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Harvard Crimson 2012-2013

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Mazz was asked to leave; that is a fact.

10-18-3, and another stellar season for Harvard Hockey.

Who has the worst losing streak? H/Yale The Game? Army/Navy football? Harvard Hockey against itself? I guess it all depends what you are a fan of.

Let's hope Vesey returns.
 
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eaglehockeyrules said:
Let's hope Vesey returns.
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Let's hope Vesey looks at the track records of guys who stayed all four years vs. guys who left one. If he needs help, I can send him tape of all of Leblanc's NHL games this year. Somebody with league pass and an actual recording machine will have to take care of Killorn.

Since we're discussing coaching departures...Jack Parker, eh? Supposedly announcing his retirement tomorrow.

Also more connected alums than I...the scheduling thread said we might be playing the Elis at Madison Sq. Garden next year? Anyone heard that rumor from any other sources yet? Always happy to cheer against a team in blue at MSG...can wear my Devils hat w/ my Harvard gear and support Kerfoot. I'd buy tickets the day that were announced if it were true.
 
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Nice comeback at the end of the season, alot of other teams would have fallen apart completely. What is the prognosis on the suspended players actually returning to Harvard? Or does Harvard just reset and offer four more positions?
 
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LTsatch said:
Nice comeback at the end of the season, alot of other teams would have fallen apart completely. What is the prognosis on the suspended players actually returning to Harvard? Or does Harvard just reset and offer four more positions?
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Presume they are coming back until we hear differently is my strategy.
 
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My understanding is that if they did not leave they would lose a year of eligibility. This gets worse every day; see page 3A of today's NYT; it will make you sick.
 
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Link.

Why a reputedly intelligent employee of an academic institution feels entitled to any privacy at all on his employer-provided email accounts is beyond me. I certainly have no such expectation on my work accounts.
 
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There is some strong disagreement among faculty and the administration whether resident deans are faculty or employees. Faculty enjoys more email. privacy rights than employees. But, as the NYT article points out: "The faculty policy states that while the administration can search a Harvard faculty e-mail account as part of an internal investigation, it must notify the faculty member beforehand or soon after. In this case, the notification followed after about six months."
 
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H60Hockey said:
There is some strong disagreement among faculty and the administration whether resident deans are faculty or employees. Faculty enjoys more email. privacy rights than employees. But, as the NYT article points out: "The faculty policy states that while the administration can search a Harvard faculty e-mail account as part of an internal investigation, it must notify the faculty member beforehand or soon after. In this case, the notification followed after about six months."
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This keeps getting worse and worse. I took a course from Harry Lewis and knew his wife (she was my house tutor) from way back when. They are great people. I don't know how this got so out of control but it has put a stain on the University that will take years to remove. The damage to students, faculty and deans will be felt for a long time. Here's hoping Drew Faust provides some leadership and calls for a 'town hall' style meeting with all concerned to rectify this wrong and make good on what has become a national embarrassment. Something has to happen and fast.
 
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Casey said:
And Ivy teams have been plenty competitive against the other three top conferences. Harvard last season was 2-2-1 against Hockey East and was very competitive at North Dakota. Even with this year's struggles, the Crimson has a road win and a road tie against Hockey East and has arguably been more competitive against HE teams than ECAC teams. Yale, meanwhile, is 3-0-1 against HE and WCHA teams and Cornell is 4-1-0 against teams from the other three big conferences that aren't Denver. Dartmouth and Princeton have done fine, and Brown has struggled in limited chances.QUOTE]

I'd maybe put Brown in the 'have done fine' category with Dartmouth and Princeton when we play HE. Although we got slapped by Providence in the Mayor's Cup game this year - our most recent results are:

UNH 5-5 Tie
BU 4-4 Tie
Providence 4-4 Tie
BU 6-1 Win

Not great, but we hung in there.
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That was a tough, tough season. Some stream of consciousness rambling:
-One bit of good news is three of the four best forwards this year were freshmen.
-Biega's numbers weren't there but he was still maybe the Crimson's best player. Huge loss.
-I don't understand O'Regan's usage. He was put on lines with checking guys for much of the year, which doesn't best exploit his passing ability.
-The seniors' offensive numbers were pretty much disappointing. Morrison mustered 17 shots in 22 conference games. Still, 38% of ECAC goals are walking out the door.
-I have no idea how a powerplay with Biega, Vesey, Fallstrom, Everson, Hart, et al. can look so anaemic. And it wasn't just bad bounces--they were full value for the 10% success rate. Trouble gaining the zone, and no movement once they got there.
-The defence is a huge question mark for next year, even assuming McNally comes back. Besides him, only Ford really looked good this year. There'll be ample opportunity for the four incoming freshmen to earn time.
-The team got pinned in their own zone way too often, and it pretty much happened to every line/defence pairing. I don't know the solution, although I suspect it starts with better passing once possession is gained.
-Donato seems totally down with putting the fourth line out for offensive zone faceoffs, even when trailing. It's baffling.
 
