akin to suggesting that the Notre Dame football team find a couple of high school football players from the student body to spell the offensive line occasionally. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that Harvard even has a women's club team to draw from. Maybe they could canvas the intramural program....
Comparing Notre Dame football to women's hockey?? Really? And as a matter of fact, Harvard does have a club team. It might interest you to know that there are many athletes who come from well-respected prep programs who don't get a chance to play varsity because they were not recruited. Doesn't mean they can't play. John Murphy is a perfect example. Was a walk on for the '89 men's championship team and played a regular shift on the third line. It can be done.
Re: Harvard Crimson 2013-2014
They tried putting a club team together last year, and played a handful of games with a very limited roster, but they seem to have given it up this year. No sign of them being alive on the ACHA site. The varsity will need to make do with what they've got.
They tried putting a club team together last year, and played a handful of games with a very limited roster, but they seem to have given it up this year. No sign of them being alive on the ACHA site. The varsity will need to make do with what they've got.
HockeyEast33
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Jeez, I thought I was paying Harvard women's hockey a compliment by comparing them to Notre Dame. I'll use University of Texas-El Paso as my comparison school next time. Regardless, the point is still valid - you don't roll out unrecruited kids who haven't played serious competitive hockey in a year or more into D1 women's ice hockey unless you simply can't field a team otherwise. BTW - 1989 is a LONG way from 2014 in men's or women's hockey. Ask the 20 year old freshmen that regularly populate men's teams that largely didn't exist in 1989.
I looked in the ACHA league list and couldn't find a Harvard women's club team. I did just find their deeply buried webpage finally at Harvard recreation. They don't play in the ACHA and played 6 games this season. Not exactly fertile ground for rostering D1 qualified players. The three players listed (page claims 20 on the roster but no list was visible) were all MA Public HS players, not prep school, and I have seen them play (by all accounts all nice kids). Again, unlikely to be able to give the team some minutes unless you're looking to give up goals in those minutes.....
Jeez, I thought I was paying Harvard women's hockey a compliment by comparing them to Notre Dame. I'll use University of Texas-El Paso as my comparison school next time. Regardless, the point is still valid - you don't roll out unrecruited kids who haven't played serious competitive hockey in a year or more into D1 women's ice hockey unless you simply can't field a team otherwise. BTW - 1989 is a LONG way from 2014 in men's or women's hockey. Ask the 20 year old freshmen that regularly populate men's teams that largely didn't exist in 1989.
I looked in the ACHA league list and couldn't find a Harvard women's club team. I did just find their deeply buried webpage finally at Harvard recreation. They don't play in the ACHA and played 6 games this season. Not exactly fertile ground for rostering D1 qualified players. The three players listed (page claims 20 on the roster but no list was visible) were all MA Public HS players, not prep school, and I have seen them play (by all accounts all nice kids). Again, unlikely to be able to give the team some minutes unless you're looking to give up goals in those minutes.....
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I would say that that speaks quite a bit to coaching philosophy and confidence in particular players, doesn't it?
I would say that that speaks quite a bit to coaching philosophy and confidence in particular players, doesn't it?
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Or maybe to a coaches ambitions! Maybe interm head coach Crowell is not looking to return as a assistant coach and is trying to land a head coaching position at another school at the end of the year. You would think that when Harvard is playing against teams that seem to be clearly not as strong as Harvard that the coaching staff would use the players, other than the first 2 lines, on a more regular shift, which also includes the goaltender. Clearly there has been games in which these players could see more ice time than normal. Though it work out well for the team this past weekend, I was surprised the coaching staff played the same goalie in both games and would of thought they could of rested Maschmeyer in Fridays game against Colgate and played her in the Cornell game. From what I have witnessed in the past, come the end of the regular season and playoff time, the Harvard team has been tired. It will be intersting to see how it all works out in the end for both Crowell and the Harvard team.
Or maybe to a coaches ambitions! Maybe interm head coach Crowell is not looking to return as a assistant coach and is trying to land a head coaching position at another school at the end of the year. You would think that when Harvard is playing against teams that seem to be clearly not as strong as Harvard that the coaching staff would use the players, other than the first 2 lines, on a more regular shift, which also includes the goaltender. Clearly there has been games in which these players could see more ice time than normal. Though it work out well for the team this past weekend, I was surprised the coaching staff played the same goalie in both games and would of thought they could of rested Maschmeyer in Fridays game against Colgate and played her in the Cornell game. From what I have witnessed in the past, come the end of the regular season and playoff time, the Harvard team has been tired. It will be intersting to see how it all works out in the end for both Crowell and the Harvard team.
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1989 is a much longer way for Women's hockey than it is for men. That was prior to the First ever world championships. The depth in the game and the participation numbers have grown exponentially since that time.
1989 is a much longer way for Women's hockey than it is for men. That was prior to the First ever world championships. The depth in the game and the participation numbers have grown exponentially since that time.
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Feels like a parent talking. Just saying. Players in female hockey don't have the same level of contact. Goalies have lots of rest. 2 games a week is nothing compared to Junior guys (4 games a week) and can be the same goalie for all (regardless of school). I have taken lots of female teams to tournaments with 10 skaters (lost some to injury) and still can have lots of success. Tired, too much, can't do it is all a frame of mind. I've coached a girl in which I had 3 D and kept her on the ice the whole game, she never complained (and now talks plenty about it - positively), she had 1 penalty (so 2 minutes of rest), but really, when it comes down to it, it's about who has the internal horses to get it done!!! As a coach, I've taken only 1 goalie into tournaments before and we ended up playing 7 full games in 3 days and won those tourney's. She never complained and in fact her parents and her both wanted the situation to play all. Kesler, Howe, Raty all have played entire seasons. What is this person talking about????
Feels like a parent talking. Just saying. Players in female hockey don't have the same level of contact. Goalies have lots of rest. 2 games a week is nothing compared to Junior guys (4 games a week) and can be the same goalie for all (regardless of school). I have taken lots of female teams to tournaments with 10 skaters (lost some to injury) and still can have lots of success. Tired, too much, can't do it is all a frame of mind. I've coached a girl in which I had 3 D and kept her on the ice the whole game, she never complained (and now talks plenty about it - positively), she had 1 penalty (so 2 minutes of rest), but really, when it comes down to it, it's about who has the internal horses to get it done!!! As a coach, I've taken only 1 goalie into tournaments before and we ended up playing 7 full games in 3 days and won those tourney's. She never complained and in fact her parents and her both wanted the situation to play all. Kesler, Howe, Raty all have played entire seasons. What is this person talking about????
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While that may be true for Minor hockey and tournaments, this is D1 college, a different kettle of fish. The pace of the game is much harder, the level of competition more balanced. Other poster was right, that in recent History, Harvard has not managed to get it done when it counts down the stretch, or against tougher competition in recent years. I think their fortunes this year are very dependent on great goal tending. While that might be the right ingredient to win many games, it can also set you up for failure based on an off game by one player at the wrong time.
While that may be true for Minor hockey and tournaments, this is D1 college, a different kettle of fish. The pace of the game is much harder, the level of competition more balanced. Other poster was right, that in recent History, Harvard has not managed to get it done when it counts down the stretch, or against tougher competition in recent years. I think their fortunes this year are very dependent on great goal tending. While that might be the right ingredient to win many games, it can also set you up for failure based on an off game by one player at the wrong time.
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clarksoncluck, unfortunately for me no kids ("Just Saying"). Some nieces and nephews who might be so lucky to play at any D1 school, never mind Harvard. I don't disagree with you that maybe for the teams you have coached at a youth club level, with 10 or less players and just one goalie, might possibly do well in a tournament that has 7 games in 3 days and in which each of those games last at best 1 hour each. And out of those 7 games you play maybe 2/3 games against teams your 10 players and 1 goalie didn't even break a sweat against. Yes, very possible. But, this is not youth club hockey we are talking about, this is D1 college hockey (men or women). These athletes are on the go 7 days a week in season. These kids put in more hours each week then possibly the two of us combined at our jobs. These student athletes go to classes, do their homework, study for exams, go to practice, go to team meetings, weight train, and play in at least 2 games if not more a week and are traveling most of the time. I'm almost positive if you ask any player they will tell you they are tired long before game day comes. So is it my opinion that any D1 player that is on a team that skates 10 kids and 1 goalie throughout most of the season is tired regardless if it's the beginning, middle, end, or in the playoffs......YES! But again it's just my opinion, a former D1 player. Yes, I also was tired and we had 4 lines. That's what this person is talking about!
clarksoncluck, unfortunately for me no kids ("Just Saying"). Some nieces and nephews who might be so lucky to play at any D1 school, never mind Harvard. I don't disagree with you that maybe for the teams you have coached at a youth club level, with 10 or less players and just one goalie, might possibly do well in a tournament that has 7 games in 3 days and in which each of those games last at best 1 hour each. And out of those 7 games you play maybe 2/3 games against teams your 10 players and 1 goalie didn't even break a sweat against. Yes, very possible. But, this is not youth club hockey we are talking about, this is D1 college hockey (men or women). These athletes are on the go 7 days a week in season. These kids put in more hours each week then possibly the two of us combined at our jobs. These student athletes go to classes, do their homework, study for exams, go to practice, go to team meetings, weight train, and play in at least 2 games if not more a week and are traveling most of the time. I'm almost positive if you ask any player they will tell you they are tired long before game day comes. So is it my opinion that any D1 player that is on a team that skates 10 kids and 1 goalie throughout most of the season is tired regardless if it's the beginning, middle, end, or in the playoffs......YES! But again it's just my opinion, a former D1 player. Yes, I also was tired and we had 4 lines. That's what this person is talking about!