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The Very Early 2013-14 Season post:

Schedule:

11/01: Union (H)
11/02: RPI (H)
11/08: Clarkson (H)
11/09: St. Lawrence (H) - oh good, 4 straight against teams that have been playing a month already. Thanks ECAC!
11/15: Quinnipiac (A) - make that 5 straight
11/16: Princeton (A)
12/06: Brown (A)
12/07: Yale (A)
01/17: Cornell (H)
01/18: Colgate (H)
01/24: Union (A)
01/25: RPI (A)
01/31: Princeton (H)
02/03: Northeastern (N)
02/10: Boston College/Boston University (N) - interesting, no game currently scheduled for between the Beanpot - though maybe Dartmouth slots in here
02/14: Clarkson (A)
02/15: St. Lawrence (A)
02/21: Yale (H)
02/22: Brown (H) (Senior Night)
02/28: Colgate (A)
03/01: Cornell (A) (:eek:)

Heisenberg 2013-14 commits:
Defenseman
Clay Anderson-LD
Victor Newell-LD
Forwards
Seb Lloyd-RW
Luke Esposito-RW
Alex Kerfoot-C
Sean Malone-C
Philip Zielonka-LW
Devin Tringale-LW
 
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So let's speculate on the lineup assuming the following:
1) No one leaves early (Vesey)
2) All are back from chating scandal (McNally)

Top 12 forwards:
Kerfoot
Zielonka
Malone
Blackwell
Vesey
Hart
Criscuolo
O'Regan
Gozzo
Lloyd
Esposito
Tringale

Top 6 Defenseman
Newell
Ford
McNally
Fick
Bergin
Everson
 
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eaglehockeyrules said:
Mazz was asked to leave; that is a fact.

10-18-3, and another stellar season for Harvard Hockey.

Who has the worst losing streak? H/Yale The Game? Army/Navy football? Harvard Hockey against itself? I guess it all depends what you are a fan of.

Let's hope Vesey returns.
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Sent this note this morning:

Dear Mr. Scalise:

Tim Murphy. Katey Stone. Tommy Amaker. Mike Shafer. Keith Allain. Jerry York. Jack Parker.

Ted Donato?

Credit where credit is due. Ted Donato is a Harvard hockey hero. I watched him during and just after I attended Harvard. By all accounts he’s a great guy.

But compared to his colleagues and his peers at rival schools, Ted Donato is in a class by himself. With rare exceptions, year in and year out, these other coaches field highly competitive teams that give their fans something to get excited about. Not infrequently, they win championships. For the Harvard men’s hockey program, mediocrity is a good year. It’s getting embarrassing. In the Beanpot semi-finals, Harvard has been outscored nearly 20-1 over the past four years.

They had a nice run last year – I loved going to Atlantic City – but they were dominated by Union, outshot by 2-1. Last year was an anomaly. Even then, Harvard was one overtime goal away of not getting out of the ECAC quarter finals. They had a once-in-a-decade forward in Alex Killorn, who carried the team on his shoulders. Without him, they never would have finished in the top four.

If wins and losses over several years mean anything, and they do to fans, parents and players as they do in life, there is no argument left to keep this coach, unless you believe that it’s uncouth to fire an Ivy League coach despite dismal performance, an argument that I believe most people in the Harvard hockey community reject. That argument is above all unfair to the players, many of whom come in as NHL draft choices but leave without realizing their potential. They deserve better.

Tommy Ammaker proved this year that off-the-ice problems should have been no excuse for failure. Harvard Men’s Hockey didn’t have an abysmal season this year because they were three players away from being a highly competitive team. They were well-developed 8-10 players short of that.

Harvard hockey has been dysfunctional since the 1990s. Mazzoleni delivered two championship teams and handed over a team to Donato that won a championship the next year. He got ran off the reservation for his troubles. But even some of his teams had miserable regular seasons before kicking into high gear around playoff time.

Harvard has a great hockey platform. Ted Donato can’t get his teams on the ground. Finishing dead last in the ECAC has to be the last straw. There’s no reason why Harvard can’t use that platform to attract a first-rate coach who delivers a team that is at least competitive and fun to watch year in and year out. That coach is not Ted Donato. An amicable parting of ways with a Harvard hockey hero is in order. Anything less would be a disservice to us long-suffering fans and anyone who truly cares about Harvard hockey.

Sincerely,

Bruce Corwin
 
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Great! Another bed wetter who loves pointing the finger, but offers no solution.
 
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bothman said:
Great! Another bed wetter who loves pointing the finger, but offers no solution.
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Sure there's a solution, one that should be should be obvious to anyone who's looks at the forest rather than the trees: Bring in a proven winner of a coach on par with those of our closest rivals in hockey and the caliber of coaches at the other major spectator sports at Harvard. I'm not an expert on who that might be but I'm sure Scalise can find some candidates whose qualifications far exceed those of the status quo.
 
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4faz said:
Sure there's a solution, one that should be should be obvious to anyone who's looks at the forest rather than the trees: Bring in a proven winner of a coach on par with those of our closest rivals in hockey and the caliber of coaches at the other major spectator sports at Harvard. I'm not an expert on who that might be but I'm sure Scalise can find some candidates whose qualifications far exceed those of the status quo.
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You are still offering no solutions (maybe a specific name of a coach or two who would be interested in Harvard??), but are very well-versed in throwing tomatoes from the cheap seats.

Adam Sinclair commited to Harvard. He's a very heralded '97 and compared to Johnny Gaudreau.
 
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4faz said:
Sure there's a solution, one that should be should be obvious to anyone who's looks at the forest rather than the trees: Bring in a proven winner of a coach on par with those of our closest rivals in hockey and the caliber of coaches at the other major spectator sports at Harvard. I'm not an expert on who that might be but I'm sure Scalise can find some candidates whose qualifications far exceed those of the status quo.
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When did Cleary leave as HC?

Since that time what has Mazz or Donato done?

I look at how often the teams have made the top-10 rankings, how often do they qualify for the national tournament? How well have they done in the ECAC year in and year out? How many Beanpots or how often do they even make the Beanpot Final?

I think you're correct but I guess fans or followers of Harvard like Bothman think otherwise. I understand recruiting is different when financial aid and academic standards are different from other conferences but how did Bill Cleary do it then?
 
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